2 open doors

2/19/2012 5:53:08 PM

When i was in high school, i made this one girl open doors for me anytime she was nearby. I saw her recently and she said "Hey do you still not open doors? i met someone in college and they made me think of you"

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2/19/2012 5:55:32 PM

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"2) Has it ever occurred to you that maybe a lot of those cocky young guys (and women -- way to stereotype) actually are smarter than everyone else?"

sorry, but there are a lot of stupid engineers. probably a majority of them, depending on how you measure intelligence. this is coming from an engineer.

2/19/2012 6:11:01 PM

2/19/2012 6:17:01 PM

Let's all just agree that whomever reaches the door first opens it. Getting angry with someone for holding the door is stupid.

I will say, though, that guys down here are more likely to do things like rush to open doors for you or let you exit the elevator first. I didn't really encounter that when I was up north. It's just a cultural difference, not that guys legitimately think you can't open your own door. [duh]

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"I feel like women getting paid less for the same work is a more important issue. But I guess she doesn't care about money."

Within the same field, most women are compensated more equally (something like 90%+ of what men make). You always hear that "75% of what men make" number when you're talking about all jobs men and women perform, but women choose a greater number of lower-income jobs (things like teaching, etc). What is lacking, I'd say, is the ability for upward development: there are only something like 2% women CEOs despite that women make up half the workforce.

[Edited on February 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM. Reason : ,]

2/19/2012 7:18:58 PM

Well, maybe if they'd put in some overtime instead of taking all that time off for having babies and such. . .

2/19/2012 8:06:22 PM

and stop running to the bathroom just because their tampon is full of blood and whatever else comes out

2/19/2012 8:28:37 PM

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"what a dyke"

2/19/2012 8:49:40 PM

^^Truly the oldest excuse in the book. I just call it lazy.

2/19/2012 8:55:33 PM

Someone once told me "If you find yourself working with tons of women you have failed"

lulz



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2/19/2012 8:59:09 PM

I don't understand man-hating... or getting defensive and feeling "oppressed" because someone performed an action that was taught to them as simply being polite & the right thing to do... it's a foreign concept to some - but it really isn't just all about you (although you, in this area, may very well be the one that looks like a cold hearted bitch that needs both a laxative & possibly an orgasm).

If a man intentionally beats me to a door to open it for me, I DO - indeed - feel respected. I do not, however, feel the need to get my panties in a wad and cry because my rights as a human being, or my place in the 21st century, has been crushed because of this gesture.

I am a Southern, strong, passionate, independent, happy, joyful woman - who also has a brain - attempting to lead a life well lived... My door is not being opened because I am unable... and should a gentleman feel the need to open my door, I will thank him - and quite possibly feel appreciative that he thought enough of me as a human being to gesture this small token.

So yes, I do find the writer of that article's 'truth' to be ridiculous.

2/19/2012 9:06:36 PM

Pic related it's the author when someone opens a door for her.

2/19/2012 9:10:17 PM

Dennis, there's some lovely slop down here!

2/19/2012 9:17:33 PM

Joie and d7freestyler in the year 2037


[Edited on February 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2012 9:41:43 PM

Two pages of NO BOLD.

Didn't read any of it.

2/19/2012 10:41:33 PM

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"Please to cite your source. Also, the CEOs with engineering degrees aren't fucking engineers anymore. They made a jump into management."

http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/S&P%20500%20CEOs.htm#LinkTarget_3404 . 23% to 12% for S&P 500 CEOs. And what do you think older engineers do? In lots of fields the high achievers eventually get pushed into management. Doesn't change the fact that they're still engineers. Would you tell Ralph Lauren he's not a designer any more because he's a CEO now?

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"sorry, but there are a lot of stupid engineers. "

I don't dispute that. I was just making the point that many of the cocky ones got that way b/c they were the smartest/most knowledgeable person in the room for a long time.

2/20/2012 9:38:15 AM

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"Would you tell Ralph Lauren he's not a designer any more because he's a CEO now?"

Yes.

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"many of the cocky ones got that way b/c they were the smartest/most knowledgeable person in the room for a long time."

not hard to do if you hail from Retardsville, North Carolina
what I'm saying is that they need to grow up a little bit

I'm not hating on engineers - just the fucking toolbags (now available in all disciplines)

[Edited on February 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM. Reason : -]

2/20/2012 9:45:11 AM

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"I was just making the point that many of the cocky ones got that way b/c they were the smartest/most knowledgeable person in the room for a long time."

There's actually research that shows incompetent people over-estimate their abilities much more often than competent people.

http://www.damninteresting.com/unskilled-and-unaware-of-it/

2/20/2012 9:57:19 AM

Eh, that's talking about people that *think* they're smart with no objective viewpoint to back it up. I was thinking of more objective metrics where kids take EOG/SAT/IQ/etc tests and score in the 99th percentile. They don't just think to themselves that they're smart, they've been told as much.

And I'm not going to argue about standardized testing and intelligence measures. Those are generally accepted measures of one person being "smarter" than another today (whether that's fair or not is another discussion entirely).

2/20/2012 10:11:22 AM

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"Within the same field, most women are compensated more equally (something like 90%+ of what men make). You always hear that "75% of what men make" number when you're talking about all jobs men and women perform, but women choose a greater number of lower-income jobs (things like teaching, etc). What is lacking, I'd say, is the ability for upward development: there are only something like 2% women CEOs despite that women make up half the workforce."

Finally someone who can acknowledge the truth. Additionally, women are underrepresented but that is largely due to the age of CEOs. They average around 55, which means they graduated college in the mid to late 70s. The workforce wasn't as equally distributed then and definitely not by profession. I do hope in time we will see this change.

Also what ^ said.

2/20/2012 10:40:19 AM

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"Eh, that's talking about people that *think* they're smart with no objective viewpoint to back it up. I was thinking of more objective metrics where kids take EOG/SAT/IQ/etc tests and score in the 99th percentile. They don't just think to themselves that they're smart, they've been told as much. "

How does this contribute to your argument? Everyone gets into NCSU as an unmatriculated student. An English major is no different than an engineer by this standard.

Book smart does not equal intelligent.

2/20/2012 11:11:52 AM

Its like thepeter owns a microbrewery up in here

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2/20/2012 11:23:31 AM

^^ You do understand that some score better than others on these tests and that they are largely focused on problem solving abilities rather than book knowledge (e.g. who was the 14th president of the united states). Thus they are reasonable measures of intelligence.

Additionally, although not matriculated, engineers can enter NCSU in the college of engineering rather than first year college, allowing them to take engineering classes for which they meet the requirements and largely differentiating their courses from those taken by non-engineers.

2/20/2012 11:36:23 AM

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"You do understand that some score better than others on these tests and that they are largely focused on problem solving abilities rather than book knowledge (e.g. who was the 14th president of the united states). Thus they are reasonable measures of intelligence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences#The_multiple_intelligences

2/20/2012 11:40:41 AM

man, this turned into a p33n-length contest pretty quickly.

2/20/2012 11:42:51 AM

fresh out of high school I started NCSU as a sophomore in the English department
but I'm not as smart as an engineer because I am in the Humanities, right?

these confident young students are most likely suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect... but that's also not to be valued because it is psychology

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201006/when-ignorance-begets-confidence-the-classic-dunning-kruger-effect

2/20/2012 11:45:06 AM

in this video a brilliant engineer destroys the "theory" of evolution with a jar of peanut butter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504

2/20/2012 11:49:24 AM

You're just trolling now. We were talking about cocky engineers in specific. My whole point was to make people think before writing someone off for being cocky. But do whatever you like.

2/20/2012 11:49:47 AM

I was always trolling

this is my favorite trolling

2/20/2012 11:52:55 AM

regardless of my stupid arguing, there's a lot to be said for humility

arrogance is so gauche

2/20/2012 11:59:05 AM

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"these confident young students are most likely suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect... but that's also not to be valued because it is psychology"

No, most engineers are good at math and spacial spatial logic. The problem is that they can't see the merit in branching out to other disciplines. This is illustrated by the "why do i have to learn 'x', when it doesn't apply to engineering?" attitude.

Every major has this type of person.

[Edited on February 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : lol]

2/20/2012 11:59:41 AM

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"spacial logic"

is that like special logic?

2/20/2012 12:00:43 PM

2/20/2012 12:01:39 PM

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"What is lacking, I'd say, is the ability for upward development: there are only something like 2% women CEOs despite that women make up half the workforce."

Lack of women CEOs isn't evidence of lack of upward mobility any more than it is evidence that women lack the same ambition men do.

2/20/2012 12:06:16 PM