page 2 will knock you the f*** out

9/5/2012 7:45:48 PM

Quote :

"And, in the very rare instance that you actually do get canned, it's okay, because you can easily get hired in the next town over or by the county sheriff. It's all part of the police's "professional courtesy.""

I like how you portray this as fact. Have you worked as a law enforcement officer? If not, how do you come to this conclusion?

9/5/2012 9:54:45 PM

The police are one of the last bastions of the good old boy network. Piles and piles of anecdotal evidence.

Do you have anything to contradict this or are you just claiming that I'm wrong?

http://tinyurl.com/c4p3vxe

Just read some of the links in that quick google search. It's not a rare occasion. It happens over, and over, and over, and over again. Hell, frequently they don't even have to go to a new department because police unions are so ridiculously powerful that it's difficult to keep guys fired even after egregious errors or blatantly criminal behavior.

9/6/2012 11:37:29 AM

I'm just speaking from personal experience. I know of four people who lost their jobs as police officers. One is now a nurse, one works maintenance, one works construction, and one does housekeeping at a hotel.

9/6/2012 11:52:58 AM

Quote :

"Sounds like a sham to have police investigating police right? Well, in this State, when the SBI comes knocking its a criminal investigation - in a use of deadly force, you are the suspect. Its investigated just like any other homicide and if you decided to talk with the SBI, you get the whole battery; Miranda rights, etc."

Quote :

"And when the investigation is over, you get canned or put back to work."

Contradictory statements. If you're being investigated as any citizen would be for excessive deadly force, the consequences would be far worse than getting canned.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 11:58 AM. Reason : ]

9/6/2012 11:58:12 AM

Well if you get canned for a deadly force incident, there is about a 99.9% you are going to charged as well. Or are you suggesting that law enforcement officers should have their right to due process waived?

As far as the whole "professional courtesy" in hiring, the agencies that pick these guys are not respectable agencies. They are usually small, poorly funded agencies that scrape the bottom of the barrel to fill their vacancies anyways.

I know a handful of people who have been fired or given the "option" (resign or be fired, which a career death sentence) who had to seek life outside of law enforcement.

9/6/2012 2:44:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qdxh-KaSBSg#!

Police brutality gone wrong.

9/6/2012 7:33:15 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/14/closing-arguments-expected-in-trial-girl-157-murder/?test=latestnews

9/14/2012 9:22:19 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Cop shoots a shizophrenic, wheel chair bound, double amputee.


Seems like this could have ended up differently. Like...they could have just tipped his chair over or something.

9/23/2012 10:01:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7rWtDMPaRD8


I know I've seen this posted before, but I saw it again today and it seems relevant to this thread.

A US citizen should be able to walk the streets freely without harassment from the police. For the purposes of this thread I don't care how you feel about the rest of the Giuliani/Bloomberg/Kelly agenda of control; but if you don't have a problem with this you're a poor example of an American citizen.

[Edited on June 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM. Reason : l]

6/19/2013 7:34:47 PM

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/03/commit-any-felonies-lately

Be careful out there while you appreciate your "freedom."

7/4/2013 5:47:18 PM

Not exactly "police brutality" related, but a site I recommend in case anyone isn't familiar is "Photography Is Not A Crime" or PINAC:

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/

Holding those in authority accountable for their actions is always difficult, but Carlos Miller has been at it for years now and his blog is finally starting to receive some national attention. Lots of great videos from all over the country displaying blatant abuse of power - even here in North Carolina. Recent video from Salisbury which still has not received any local media attention from what I can tell.

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/06/12/north-carolina-cops-assault-man-for-video-recording-them-from-public-street/

[Edited on July 5, 2013 at 8:46 AM. Reason : Added the Salisbury video link.]

7/5/2013 8:39:02 AM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ac_1372956112

7/5/2013 10:16:20 AM

Henderson [Nevada, not NC] police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court. . . . "The Mitchell family's claim includes Third Amendment violations, a rare claim in the United States."

https://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59061.htm


what bill of rights?

7/5/2013 1:44:19 PM

^ Holy Christ. If that is true that is some fucked up shit.

7/5/2013 2:04:25 PM

Jesus christ

7/5/2013 2:09:27 PM

I see both sides of that; on one hand it sounds like you have a barricaded subject (unknown if there is a hostage and this is an inference based solely on the "command center" references) and a tactical advantage could save lives but on the other, I don't know what (in NC) recourse you would have if you wanted to take up a position in their home and they said nope. The last hostage situation I dealt with, everyone just evacuated their homes.

7/5/2013 3:34:20 PM

Regardless, if you ask me to evacuate, that's one thing. Evacuate and occupy is another.

7/5/2013 3:43:18 PM

the militarization of law enforcement agencies scares the hell out of me

7/5/2013 3:47:17 PM

I hope the recourse isn't firing multiple pepperball rounds (whatever that is) at me and my fucking dog after kicking my door down and searching my house without cause, then arresting me and throwing me in jail for hours.

7/5/2013 3:50:09 PM

There's an easy legislative solution to this. I call it the PROTECt Act: Police Require Our Total Effective Cooperation Act.

7/5/2013 7:52:15 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%e2%80%9cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

1. Officer overhears optometrist talking about $500 bet on football
2. Officer befriends guy as cover
3. Officer encourages guy to up bets to $2k, VA limit for being considered running a gambling ring
4. Officer tells guy he is coming over, arranges SWAT team to raid
5. Guy comes out of house barefoot in jeans and a t-shirt to meet "friend"
6. SWAT shoots guy.

7/7/2013 3:26:20 PM

Quote :

" In March 2007, a small army of local cops, ATF agents, National Guard troops, and a helicopter raided a poker game in Cary, North Carolina. "

7/7/2013 6:38:23 PM

Gotta find any excuse possible to play dress-up and use their cool toys

7/7/2013 6:48:28 PM

I still don't understand sending in a SWAT team for most dope raids; SWAT teams rescue people not dope. Now don't get me wrong, if there is a serious threat of violence, go for it but the rise of popping bangs and blowing up doors for some crack is crazy. Is it a rush? Fuck yeah, but its dangerous as hell. There are other ways to get in a house; create a ruse that gets the occupants outside and then go inside. How about a fake police beating in the yard next door? People love to run outside their crackhouse and WorldStar that shit. But they will flush the dope! Cool, make a better case you dolt; how about you make a bunch of well documented buys and the search warrant and subsequent will just act as the pièce de résistance and not your whole case. /rant.

7/7/2013 9:20:17 PM

when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail

7/7/2013 9:23:55 PM

A hammer paid for by sweet sweet federal dollars too

7/7/2013 9:47:35 PM

^^

this.


--

in other news:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/03/culpeper-cop-who-shot-and-killed-patrici

Cop shoots and kills a woman in a church parking lot when she rolled up her window. The cop only got three years. This blog also raises what should have been red flags in the hiring process.
"Soon after Harmon-Wright was arrested, it was revealed that he had a tarnished military record, a drinking problem, and a history of harassing Culpeper residents. The first two problems nearly kept him from getting the job, and no one at the Culpeper Police Department will say why they didn't."

7/8/2013 11:59:23 AM

So when is the Arab American Spring going to happen?

Revolution: An Instruction Manual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zq4f6WYmHU

(Worth watching)


[Edited on July 8, 2013 at 9:52 PM. Reason : 33333]

7/8/2013 9:50:34 PM

As the population of people with nothing to lose increases, the more likely you'll start seeing shit grow beyond protests and "occupy" type events.

As various facets of government continue to increase heavy handed enforcement against average people while those with power and wealth aren't held accountable, the rule of law becomes voided and people stop giving a shit.

Every day it seems like the US government reveals itself to be more and more like those countries we invaded to 'liberate from tyranny'


P.S. oh hai NSA stooge reading this

7/9/2013 2:45:24 PM

^ agreed

that means an american spring is a few decades away, assuming the rate of US decline stays constant.

but it could also happen earlier if there is some strong catalyst, like some horrible police brutality or something similar which spawns protests which go viral and engulf the whole country in flames.

in egypt they said 1 in 5 or 6 people was protesting. so if 50-60 mil americans pour out onto the streets at the same time, it might have the same effect. but, america is also huge, and the pop density is 2.5 times smaller than in egypt. so to be able to depose a gov by sheer force of number of people on the streets, it seems as if it would require anywhere between at least 100 million and 150 million people out simultaneously for several days/weeks in a row.

not gonna happen in that way, in that case. so the catalyst scenario is most likely, if anything like that were to happen.

7/10/2013 1:50:43 PM

A few decades away? Pffff. I think you're underestimating just how violent and angry Americans are.... We can start a riot over ramen if we wanted.

7/10/2013 2:05:00 PM

i will buy out all the ramen output from all ramen factories for a few weeks

7/10/2013 2:23:41 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/10/obama-police-militarization_n_3566478.html

Only tangentially related to brutality, but an interesting read on the militarization of police.

7/10/2013 9:07:46 PM

it's not really tangential, I think there's a pretty direct correlation between police being told they're soldiers in a war (war on drugs, war on crime, war on terror, etc.) and the US vs. Them mentality you see in police so much more now. Community policing and cops actually knowing the people they serve used to be a real thing. Now they see us all as potential criminals. That attitude makes it more likely that they'll use excessive force, cover up for those that do, shoot your dog for no reason, etc.

Police militarization is a huge, huge problem that has had predictably catastrophic results.

Radley Balko's blog is a great read btw, a lot of really good pro civil liberty stuff in his archives from before he narrowed his focus to police militarization.

7/12/2013 12:02:27 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/

Salon seems to be paying attention to this issue.

7/13/2013 3:40:30 AM

Clear case of brutality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386633/Shocking-surveillance-video-captures-police-officer-brutally-beating-shoplifters-face-1-year-old-child.html

Go to comments and click on "worst rated", some gems in there.

8/27/2013 9:49:10 AM

Quote :

"A 40-year-old police officer in San Antonio, Texas is facing charges of felony sexual assault after a 19-year-old woman accused him of handcuffing and raping her during a traffic stop over the weekend. According to an arrested warrant obtained by the San Antonio Express-News, Officer Jackie Len Neal pulled over the teen, telling her that her car was reported stolen. Even though the woman produced a sales slip for the vehicle, Neal insisted on patting her down. The woman told him she felt uncomfortable with the pat down and asked for a female officer, but he ignored her, the warrant said. The woman was allegedly groped, placed in handcuffs and then taken to the back of his patrol car. At the time of the alleged assault, video cameras mounted in Neal’s cruiser were not functioning because a hard drive was missing. However, a GPS tracking system did corroborate that the police cruiser was parked for 18 minutes on Betty Street as the woman had claimed. At a press conference on Saturday, Police Chief William McManus said that Neal would have known the video recording system was not functioning in his cruiser. “I can’t express in words how disappointed and angry I am about this. I am at a loss for words,” McManus explained. “I am outraged. This is a punch in the eye to the Police Department.” Neal was arrested by SAPD and Special Victims Unit detectives at around 2 a.m. on Saturday. The San Antonio Police Department asked the FBI to investigate possible civil rights violations in the case. McManus confirmed that Neal had been suspended in September for dating an 18-year-old, who had joined the Police Explorer program in preparation for a law enforcement career. He had also been accused of sexual assault while on duty several years earlier, but the woman refused to cooperate with a police investigation and the charges were dropped. The police chief called on any other victims to speak out. “I praise the victim for having the courage to come forward and having the confidence in the SAPD to handle the case effectively,” he remarked. “There is no such thing a consensual sex on duty,” McManus pointed out. “I feel silly even saying that we won’t tolerate it. Of course we won’t tolerate it. There is no gray area. This is a criminal offense.” Neal was released after posting a $20,000 bond. The police department will continue to pay him until he is indicted. Watch this video from KENS, broadcast Nov. 23, 2013."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/texas-cop-arrested-for-handcuffing-and-raping-19-year-old-at-traffic-stop/

Always trust the po-po.

11/25/2013 11:19:01 PM

Would he get the same punishment for rape as a private citizen? Probably not. Hope a bus mows him down.

11/26/2013 12:46:16 AM

The punishment will probably be harsher

11/26/2013 7:28:49 AM

anyone post the story about the lawn waterer being gunned down by the local PD?

Trust the police. They're here to protect you.

11/26/2013 8:20:43 AM

I for one am thankful to the 99% of cops out there who put their lives on the line on a daily basis (despite often times shitty pay) to keep the general public safe.

11/26/2013 8:45:03 AM

where'd that 99% figure come from?

11/26/2013 8:56:40 AM

my ass.

11/26/2013 10:04:31 AM

Seems more plausible than

Quote :

"I predict 1000+ pages"

1 page and 20 months ago.

11/26/2013 10:34:46 AM

So here's a question.

11/26/2013 1:58:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23CPcTdY2M

12/30/2013 1:39:47 AM

^ bahahaha, if that was murrca:

1) the girl would have been tasered, punched, and kneed in the side
2) the dude filming would have been roughed up during and after the girl's arrest
3) the cops wouldn't have explained and apologized to the onlookers, no fucking way

(Not necessarily, but the probability is most definitely much higher)

12/30/2013 2:14:10 AM

"Don't you know she is a girl?" - Ali AlAbbudi, idiot college kid: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/hamilton-police-arrest-video-goes-viral-1.2461046

I mean maybe the cops were abusing their authority (I don't know the whole case and won't just take the police at their word), but it's not like women should be exempt from arrest for being female.

[Edited on December 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM. Reason : curiously the Canadian equivalent of our Miranda warning does have to be read on arrest

12/30/2013 6:17:20 AM

Link at Drudge today to a Daily Caller story on a cop receiving a 2 year sentence for abuse:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/29/judge-hands-down-unbelievably-lenient-sentence-for-cop-who-fingered-suspects-anuses/

12/30/2013 11:29:32 AM