watched the USA Today link in the OP, it started with an ad about the Chevy Volt

what a POS car that is

2/27/2012 1:50:50 PM

i think the sign has yesterdays date on it

the name of the high school

and Omegle as in http://omegle.com/

initials R.F.

no one saw that and thought it was red flag? wtf

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM. Reason : v]

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM. Reason : f]

2/27/2012 1:53:50 PM

he posted the pic sometime in the last few days, nobody took it to be a serious threat (oops...)

the sign says:

Quote :

"02-24-12 [Chardon] High School massacre Omegle Initials = R.F."

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM. Reason : ^ yeah that]

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM. Reason : \/ and that]

2/27/2012 1:55:59 PM

I thought it said Massacre underneath

2/27/2012 2:01:08 PM

i could see it started with "m" but i couldn't make out the rest

but that makes sense

2/27/2012 2:02:06 PM

what a little prick

2/27/2012 2:02:56 PM

Quote :

"[Updated at 2:13 p.m. ET] A fatally wounded student was identified by the hospital that treated him as Daniel Parmertor. "We are shocked by this senseless tragedy," Parmertor's family said in a statement released by MetroHealth Medical Center. "Danny was a bright young boy who had a bright future ahead of him. The family is torn by this loss. We ask that you respect our privacy during this difficult time.""

2/27/2012 2:46:10 PM

I am so glad I went to school during a time when the biggest fear was what to do if a stranger offered me drugs.

Parenting these days, smh

2/27/2012 2:49:18 PM

^

Columbine was in 1999

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM. Reason : a]

2/27/2012 3:05:40 PM

blame vidya games!

Seriously though this is always sad news. Hate it for the families of the victims

2/27/2012 3:12:13 PM

hahahahahaha no shit? Why do I feel like I was graduated before then?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

2/27/2012 3:24:51 PM

figures it was revenge for being bullied.

2/27/2012 4:18:25 PM

Quote :

"[Updated 1:19 p.m. ET] A student who hid in a classroom at Chardon High School said that T.J. Lane, the suspect in Monday's shooting, "was a nice guy" who he never suspected would shoot anyone. “He just came from a really broken down home and he was living with his grandparents," Evan Erasmus, a senior at the school told CNN. "He was more of a quiet type of kid. He was really nice, though, if you did talk to him.” Erasmus said that Lane and some of the victims "used to be friends" but more in middle school and early high school."

2/27/2012 4:27:12 PM

SaabTurbo?


[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM. Reason : pic]

2/27/2012 4:49:10 PM

this shit would never happen if they would let kids carry guns at school.

2/27/2012 5:43:04 PM

more like ZiP

2/27/2012 6:05:35 PM

I think students need ot be trained to bum rush the shooter from all sides.

1 or 2 will get hit (which would have happened anyway), but the rest get to beat the ever living shit out of the shooter.

2/27/2012 6:09:22 PM

You first

2/27/2012 6:28:49 PM

Someone mentioned bullying earlier and I think that goes to the root cause of this incident.
All of these school shooters have that as a common link.
Bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye in schools. Kids are coddled and told everything they do is great by adults, but kids are honest and cruel. Because of this constant "Pussification" of this nations kids they don't develop the skills (thick skin) to deal with any sort of criticism. Eventually these kids reach a breaking point and go on a rampage.guns are used because they are easy to get. If there were no guns they would use something else.

2/27/2012 6:48:20 PM

Did all the other kids with the pumped up kicks run? Run? Outrun his gun?

2/27/2012 7:03:29 PM

^ i HATE that song

2/27/2012 7:34:53 PM

Shool shooters should get deported to IRAN via air drop with parachute, but dropped naked with their hair died pink.

2/27/2012 9:29:16 PM

I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye. It is simply a very difficult problem to address, and really requires a huge support system to prevent. I mean, a certain amount of tension in inherent in child relationships. Hell, it's part of adult relationships. For teachers and administrators to step in when every insult or comment of any kind is made is unrealistic, but often it's the accumulation of these little things which cause problems.

You also have some people who are tougher skinned than others, and some people who are nicer than others. It's a continuum, which makes zero tolerance policies very hard to apply. I worked hard when I was teaching to address issues immediately, but given the amount of time that students spend away from the teachers, it's really hard to deal with.

2/27/2012 10:21:44 PM

"So there was a school shooting today!"
-actual segue from an actual NCSU professor today

Quote :

"I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye."

Things might be different today, but when I was in middle- and high-school, bullying was ABSOLUTELY tolerated by the faculty and staff. I wasn't a victim of any sort of bullying--I'm way too big for that shit--but scrawnier kids, gay kids, and what have you were mercilessly bullied with full knowledge of the school system staff.

2/27/2012 10:40:51 PM

He only shot 5 people and didn't even save a bullet for himself? What an amateur. Kid should have taken notes from than honky in Norway.

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 11:21 PM. Reason : He looks about 15 though, so he'll be out of jail with a clean record in 10 years or so.]

2/27/2012 11:19:40 PM

So we all agree that bullying has always happened. Is it worse today than 10 or 20 years ago? I don't think so.
Or, are there no places for bullied kids to turn to? I had my parents and other family. What did this kid have.

2/27/2012 11:21:37 PM

Bizarre stuff -- I grew up in Solon OH (NE ohio suburb) which is a short drive away. Im not going to get all sentimental or anything as I'm old and knew no one at Chardon, but still a little freaky deaky.

2/27/2012 11:22:12 PM

I've often wondered how many people I could kill if I were to go on a school shooting.

Like really planned it out.

I'd probably try and find a building with the least amount of exits and chain them shut.

Then go from room to room.

If armed correctly, and there was no firearm resistance from inside the building.

I'd think I could pick off at least 20, maybe 30.

Unless we had some leakage out the windows and some potential victims escaped.

2/27/2012 11:22:21 PM

2/27/2012 11:24:59 PM

There was bullying in my school. Even in front of the teachers. I remember these kids were mooing at a really big girl and she ran off crying. The teacher started screaming and yelling about anti-bullying stuff. The kids just laughed at him.

She later died of a drug overdose. The teacher got fired for throwing a chair.

I remember after he gave his speech the kids did all sorts of shit, he was a science teacher. They threw condoms down his sink, separated the board the kept the male and female mice apart, threw out the experiment crap. It was trouble.

I was bullied because I was the new kid in the school but I quickly learned to deal with it by not reacting to it, they realized it wasn't fun and went to others who would get riled up. Not a hard concept and certainly no reason to get a gun. These kids need coping skills and a swift kick in the ass by some parents.

2/27/2012 11:25:51 PM

What is bizzarre or freaky deaky about someone shooting people? It happens all the time in one of the most violent nations on the planet that we live in.

2/27/2012 11:26:34 PM

What's even more bizarre is that it seems to always be white kids who go on these school shootings.

2/27/2012 11:28:22 PM

I wouldn't survive public education if I had to go back and do it again.

2/27/2012 11:28:32 PM

Thats because they don't call it a school shooting when black kids get shot. They call it gang violence.

2/27/2012 11:32:40 PM

True.

And they have their drive bys

2/27/2012 11:34:24 PM

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .,]

2/27/2012 11:35:42 PM

Apparently, IHOP is doing everything they can to help the people of Ohio through this terrible tragedy.

2/28/2012 1:21:27 PM

Every little bit helps

2/28/2012 1:26:35 PM

Quote :

"Things might be different today, but when I was in middle- and high-school, bullying was ABSOLUTELY tolerated by the faculty and staff. I wasn't a victim of any sort of bullying--I'm way too big for that shit--but scrawnier kids, gay kids, and what have you were mercilessly bullied with full knowledge of the school system staff."

i agree - halfway through elementary school i changed schools (from private to public) and i was picked on/bullied by some of my peers. no one seemed to care - not even the faculty or teachers. of course mine was never to the point where i contemplated suicide or bringing a gun to school but talking about bullying was never a topic.

when i changed high schools, there was a kid on the bus who used to try to bully me. tell me i wasn't "good enough" to even look at him and he was just that much better than me. yeah, he preparing my Brueggers sandwich not that long ago. funny thing is that i didn't say anything to him thinking he probably didn't remember me.....but he flat out said, "hey i remember you, we used to ride the bus together in high school."

2/28/2012 1:29:04 PM

third kid dead

Quote :

"I don't think bullying is tolerated or given a blind eye. It is simply a very difficult problem to address, and really requires a huge support system to prevent. I mean, a certain amount of tension in inherent in child relationships. Hell, it's part of adult relationships. For teachers and administrators to step in when every insult or comment of any kind is made is unrealistic, but often it's the accumulation of these little things which cause problems. You also have some people who are tougher skinned than others, and some people who are nicer than others. It's a continuum, which makes zero tolerance policies very hard to apply."

I think that is one of the most reasonable things I've read about this issue recently.

I was never "bullied", per se, as I was always one of the "popular" kids, but I definitely had some terrible, hurtful things said to me over the years that made me feel pretty low. luckily I had an amazing family who I knew, no matter what, would always be on my side. I definitely think I am in the minority there and I am grateful every day of my life for being blessed with that (and in so many other ways). I think a lot kids that make it through middle school and high school "alive" (physically or otherwise) should be commended - kids can be so fucking cruel.

I went out of my way to befriend the "nerds" or outcasts or the "allstars" (what they called the special ed classes). Junior year my girlfriend and I ate lunch about half the time with this big oafey kid that I had gone to elementary with. he was always so nice but just so socially awkward. I wish I had done more but I always thought that he thought we were fucking with him or something. I wish I had done a lot more for a lot of people, in retrospect. I had a lot of "power" to make things different for way more kids than I did.

[Edited on February 28, 2012 at 2:06 PM. Reason : new2iu called me]

2/28/2012 1:37:14 PM

Quote :

"of course mine was never to the point where i contemplated suicide or bringing a gun to school but talking about bullying was never a topic. "

That kind of resiliency went out the window when society started encouraging kids that it's okay to be different.

2/28/2012 1:37:52 PM

a 3rd kid died today. it's a reminder of all the kids that will die today so senselessly and that we won't hear about or know.

I was bullied and teased a lot after I moved down south. I was called a bunch of names like yankee or carpetbagger, so I had to teach myself how to lose my northern accent etc, but that all was pretty tame. Then in high school I was incessantly called a slut and dirty things like that, there was stuff written about me in notes passed around (even though I was a virgin under well into college) and then some girl named me Toucan Sam and that spread like wildfire and it took me two nasal surgeries (one rhinoplasty) to get rid of that But there were people, teachers and other students who were supportive at New Bern HS and that helped with my experience of bullying. The slut stuff really affected me though.

2/28/2012 1:39:09 PM

^ your story reminds me of the one about the girl from England who moved to Massachusetts and those girls called her slut and dirty names and she killed herself

2/28/2012 2:01:31 PM

Quote :

"New Bern HS "

well there's your problem

2/28/2012 2:24:26 PM

Quote :

"I was bullied and teased a lot after I moved down south. I was called a bunch of names like yankee or carpetbagger, so I had to teach myself how to lose my northern accent etc, but that all was pretty tame."

I moved from New Bern, NC to Cary, NC when I was 5. I was made fun of throughout elementary school for my southern accent. By middle school, the accent was gone.

You know, one argument often made against homeschooling is that kids don't learn to socialize. We know that public schools aren't great when it comes to teaching the material, but how good of a job does public school do at "teaching" social skills?

[Edited on February 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM. Reason : ]

2/28/2012 2:48:29 PM

Kids were pretty fucking harsh and I dont think telling a kid it's okay to be yourself is creating a problem. I think a lack of boundaries and serious consequences for their actions is creating a feeling of invincibility. I didn't even think of picking up a gun to solve my problems. Kids say shit for a reaction and then forget about it when they find their next victim.

Though maybe these shootings will teach bullies that the reaction they get may be a gun blowing in their face. Who the hell knows.

It's sad though, the shooter must've been close to manage to kill 3 out of 5, it's very sad.

2/28/2012 3:17:12 PM

I was bullied too, moreso in high school than middle school. I had just moved to NC so I got the new kid crap too. Same as others have said, I had a good family that I knew loved me. They didn't always know what I was going through at school but if I was ever having dark thoughts I would like to think my high school self would have confided in them. HS was shitty in general because we moved I was really angry & missed all my friends.

However, not much has been said in this thread ab the online & cell phone aspect of this. When most of us were in HS you had dial up Internet (if anything at all) & you didn't have time to fuck with people between waiting for web pages to load & checking everyone's AIM status. I know texting wasn't a huge thing in HS & I forgot my cell half the time & not everyone had one that they carried to school.

Something about the bullying following kids home from school, in their pocket on their cell phone & shit people can talk on the Internet, I can't imagine not being able to escape that stuff. At least when I went home I wasn't being harassed. I think many of us in have a hard time understanding that.

2/28/2012 3:56:53 PM

we all got clowned

we all kicked some ass and got our ass kicked

no one got shot

2/28/2012 3:58:14 PM

I had a girl who was like 16 in middle school talk shit ab kicking my ass on the bus. She got off on my stop along with like 15 other kids to whup me.

I ended up talking her out of it -- fucking awesome.

2/28/2012 4:02:15 PM

set em up

2/28/2012 4:02:43 PM