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"Yeah, facts and compelling evidence are hard to get around. Beth Fouhy is known to to be in the bag for Obama and that article omits or is flat out wrong about the movie. The movie shows a chart of the deficit of all Presidents and specifically shows its growth under GWB. So, for those of you that love Obama so much, go see the movie and tell me where it is wrong. Don't want to give money to D'Souza? Buy a ticket for a movie you like and just walk into 2016. No ever checks the stubs and its what I do for Michael Moore movies."

That compiled list actually told you exactly why this 'documentary' isn't particularly truthful and yet you didn't want to accept it. You're not interested in anything resembling 'facts', you just want more people to see this movie.

8/31/2012 11:11:11 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-takes-on-dinesh-dsouza-over-anti-obama-documentary-2016/

Bill Maher Takes On Dinesh D’Souza Over Anti-Obama Documentary 2016

9/1/2012 6:10:03 PM

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"That compiled list actually told you exactly why this 'documentary' isn't particularly truthful and yet you didn't want to accept it. You're not interested in anything resembling 'facts', you just want more people to see this movie."

I think it's funny that you think you know what truthful is and isn't enough to tell what is fact and isn't fact.

9/1/2012 6:28:43 PM

Why is that funny? Anybody who'se been through grade school has this comical ability.

9/3/2012 4:41:19 PM

Let's look at the specific charges raised in Beth Fouhy's AP article. Although I know most of you are too lazy to read and the rest of you are too close minded to comprehend was is stated below.

First, it claims D'Souza "never mentioned the explosion of debt that occurred under Obama's predecessor, Republican George Bush." This is simply false. The film quotes former Comptroller David Walker saying that the national debt exploded under both George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The film shows a clear graphic depicting the actual debt increase under both presidents, so that the viewer can compare them. The simple truth is that Bush's largest annual deficits were below $500 billion and Obama's lowest annual deficit was above $1 trillion. So Bush was a big spender and Obama an even bigger spender. This is made crystal-clear in the film.

Second, the AP article quotes D'Souza as saying that Obama has "done nothing" to prevent Iran from getting nuclear bombs. This is a deliberate misquotation. Actually in the film D'Souza recalls a prediction that he made in his book The Roots of Obama's Rage. The prediction was that Obama "would do nothing significant" to prevent Iran from getting nuclear bombs. By omitting the word "significant," AP can then claim that Obama has taken some measures, including some modest sanctions, against Iran. But D'Souza's point is that these measures are so weak that they cannot be expected to--and in fact haven't--deterred the mullahs in the slightest.

Third, the AP article "refutes" D'Souza's contention that Obama is weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadis fighting against America by pointing out that Obama ordered the killing of Osama Bin Laden and has also approved drone strikes against Al Qaeda. D'Souza's argument was based on the premise that Obama wants to close down Guantanamo and to extend constitutional rights to jihadis captured in Iraq and Afghanistan. He explained Obama's peculiar position by saying that Obama views these jihadis as freedom fighters seeking to liberate their countries from American occupation. As Obama has made clear, he views Bin Laden and Al Qaeda quite differently, as international gangsters who go abroad to kill innocent people. So, D'Souza's argument about Obama is quite consistent with his actions against Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

Fourth, the AP article claims that D'Souza misrepresents Obama's position on the Falkland Islands. Not true. The British position on the Falklands is that the islands belong to the U.K. The Argentine position supports negotiations over the control of the islands. Despite the special relationship between America and Britain, and despite the fact that Republican and Democratic presidents have supported the British position, the Obama administration has switched sides and now supports the Argentine position calling for negotiations. This is reflected in resolutions passed by the Organization of American States and backed by the United States.

Finally, the AP article disputes the film's claim that Obama removed a Winston Churchill bust from the Oval Office. The AP article takes its cue from a White House blog that initially attempted to deny this and obfuscate the issue by claiming possession of a second bust. This second bust was supposedly under repair but has now mysteriously surfaced. But none of this changes the fact that one of Obama's first actions as president was to return the Oval Office bust of Churchill. Obama didn't just want to relocate it, he wanted it given back to Britain. That bust now sits in the home of the British ambassador. The film explains Obama's hostility to Churchill by noting that he was a champion of colonialism and ordered a crackdown on an anti-colonial rebellion in Kenya in which Obama's father and grandfather were both detained. So we know what Obama did, and we know why he might have wanted to do it. As for the original White House blog, the White House has admitted its inaccuracy and apologized.

So what's going on here? Certainly it's possible to debate the issues raised in the film. If AP wanted to commission a review or Oped article, that would be fine. But instead the news agency has published a crude and inaccurate attack masquerading as a news story. Evidently this fact-checking article required its own fact-checker which is often the case with "fact check" articles.

9/4/2012 7:35:44 AM

looks like Eaton Bush has pulled a God

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/blog-post/dinesh-dsouza-fact-checking-aps-fact-check-2016-obamas-america-54491

9/4/2012 11:43:58 AM

Very good professor.
Doesn't change the facts and if you saw the movie you would know which article is correct.

9/4/2012 2:37:20 PM

Can we get suspensions for plagiarism in here?

9/4/2012 3:39:00 PM

LOL. Like you never did it.

9/4/2012 4:34:50 PM

for shame. that's pathetic.

9/4/2012 4:35:42 PM

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"Doesn't change the facts and if you saw the movie you would know which article is correct."

yep, I should go watch that biased movie to get my "facts" right.

9/4/2012 5:10:12 PM

^^^ I can't say that I remember every post I've ever made on this site but I feel reasonably sure I've never ripped off an article defending a movie from the director himself, Only changing the word "I" to "the film" and "my" to the director's name.

9/4/2012 6:20:46 PM

^^There is biased and then there are the facts.
You can't handle the facts.



Yeah, I ripped that off too. For shame.

9/4/2012 7:59:08 PM

What are some of these facts that you recall?

The AP article/ Dsouza's response reference some minor quibbling on who contributed to the debt, and Obama's policy regarding Iran, D'Souza's weird opinion on how Obama views Bin laden, and then some irrelevant observation about the Falkland islands, and meaningless commentary on a bust of Winston Churchill.

It's weird that Obama's mom would bring OBama to the United States to keep him away from his pro-US step-dad. This literally is non-sensical reasoning on D'Souza's part.

D'Souza has been in this game a long time, he's well known, he's not some new, unknown person who's just gotten his break with this movie. He's a hack, on the same level as Limbaugh or Coulter, and I haven't read any analysis or take-aways from this movie (including via people who have seen it in this thread) that make me think this documentary is anything more than more political hackery.

9/4/2012 9:42:48 PM

What D'Souza does is to bring together all of the evidence into a concise explanation of why Obama has made the choices he has about where is has led America and where he will lead us. Because of Obama`s narcissism he wrote a autobiography before he really accomplished anything and D'Souza uses Obama's own words to paint most of the picture. The rest is done through interviews with family, friends and factual documentation of what Obama has done.
If you haven't seen the movie you are choosing not see the truth and understand the man. If you haven't seen the movie there is no chance for any meaningful discussion because all you will do is just say I'm wrong or lying or (fill in the blank)

Facts:
His Dad was an Anti-Colonialist.
Obama had a pretty shitty childhood.
Obama was surrounded by Anti-Colonialists, Communists, radicals and terrorists.
-- You think none of that has an influence on Obama?
More Facts:
Deficit just topped $16 Trillion, over $5.4 since Obama took office.
His administration has not passed a budget and had ZERO votes (R and D) in the House
The unemployment rate has never dipped below 8% since Obama took office
Us Credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever from AAA to AA+


Disprove any of that.
Go see the movie and tell me where it is wrong.
Here is "biased" review that outlines the movie.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/review_2016_obamas_america.html

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"It's weird that Obama's mom would bring OBama to the United States to keep him away from his pro-US step-dad. This literally is non-sensical reasoning on D'Souza's part."

Why is it weird? What do you know about that part of his life?

9/4/2012 10:43:02 PM

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"Facts: His Dad was an Anti-Colonialist."

Lots of people are. Obama didn't know his dad, his dad didn't know Obama.

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"Obama had a pretty shitty childhood."

LOL welcome to humanity?

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"Obama was surrounded by Anti-Colonialists, Communists, radicals and terrorists. -- You think none of that has an influence on Obama?"

This is pretty non-factual. He grew up in Hawaii with his white grandmother who was a bank manager, and went to a predominantly white American private school.

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"More Facts: Deficit just topped $16 Trillion, over $5.4 since Obama took office."

Okay. and?

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"His administration has not passed a budget and had ZERO votes (R and D) in the House "

I can't find any information on this. How has the gov. been running without a budget? Has Congress not submitted a budget to be signed?

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"The unemployment rate has never dipped below 8% since Obama took office"

Yeah, but it's gotten better since he took office. fact: The economy in general has gotten substantially better.

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"Us Credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever from AAA to AA+"

Due to republican brinksmanship manipulating the publics ignorance of what the debt ceiling is.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveschaefer/2011/07/13/moodys-threatens-americas-aaa-credit-rating-blames-debt-deadlock/

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"Disprove any of that."

done.

9/4/2012 11:04:30 PM

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"[quote]It's weird that Obama's mom would bring OBama to the United States to keep him away from his pro-US step-dad. This literally is non-sensical reasoning on D'Souza's part."

Why is it weird? What do you know about that part of his life?[/quote]

What do you mean why is it weird? Does it make sense to take someone away from a single person who might be pro-US to the actual US, where most people are pro-US, to ensure they don't become pro-US?

what do YOU know about that part of his life? What does DSouza know? He never knew Obama or interviewed Obama, or got information that wasn't contained in Obama's book.

9/4/2012 11:06:51 PM

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"I can't find any information on this. How has the gov. been running without a budget? Has Congress not submitted a budget to be signed? "

Then you haven't been looking. They keep passing Continuing Resolution Acts to release funds. Yes, passing budgets is up to Congress but the process start with the President submitting his Requests (wish list). Obama submitted two budget request that were both rejected in Congress. So, a Democrat controlled Congress could not pass a budget and the President could not effectively lead any congress to pass a budget. No matter how you slice it, that is a fail. Why would Obama let this happen?

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"Lots of people are (Anti-colonialists). Obama didn't know his dad, his dad didn't know Obama."

Not entirely true. Have you read or listened to "Dreams of My Father"?

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""Obama had a pretty shitty childhood." LOL welcome to humanity?"

Some are shittier than others. Goes to show what influenced and still influences him.

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"This is pretty non-factual. He grew up in Hawaii with his white grandmother who was a bank manager, and went to a predominantly white American private school."

No they are facts. Tell me what you know about the rest of his family in HI and what about the private school?

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"Okay. and?"

So the growing deficit doesn't bother you? Why would he allow and accelerate its growth?

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"Yeah, but it's gotten better since he took office. fact: The economy in general has gotten substantially better."

You are just flat wrong on this one. Must be nice to live in a bubble.
It peaked at 10% under Obama, never went under 8% as he promised and has risen .3% in the past 3 months. What is your measure of an improving economy? The dollar is weaker, less Americans are working, goods cost more and even the President says this is the worst economy since the Great Depression.

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"Due to republican brinksmanship manipulating the publics ignorance of what the debt ceiling is. (credit downgrade)"

Your article disproved nothing. The rating was and still is downgraded and it has nothing to do with what you state and everything to do with an astronomical deficit.

Your grasping at straws and empirical evidence shows limited and biased experience. You have disproved nothing.

F

9/4/2012 11:45:26 PM

You even graded it an F. Cute.

9/4/2012 11:47:03 PM

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" Does it make sense to take someone away from a single person who might be pro-US to the actual US, where most people are pro-US, to ensure they don't become pro-US?"

Remember, Obama's mother was not Pro US. HI was and is different than the rest of the US and the people that surrounded Barak were not Pro-US. So It made perfect sense to take Barak to HI. The geography doesn't matter. the people that surrounded him did.

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"what do YOU know about that part of his life? What does DSouza know? He never knew Obama or interviewed Obama, or got information that wasn't contained in Obama's book."

Apparently we both know more than you.

9/4/2012 11:52:12 PM

^^^ you don't appear to know what "facts" are.




[Edited on September 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM. Reason : ]

9/4/2012 11:55:12 PM

You show two charts that are incomplete and small in scope.

Corporate profits - What are corporations doing with those profits? That is more important.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/the-economy-stinks-but-at-least-corporate-profits-are-at-60-year-highs/260411/

The jobs chart - So. Unemployment is still going up and 163,000 jobs is a drop in the bucket. There are over 5 million people that have been unemployed for over 27 weeks.
Nice for the chart to leave Asians out of the equations.... then again I guess we are all employed!

9/5/2012 12:23:51 AM

^ so, IOW, things have gotten better under Obama, but there's still more progress to be made.

I accept your concession.

9/5/2012 12:32:09 AM

I didn't concede shit. Your charts dont show the whole picture and don't support his promise to get unemployment below 8%.
Corporate profits in a global economy doesn't mean our economy is better and those same corporations are saving the money to hedge what they see is a worsening economy.

9/5/2012 12:43:21 AM

So, the fact of the matter is that under Obama, the unemployment rate has been dropping steadily, is far better than it has been (like the economy in general in the recession), and was actually below 8% in January, but rather than accepting this fact, you continue to believe in long-time political hack Dinesh dsouza.

Makes sense I guess...

9/5/2012 12:54:27 AM

^wow, seeing the success of his policies in that chart makes that $5.4 trillion in deficit spending seem totally worth it!

9/5/2012 1:17:43 AM

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"I can't find any information on this. How has the gov. been running without a budget?"

there we go! A logical and fair question! I can sense your outrage!

I'll tell you how: frivolous and out-of-control spending

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"Nice for the chart to leave Asians out of the equations"

lol

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ]

9/5/2012 11:03:05 AM

Love ppl bitching about Obama growing up "near and around communists" like they trainned him to be a little commey spy. Lol, it should be well establish that the conservatives are the most hardcore about brain washing and propaganda.

9/5/2012 1:34:32 PM

^^ the asians mess up the curve

9/5/2012 2:14:28 PM

^^Yeah, thats what all the brainwashed Liberals say.

9/5/2012 3:49:14 PM

^ No that's what you say cuz you are a brainwashed conservative trained to say that liberals are brainwashed. The reality is that most libs develop their views not from their parents, but from their own experiences. I would bet that >95% of conservative republicans have conservative parents that pushed those values onto them. Don't deny it, admit it!

Even you right there, typing, prolly come from conservative stock. Am I WRONG?



[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 7:56 PM. Reason : d]

9/5/2012 7:43:52 PM

I don't think eaton bush is actually a conservative. I think he's really just a committed troll. No one can actually be as stupid as he is.

9/5/2012 8:02:04 PM

Well it was a great excuse for a random walter pic. So, whatev.

9/5/2012 8:04:14 PM

I'll allow it.

9/5/2012 8:06:11 PM

moron, I like how all your charts are incomplete and only show the favorable data and only partial time that Obama has been in office.

9/7/2012 12:08:20 PM

here's what a complete graph looks like on the front side of that decline.





[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM. Reason : /]

9/7/2012 12:16:47 PM

prep-e, I like how your chart shows only the 2% unemployment increase under Obama and not the 3% unemployment increase under Bush.

this is like a taxi driver jumping out of his cab while you're in it and screaming LOOK AT HOW RECKLESSLY YOU ARE DRIVING


It's almost as the inflection point occurred on 1/09. Actually, it's plainly obvious from this graph: http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/infographic/us-jobs-report-unemployment/us-jobs-report-unemployment.full.png

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:35 PM. Reason : asdfsadf]

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

9/7/2012 2:33:17 PM

come again?

9/7/2012 2:36:20 PM

^ and ^^ are same graph on unemployment, look at the Oct percentage of each year on the graphs. (except for the debt one but I am sure full metal patriot did not pick data from the CBO in a skewed way for the debt graph.. )

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2012 2:44:02 PM

ITT we blame Obama for the 800,000 jobs per month being lost on the day he took office.

9/7/2012 2:52:11 PM

^^^Yea, the deficits are horrible. I hate that shit.

But you do realize that, at least part of that, is driven by falling revenues from... wait for it... unemployment!? Revenues dropped $400 billion from 08 to 09.

Also, TARP was passed under GWB. Let me say it again: this is like a taxi driver jumping out of his cab while you're in it and screaming LOOK AT HOW RECKLESSLY YOU ARE DRIVING

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM. Reason : asgasdgag]

9/7/2012 3:24:09 PM

"It's like somebody goes to a restaurant, orders a big steak dinner, then just as you're sitting down they leave and accuse you of running up the tab!"

9/7/2012 3:54:35 PM

so you continue to order lobster and run the tab up even more.
Then there are the dessert, coffee and after dinner drinks.

9/9/2012 9:22:57 AM

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"Even you right there, typing, prolly come from conservative stock. Am I WRONG?"

As usual, yes. You are wrong.

9/9/2012 9:25:55 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/11/why-did-obama-use-n-word-to-describe-his-grandfather/

D'Souza is an absolute hack

9/11/2012 4:59:56 PM

Yeah, all presidents are influenced by their family...bush's administration was busy trying to pin something on Iraq because of his daddy instead of addressing the clearly identified alqaeda threat in the summer of 2001...

9/11/2012 8:06:43 PM

^^what's the problem with the article?

9/11/2012 9:54:47 PM

what's really entertaining is that all of the charts posted above are showing trends towards providing a healthier economy. One that is not so volatile and has a slow, but mature, growth and deficit cutting is more effective in the long rung than what bush did. We will always have recessions, but the goal should be to minimize impact on the long term economy.

9/12/2012 12:16:03 PM

^^
A)It's not an article, it's an editorial.
B)The title of the op ed is a question.
C)The question is never answered satisfactorily.
D)Who cares if Obama used the phrase 'house nigger' in a book? He was just mentioning invectives that came to his mind. I can't peek into the minds of every black person in the last 50 years but I doubt he'd be the first to describe another black person thusly.
E)Dinesh's intentions are blatant in his last paragraph and have absolutely nothing to do with the false moral outrage over the use of the word 'nigger.'
F)He used the phrase 'The N-Word.'

for starters.

9/12/2012 1:17:46 PM

Yea seriously what the fuck?

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"We see here a defining Obama trait which contrasts dramatically with the image he portrayed in 2008. "

So your complaint is that Obama flip flopped.... from the time he was 5 to 45? Are you fucking kidding me?

I've never seen someone grasping at straws so badly.

9/12/2012 1:58:41 PM