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Fuck Romney and Obama.

7/22/2012 5:16:36 AM

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"RON PAUL is the only candidate that is FOR legalization."

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"false i am voting for this guy:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Eca-INIOw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFYCky0muY

7/22/2012 5:20:51 AM

Personal Information:
Full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney
DOB: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.
Father: George W. Romney, former Governor of the State of Michigan
Raised: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan
Married: Ann Romney since 1969; they five children.
Education:
B.A. from Brigham Young University ,
J.D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University
Religion:
Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints
Working Background:
-After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.
-After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.
-In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm, one of the largest such firms in the United States .
-In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.
-He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.
-In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.
*Some Interesting Facts about Romney:
-Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts, turned it into Staples; now over 2,000 stores employing 90,000 people.
-Bain Capital also worked to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others.
-He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.
-He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years.
-He was an unpaid bishop and stake president of his church for ten years.
-He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.
-He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.
-He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.
--Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.
--And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income.... Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%."

Man! I really hate Mitt Romney!

7/24/2012 9:38:15 AM

Judge a man by his actions....







Especially if the list only includes good stuff

7/24/2012 1:58:43 PM

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2012 5:50:13 PM

Self made, lol.

Obama is the most self made president we've had in decades, and more than most people any of you know.

Romney is a silver spoon scion trying to buy what he thinks money entitles him to.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 5:51 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2012 5:50:13 PM

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 7:10 PM. Reason : ....]

7/24/2012 7:09:54 PM

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"Obama is the most self made president we've had in decades, and more than most people any of you know."

and that's not even saying much, cause he most certainly benefited from some Affirmative Action in his lifetime. probably even lied about his birth on his college applications in order to get special consideration to get in to harvard

7/24/2012 7:35:42 PM

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"Obama is the most self made president we've had in decades, and more than most people any of you know."

ahahahahahahaha

The Bushes, Ford, Carter, and JFK are the prime examples of the "wealthy" being born into a pedigree.


But Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton were/are extremely self-made men, and arguably moreso than Obama.

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"Romney is a silver spoon scion trying to buy what he thinks money entitles him to."

So was FDR, and that turned out pretty well.




[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2012 7:42:19 PM

Does it seem like the G.O.P. is not backing Romney, and white people who will you be voting for this time?

7/24/2012 9:52:59 PM

I'm surprised that no one has pointed out he was a draft dodger. When hundreds of thousands were being drafted up for Vietnam, Mitt ran off to France for 2.5 years under the guise of a Mormon missionary

7/24/2012 10:45:42 PM

worked pretty well for Clinton and he was a way better President than Obama.

7/24/2012 11:39:18 PM

^^Guess it depends on what preconceived bias you have but between 30-40% of mormons go on missions nowadays, I'm sure the percentage is higher for the 'prominent' families. Also, I'm sure the numbers would go up if there was a draft on.

7/25/2012 8:58:18 AM

Mormons are tards. Actually I think 95% of religious people are fucking retards. People are only religious because their parents raised them to believe in an imaginary superbeing. Religious people cannot think for themselves. And blind belief is just plain stupid.

Obama is also retarded. We need an atheist president.

7/25/2012 9:01:04 AM

Back at ya fucktard.
Which 5% of "religious people" are not fucking retards in your infinite wisdom?

7/25/2012 10:21:25 AM

The ones that actually chose to be religious and aren't walking computers (programmed by mommy and daddy to worship a imaginary friend). You are in the 95% or religious nutjobs.

PLEASE COME UP WITH ONE REASON FOR BELIEVING OTHER THAN MOM SAID SO.

7/25/2012 10:23:52 AM

I dislike Romney because he was born on third base and thinks he hit a fucking triple.

7/25/2012 12:46:12 PM

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"worked pretty well for Clinton and he was a way better President than Obama."

Clinton didn't get any deferments. His draft number was never pulled.

Romney supported the Vietnam War, the draft but actively sought to avoid it. Romney was the draft dodger.

7/25/2012 3:00:56 PM

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" Romney was the draft dodger."

That's just a plain dishonest statement.

7/25/2012 7:05:58 PM

^Instead of running to Canada, Romney ran to France.

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"Now Mr. Romney wasn’t a draft dodger in the true sense of the word, i.e. he didn’t go to Canada during the war. He did go to France however. He received a deferment from the Vietnam War that allowed him to go to France to do Missionary work for the Mormon Church, of which he is a member in good standing. So, in 1966, at age 23, more than a bit too old for a deferment, he crossed the pond, as they say in London his current location, and went to Paris, France for his Missionary program."

http://guardianlv.com/2012/07/mitt-romney-draft-dodger-or-master-manipulator/
I guess coward works better than draft dodger.



[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ...]

7/25/2012 7:18:13 PM

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"Obama is also retarded. We need an atheist president."

obama most likely is an atheist he just says he is christian to get votes.

i also think he is an anti capitalist so what the fuck do i know

7/25/2012 9:07:48 PM

He answered the question

He just didn't answer it in a way that gave them the inflammatory sound bite they were trying to get with the trap they set so they were mad, wah wah

7/25/2012 9:21:53 PM

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7/27/2012 1:03:01 AM

How many Anglo-Saxons we got up in this bitch?

7/27/2012 3:23:43 AM

Oh, so you are one of those shallow people that makes decisions based on race.
Got it.

7/27/2012 7:53:58 AM

Romney vs Obama.

I'm going black

ALSO ROMNEY WILL MAKE MASTERBATION ILLEGAL. GOP IS KNOWN FOR PUSHING RELIGION IN WITH LAW.

7/27/2012 8:14:16 AM

I just learned that Romney has 20+ million dollars in an IRA where contributions are limited to $30,000 a year.

It's just awful/hilarious. We are quibbling over whether or not we should let the tax cuts expire for people making $250k+ when the problem is so clearly the loopholes that allow ultra-wealthy people like Romney to avoid paying enormous tax bills.

Have we given up on closing the loopholes? Are we all still pretending that, with enough hard work, one day we might be rich enough to do what Romney does with his money?

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM. Reason : This one example is obviously just the tip of the fraudish/unethical iceberg.]

7/27/2012 10:01:22 AM

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"Mitt Romney has lots of explaining to do regarding his IRA his Individual Retirement Account holdings are valued at 101 million dollars for his retirement savings."

101 is a lot more than 20

7/27/2012 10:05:57 AM

It is possibly worth that much. I didn't want to cite the highest figure available when lower ones are also possible.

Also, the difference between 20 and 100 million dollars doesn't matter in this case. Both numbers are evidence of an unethical approach to paying taxes. Being super wealthy and having a bunch of money shouldn't be held against somebody. But being super wealthy, not paying taxes on it, and espousing the viewpoints that Romney has is all kinds of disgusting/terrible.

7/27/2012 10:28:18 AM

^^^don't you just pay a penalty for excess contributions?

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2012 10:34:39 AM

obama is worth 10 million.

you HAVE to vote for a rich guy if you want to vote for someone that could win.

romney would do less damage to our economy IMO though

7/27/2012 10:40:25 AM

^Romney was born a millionaire.
Obama worked to become a millionaire.

7/27/2012 11:05:28 AM

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" just learned that Romney has 20+ million dollars in an IRA where contributions are limited to $30,000 a year. It's just awful/hilarious. We are quibbling over whether or not we should let the tax cuts expire for people making $250k+ when the problem is so clearly the loopholes that allow ultra-wealthy people like Romney to avoid paying enormous tax bills. Have we given up on closing the loopholes? Are we all still pretending that, with enough hard work, one day we might be rich enough to do what Romney does with his money?"

the prevailing opinion is that he bought closely held stock of some of the businesses he oversaw for the IRA when they weren't worth much and they increased in value alot...which is a good move. Eventually, taxes will be paid on that amount.

What you should be citing, if anything, is the closely held securities he put into trust, which is probably worth 10x more than the IRA and will never be taxed....but again, that was just good planning imo.

7/27/2012 11:17:35 AM

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"obama is worth 10 million. you HAVE to vote for a rich guy if you want to vote for someone that could win. romney would do less damage to our economy IMO though"

You sir are a dumbass. Romney is the 1%. Your middle class ass will be fucked if he's elected.

And since you are implying that Obama is bad for the economy give one example of him fucking the economy. (An example that can't be traced by to Bush)

7/27/2012 11:29:22 AM

Obama is our savior

7/27/2012 11:32:02 AM

Republicans are the devil reincarnated.

7/27/2012 11:36:29 AM

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"I just learned that Romney has 20+ million dollars in an IRA where contributions are limited to $30,000 a year."

Wow. Forget electing him to be president. Just give him a billion dollars, let him work his dark magic, then seize the money and pay off the deficit with his earnings.

7/27/2012 11:49:54 AM

^^^^^This stuff isn't just a good move or good planning. It's unethical, and we've been talking about stopping it for like thirty years. But wealthy people run everything so whatever...

What really bothers me though is that all of this nonsense has gone unaddressed for so long that people don't even have to acknowledge it in their rhetoric. They are so empowered that they can actually refer to all wealthy people as "job creators" with a straight face as if 1) not paying taxes/siphoning gazillions out of the economy actually creates jobs and 2) we should be grateful that our actual employers are generous/charitable enough to create a job for us (out of the goodness of their hearts or something).

^AHA, the problem is that he'd find a way to keep it for himself. But we could trick him into thinking it's a tithe for the Collective Churches of America or whatever makes the USA sound religious.

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2012 11:58:47 AM

In the example you cited, taxes will eventually be paid on the amount, so i'm not sure what your beef is.

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM. Reason : c]

7/27/2012 12:05:51 PM

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"the prevailing opinion is that he bought closely held stock of some of the businesses he oversaw for the IRA when they weren't worth much and they increased in value alot...which is a good move. Eventually, taxes will be paid on that amount."

I don't care how much in gains he made in an IRA but he will only be taxed on withdrawals like regular income and not on capital gains...

7/27/2012 12:11:22 PM

regular income tax will be more than if it were capital gains

7/27/2012 12:15:45 PM

NyM410

7/27/2012 12:18:22 PM

Well yeah, the flat rate, but any gains he'd incur on transactions within the account aren't taxed so its more money invested over time. But I'm coming at this from a normal person perspective and not a "I have $100MM in an IRA." He probably never trades..

7/27/2012 12:18:38 PM

^^^^^You seem to understand my beef in your previous when you cited yet another example of Romney not paying taxes. So be real--you know exactly what I'm talking about.

And, to be clear, I'm not going to plow through tax code and educate myself in a field that will never benefit me. If somebody is a gazillionaire who makes tons of money and pays less taxes than the rest of us, I know that is wrong. I don't need to know how he did it or what instruments or maneuvers or whatever were made... To those of us who actually pay taxes, this issue is very simple in that way.

7/27/2012 12:36:16 PM

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"regular income tax will be more than if it were capital gains"

true, although starting in 2013, short term capital gains goes to 43.4% and long term goes to 23.8%

7/27/2012 12:42:05 PM

yeah, but who knows what anything in the tax realm will ultimately be after they're done sparing....there's so much uncertainty with so many different taxes in 2013.

7/27/2012 1:29:36 PM

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"You seem to understand my beef in your previous when you cited yet another example of Romney not paying taxes. So be real--you know exactly what I'm talking about. And, to be clear, I'm not going to plow through tax code and educate myself in a field that will never benefit me. If somebody is a gazillionaire who makes tons of money and pays less taxes than the rest of us, I know that is wrong. I don't need to know how he did it or what instruments or maneuvers or whatever were made... To those of us who actually pay taxes, this issue is very simple in that way. "

no, i'm simply pointing out that you're complaining and you don't really even know what you're complaining about...as you just confirmed

7/27/2012 1:31:36 PM

Double Post MURDER

7/27/2012 1:32:25 PM

^^^sparring And, yes, the "uncertainty" is killing us! The wealthy need certainty if they're going to be able to create jobs--that's why we should keep everything exactly the same as it is right now!

The uncertainty thing is crazy to me. I heard a very reasonable guy going on and on about it...and, whether he realized it or not, he was essentially attempting to hold the country hostage. If you raise these taxes, the uncertainty will create an environment in which we can't feel comfortable creating jobs. (We'll take your jobs if you do this.)

It's screwed up to begin with, but it's extra, extra screwed up because it's a totally empty threat. Nobody in their right mind would pass up on the opportunity to make good money because of some vague notion of "uncertainty." Furthermore, nobody in the whole world gets the benefit of certainty--life is uncertain! And it is so ridiculously arrogant for wealthy people to be talking about the need for certainty...they have the most security out of all of us, and they want even more?!?!

^^I don't know that Romney is ever going to withdraw that money. What I do know is that very few people have the benefit of putting 100 million dollars in an IRA..and it's a little more than "good planning" that goes into it. But, whatever, you go on learning your finances...some day you will be a TWW billionaire! I'm sure of it.

[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2012 1:40:31 PM

Vote for Romney and I'm uncertain of the future of the middle class.

7/27/2012 1:43:02 PM