It's never been so clear why the marketing people I work with all drive Teslas and and other high end luxury cars.

12/20/2013 9:51:18 PM

...because they're rich?

12/20/2013 10:17:05 PM

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"Why, when we tell the truth, do we get punished for it?"

what truth is there to "black people were happier pre-Civil Rights"???

12/20/2013 10:29:22 PM

again, he was discussing the people he personally grew up with and worked with. the generalization to all of america was not his.

12/20/2013 10:31:00 PM

By truth I mean his own opinion. He said what he thought, rather than making something up.

We are training public figures to just give lip service. Unless you have the right opinions.

12/20/2013 10:36:50 PM

and it's also his opinion that gay people are "full of murder" so yeah...

Good for him, expressing his unfiltered, bigoted opinion. And good for A&E for acting on their right to yank him from the air.

[Edited on December 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM. Reason : Hh]

12/20/2013 10:40:16 PM

so we're just going to pretend that there wasn't a reason why his experiences were wrong?

and why it's awful to assume that a group of people were happy just because they were happy around him, for a multitude of different reasons?

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"By truth I mean his own opinion. He said what he thought, rather than making something up. We are training public figures to just give lip service. Unless you have the right opinions."

people give opinions all of the time. that doesn't mean we can't call them out when their opinions are wrong.

[Edited on December 20, 2013 at 10:44 PM. Reason : jesus]

12/20/2013 10:42:38 PM

Because they can get millions of people to talk about made up controversies.

12/20/2013 10:49:05 PM

Smath is just trolling now, right?

12/20/2013 11:49:45 PM

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"He's not smart, clever, witty, or educated"

He invented and patented an extremely lucrative item.... he also has a college and masters degree.

12/20/2013 11:58:03 PM

People forget he has a masters degree...and Willie has a MBA...

Guys planned shit...and said America make us rich!

12/21/2013 12:07:21 AM

It's even worse that he went to a college and is still dumber than a brick.

Sad waste of money (mbas from most places are jokes too).

12/21/2013 12:36:54 AM

ITT degrees gotten on football scholarships in "physical education" are worth something.

12/21/2013 12:41:07 AM

Dude doesn't agree with homosexual relationships AND makes a ton of money??? HANG HIM

12/21/2013 12:42:18 AM

what is there to disagree with?

did you give permission to every heterosexual couple you know?

were you granted permission?

[Edited on December 21, 2013 at 1:37 AM. Reason : it's absurd Jerry, absurd.]

12/21/2013 1:25:06 AM

Why is everyone so focused on the homosexuality part?

I figured people on TWW would be more upset about him comparing drunkenness to bestiality

12/21/2013 2:26:10 AM

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"Quote : "religious or conservatives that are actually decent people" [Edited on December 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM. Reason : Who?"

you're seriously such a dick sometimes. my family, who has essentially adopted you and been 100x more of a family to you than your biological family has been the last 10 years, are both religious and conservative (well, my mom being the conservative).

I don't know why you think it's okay to constantly spout off such venomous, illogical bullshit, but you should probably consider thinking before you speak/type more often.

12/21/2013 1:48:33 PM

I'll admit, it never ceases to amaze me when people who make no secret of their conservatism turn out to be decent people, at least in my presence and as far as I've been able to see or hear; usually the more they seem to be good people personally, the more I suspect they're not really as conservative as they say they are (though I still think they're definitely right-of-center).

It's like that scene at the end of the South Park movie where Cartman, after his harrowing adventures with Kyle, tells him, "I'm sorry for calling you a Jew, Kyle! You're not a Jew!" except it's less severe and it's about conservatives.

12/21/2013 1:59:42 PM

^either you are trolling or you have serious mental issues.

12/21/2013 2:54:17 PM

(I have serious mental issues.)

12/21/2013 3:00:20 PM

i wish you a good recovery in that case.

12/21/2013 3:02:37 PM

hell raisin

12/21/2013 6:38:26 PM

BUT WHAT ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH

12/21/2013 7:46:28 PM

The comment from lewisje to me is fairly typical. Trash conservatives even though they don't know what we're really about. The media makes us out to be poor, minority hating gun toting God loving invertebrates. If you meet a conservative that doesn't fit that narrative, then by God they aren't really as conservative as they think they are. They're really "right of center."

But no, I'm the partisan joke here.

12/21/2013 8:09:13 PM

Really? THIS is the controversy? Political correctness run amock. Dude said what his religious beliefs are, and people accuse him of being hateful, and in doing so, show THEIR hatred far more than anything he did. He might have a lawsuit on his hands at this point, since he was plainly fired for expressing a religious belief.

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"this is a free market at work; this is the American way to handle it, let a private company decide what they want to do"

Since when have we allowed a private company to decide what it wants to do in America? lol! I thought there were laws about discrimination by employers. Guess you don't care about those when it's inconvenient, right?

12/22/2013 8:41:12 AM

A) he hasn't been fired
B) he hasn't been discriminated against based on his religion

12/22/2013 8:51:27 AM

He expressed a religious belief.
He was disciplined for it.

Where do you not see discrimination?

12/22/2013 9:02:21 AM

Probably because he was disciplined to create a manufactured scandal to create a buzz about the show. Maybe they were courting Hobby Lobby as a sponsor.

12/22/2013 9:16:40 AM

He was not disciplined because he is a Christian.

12/22/2013 9:19:36 AM

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"He expressed a religious belief. He was disciplined for it. Where do you not see discrimination?"

If I go to work and keep talking about any religious belief, I can be fired for that. If you don't think that's legal, it's because you're stupid.

12/22/2013 9:21:02 AM

This whole thing has created more of a stir than the Breaking Bad finale. Sad shit. Artless fucks who watch this show. There are so many better ways to spend your time on this Earth.

12/22/2013 10:46:22 AM

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"He expressed a religious belief. He was disciplined for it. Where do you not see discrimination?"

It was a hateful and ignorant thing to say, it really doesn't matter if it was said under the guise of christianity. He could have been a muslim and said the same thing, or a scientologist. or a godless communist, and it would have still been a hateful thing to say. i can't believe people are crying "christian persecution".

12/22/2013 11:00:16 AM

Phil should "resign" like Martin Bashir did.

12/22/2013 11:52:02 AM

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"He expressed a religious belief. He was disciplined for it. Where do you not see discrimination?"

What part of his racist statements are religious?

also, please describe what part of the Civil Rights act A&E violated:
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/titlevii.cfm
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2013 12:28:07 PM

the part that said bible-thumpers should be protected from any consequences of their speech

like in the good repressive old days that ought to be behind us forever

12/22/2013 12:34:24 PM

That would be all fine and dandy, except for the fact that we have laws that say you can't punish someone for a religious belief. And no, his remarks weren't "racist," either. You people need to brush up on your reading comprehension and stop being so quick to label people who simply have a different opinion than you do.

"this is what I experienced" is not racist, no matter how much you want it to be.

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2013 1:00:02 PM

He's been publicly saying religious things, it's one of the things he's known for. AE absolutely didn't fire him for expressing a religious belief.

^ lol if course he's racist. You can't do a show about self proclaimed rednecks and not trip over a few racists.

But he's a dying breed. You all have family members that are equally racist.

"If I'm lost at three o'clock in a major metropolitan area...I ask myself: Where would I rather be trying to walk with my wife and children?" he said in explaining why he voted for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012. "One of the guys who's running for president is out of Chicago, Illinois, and the other one is from Salt Lake City, Utah. Where would I rather be turned around at three o'clock in the morning? I opted for Salt Lake City. I think it would be safer."
-Phil

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2013 1:01:45 PM

as usual, aaronburro performing mental gymnastics. this isn't about him "expressing his religious beliefs". you really take some ridiculous stances.

12/22/2013 1:07:01 PM

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"AE absolutely didn't fire him for expressing a religious belief."

The hell they didn't. People got in an uproar because he stated one particular religious belief that they didn't like. In what way do you he wasn't disciplined for that particular statement? EVERY single complaint I've seen has been related to homosexuality; one statement was a crass one that is in keeping with everything else he says and even still isn't all that bad; the other is plainly a religious one. So which one do you think they fired him over? The one that is no different than anything he else he says, or the religious one? And your salt lake city quote? That's racist? Where did he once mention race? or, are you inserting words into his mouth, and then condemning him for YOUR words?

^ then tell me what it's about? Someone asked him about his religious beliefs; he answered; then he got fired/suspended/whatever. You tell me what it's all about.

12/22/2013 1:07:54 PM

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""this is what I experienced" is not racist, no matter how much you want it to be."

the "this is what I experienced" was only the first part of his statement, and you are right that its not racist but only ignorant (and since being ignorant is not a protected class, that'e enough to fire him by itself). However, what he said after that part was racist.

but seriously, show me what part of the Civil Rights act A&E violated:
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/titlevii.cfm
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm

tl;dr
even if his statements about homosexuality were protected by discrimination laws (they aren't), A&E would still be allowed to fire him for his other statements.

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

12/22/2013 1:21:09 PM

it's about a guy who was privileged enough to be making millions on a tv show saying some hateful stuff about an entire group of people who aren't harming him or his family in anyway, and his employer firing him because of it, which they have every right to do. same as if his "religious views" included sacrificing young virgins for a bountiful hunt, and his employer firing him after he decided it would be a good idea to announce that. he can have those beliefs. and he can express those beliefs. and his employer can fire him for being an ignorant dumbass who thought it would be a good idea to say that in a public interview.

12/22/2013 1:28:56 PM

and what were the "rest of his statements" that you think were racist? Preferring Salt Lake City to Chicago?

So, you think it's A-OK to discipline someone for stating his religious beliefs outside of work? Let's get this on record.

as for "what laws were violated," how bout this, from your own link:

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"The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment."

Is it your contention that being disciplined by your employer is not an "aspect of employment"? And let's be honest, they didn't suspend him for the race remarks; they suspended him for the homosexuality is a sin one. That's the one that generated all the buzz. His only other statement was "I prefer a vagina to an anus, I don't get why someone else wouldn't", and that's no different than anything else he says on his show. So, we're at the point where you think a bunch of remarks that are identical to what he already says on the show are what made A&E not want to keep him on the show... The outcry was over the remarks about sin, and you're being naive or obtuse if you think otherwise.

^ what the hell is hateful about "I think X is wrong, but hey, it's God's job to judge." Having the nerve to disagree with you is not "hateful." As for virgins, it's a far cry from murder to "I think X is a sin", and it shows how far out of touch with reality you are to even try and compare those two.

12/22/2013 1:56:52 PM

you are just the worst

how is it religious percecution when they've been a-ok with multiple seasons worth of the family espousing Christian views?

12/22/2013 2:00:14 PM

and then they go on to describe all of the situations, none of which A&E violated

but, like I said,

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"tl;dr even if his statements about homosexuality were protected by discrimination laws (they aren't), A&E would still be allowed to fire him for his other statements."

his "not-racist" ignorant statements alone are sufficient for A&E to fire him

12/22/2013 2:02:12 PM

^^ That they have accepted other religious statements doesn't excuse them from not accepting this one. You don't get "discrimination credits" that you can spend at a later date.

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"and then they go on to describe all of the situations, none of which A&E violated"

So, my employer can discipline me for going to church on my day off. Got it.

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"his "not-racist" ignorant statements alone are sufficient for A&E to fire him"

So, it's your contention that A&E fired him because they didn't like him saying outside of work the very kind of things he says at work that makes them so much money? That's really what you want to say?

[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/22/2013 2:05:09 PM

its my contention that A&E was well within their rights to terminate him from their show for these simple reasons (and also other more complicated reasons)

the fact that you can't respond to the point that A&E is allowed to fire him for his statements about race and eethnicity show that you realize you are wrong


[Edited on December 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM. Reason : also, google this term: morality clause]

12/22/2013 2:12:05 PM

it's not my contention that they can't fire him for those other comments. It's my contention that they didn't fire him for those. They fired him for saying homosexuality is a sin and then quoting a Bible verse.

12/22/2013 2:20:07 PM

haha, you realize you are wrong

12/22/2013 2:21:20 PM

haha, you realize you are wrong

12/22/2013 2:28:32 PM

did you google that phrase yet?

12/22/2013 2:48:07 PM