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11/16/2012 5:45:28 AM

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"So. . .who takes care of you when you're old and senile if you don't have children?"

Dumbest reason to have a kid.

11/16/2012 6:55:19 AM

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"Roflpack All American 1364 Posts user info edit post Someday, yes. Not now."

Yeah fuck being responsible. If I can't make a change in 1 donation then they can worry about it later!

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"Dumbest reason to have a kid."

If you're having a kid for any reason other than to replace yourself as a # on the planet then you're wrong.

'Like mold on a piece of bread'

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11/16/2012 7:27:47 AM

It's not a reason to have children, but it is food for thought if you're childless. This is on my mind because I spent the last years of my grandmother's life caring for her. She out lived her husband by 20 years and both of her children. Without my brother and I, I don't know what she would have done. Though financially well off, you really cannot pay someone to do everything and it takes a lot of initiative to arrange assistance and care. My grandmother could not drive the last ten years of her life, could not write the last five or so, and blind for the last year. Her mind was sharp right up until the end, but she really needed someone to help her manage her business and care. At 90, having outlived everyone, she was lucky to have grandchildren who loved her enough to care with diligence. Who will advocate for you when your spouse is incapable or deceased? It is a relevant question that will need to be answered at some point. Having children doesn't guarantee that there will be someone there, but having immediate family does make answering that question somewhat easier.

11/16/2012 7:43:43 AM

I would never want to burden my children with taking care of me. Saw my mom do it with my grandparents and it was miserable. Selfish, IMO. When I get the to point where I can't take care of myself anymore, I'll put myself in a nice home and think of cool ways to take myself out.

11/16/2012 7:56:20 AM

idk I was raised to do what i want while i can. My father signed a DNR in the hospital 2 years ago because he did pretty much everything he wanted to & could and didn't want to be a burden to anyone else. If I don't have quality of life then I'm not interested.

^I kind of agree, I never plan on killing myself but at some point you have to realize that this place is temporary and whether or not there is anything else out there, you can't hold on forever. I can see how that might be scary or depressing to some people but to me it look like a live it up ticket to me.


Kids are the biggest pollutant on the planet and idk I try to think beyond myself and more towards the permanence of having a child. The responsible thing to do is adopt because somebody who is more ignorant than you, doesn't have an education or the financial means to take care of a child is fucking right now because it feels gud.


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[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 8:04 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2012 7:58:04 AM

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"What are your reasons for not having kids/having them into your forties?"

i've got several reasons

-i don't really like kids
-kids don't fit in the lifestyle i currently live and i'm not willing to give it up
-kids don't fit in the lifestyle i hope to live (primarily early retirement)
-i don't believe that bringing a kid into the current conditions in this world/country is a responsible decision
-we're already overcrowded
-public education sucks and i can't afford a proper education for a child
-i don't care about the future of this country/planet after i'm gone, so the Idiocracy theory doesn't bother me at all
-i just don't feel like i'm missing anything. i'm never sitting at the house and think "damn, i sure wish i had a kid or two around here"

[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 8:07 AM. Reason : i agree with ^ and ^^. exactly how i feel.]

11/16/2012 8:04:49 AM

also I don't want your shitty kids influencing my awesome kids

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11/16/2012 8:10:38 AM

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"What are your reasons for not having kids/having them into your forties?"

We're just honest with ourselves about how selfish we are with our time and money. Neither of us grew up in poverty or in miserable conditions but we're really looking forward to that time in our lives where we're comfortable enough financially to do everything we've always wanted to do. A kid would take that away from us and at the same time, put them through the same type of childhood that we had. The joys of raising a child and having somebody to take care of us when we're older don't make up for that, in our opinion.

My biggest problem is that when people realize how serious we are, they take it as an insult like we're trying to say we're better because we don't (and won't) have a kid and they do. If you really want to have children than that's cool. I'm looking forward to seeing my brothers have children, if they ever get married and do that, but I just know it's not for me.

[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 8:26 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2012 8:25:31 AM

^ This was my opinion until about 2 years ago. Although, we were poor. I signed my paycheck over to my mom as soon as I was old enough to work.

11/16/2012 8:28:02 AM

Uhm, it is possible to be financially comfortable AND have children. They are not mutually exclusive.

11/16/2012 8:47:01 AM

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[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM. Reason : jk]

11/16/2012 8:47:38 AM

if you don't want to have kids - rock on

if you do want to have kids - rock on

to each their own

11/16/2012 8:48:10 AM

^no this is tww and we are going to argue damnit

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11/16/2012 8:48:39 AM

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"Uhm, it is possible to be financially comfortable AND have children. They are not mutually exclusive."

i don't think anyone has said that it isn't possible.

but it certainly isn't possible for me to live the way i do now and live the way i want to live if i have a child.

11/16/2012 8:51:19 AM

I'm one of those folks who cannot wrap their mind around someone choosing to be child free. What the hell do you do with your life if you don't have children? There's like nothing to do or look forward to. Just work and play until you die.

11/16/2012 8:51:56 AM

then there's really no point in trying to explain ourselves to you

11/16/2012 8:53:02 AM

11/16/2012 8:53:39 AM

i can completely understand it at this point in my life... 5 years ago? maybe not.

but having children isn't everything. it's a lot of commitment and work and you're signing yourself up for 18 years (possibly more) of supporting another human being.

that's a massive commitment that not everyone wants to make.

and anyways, our world is overpopulated as it is

11/16/2012 8:54:41 AM

if you honestly can't think of anything to do that doesn't require offspring, then you should probably have kids

i don't have any problem coming up with plenty to do and i don't have to find a sitter or drag a child along while i do it.

11/16/2012 8:56:34 AM

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"I'm one of those folks who cannot wrap their mind around someone choosing to be child free. What the hell do you do with your life if you don't have children? There's like nothing to do or look forward to. Just work and play until you die."

wat?


I honestly don't understand how someone can work 40ish hours a week and raise a kid. I barely have enough time to do the shit I want to do. If I throw taking care of a child into there then that basically sucks any chance I have of doing the shit that I want to do over the next 10 years.

The only thing you look forward to is raising your kids? wat... There is an entire world out there. Go see it.

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11/16/2012 8:58:57 AM

I can think of plenty of stuff to do that doesn't require kids, but what is the point? It's pretty much a pointless existence. You get up, you go to work, you come home, and repeat for 30 some years until you get old and die alone. There's no rhyme or reason or structure to your life. Just endless monotony. At least with children there are milestones, things to look forward to, years of growth and change, and a purpose to what you do other than your own shits and giggles.

^I don't work. My kids and husband are my job. I've also seen enough of the world, thank you.

[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 9:02 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2012 9:00:17 AM

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"I can think of plenty of stuff to do that doesn't require kids, but what is the point?"

It's enjoyable.

11/16/2012 9:02:04 AM

Most of my life goals are not career oriented. The career is basically a means of accomplishing other things without having to be lucky or live in a van with no healthcare for 10 years.

^^I wasn't making a snarky comment at gender roles or anything btw.

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[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2012 9:02:08 AM

lol, my parents tell me the same thing "your life will be meaningless without kids" and i just tell them thats what i'll have nieces and nephews for. all the joys of a kid growing up without the financial burden to keep me from travelling.

11/16/2012 9:03:25 AM

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" a purpose to what you do other than your own shits and giggles. "

11/16/2012 9:04:02 AM

judging someone for or for not wanting children is 100% stupid

if you want kids and can support them, go for it...if you don't want kids, don't

if you want kids and CAN'T support them, you shouldn't have them, either...and so your life sucks, get over it

11/16/2012 9:05:24 AM

I'm not judging. I'm just curious.

11/16/2012 9:05:56 AM

^^^See i don't get that. If i had a kid, then I would do the same shit I'm doing now. So what exactly is the difference? Its not like i'd magically do a better job at work or anything

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11/16/2012 9:06:06 AM

Nobody is in here saying people with kids are fucking stupid. But that's pretty much exactly the response those without kids get from those that do. It's weird to me. Why do you care?

11/16/2012 9:07:40 AM

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"I'm not judging"

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"There's like nothing to do or look forward to. Just work and play until you die."

you're right - you're totally not judging

11/16/2012 9:09:11 AM

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"Just work and play until you die"

Isn't that exactly what kids are? A different type of job you can choose to have? Hate to break it to you, but your attachment to your kids is purely chemical. That is the reason I don't quit my job and baby sit your kids for free for 18 years.

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11/16/2012 9:10:59 AM

i, for one, only care that people with kids can support them

if you're on welfare/stamps/whatever, you shouldn't have kids...i get that everyone has the "right" to reproduce, but that shouldn't be the case if you have to rely on others to make sure you can house/feed/clothe them

not being able to financially support your child(ren) makes you an unfit parent, plain and simple, and you shouldn't have them in the first place

that said, i recognize that simply because you CAN support your children, it doesn't make you a "good" parent

11/16/2012 9:13:34 AM

fuck

[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2012 9:15:59 AM

triple combo breaker

[Edited on November 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2012 9:15:59 AM

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"I'm one of those folks who cannot wrap their mind around someone choosing to be child free. What the hell do you do with your life if you don't have children? There's like nothing to do or look forward to. Just work and play until you die. "

You sound boring as fuck. Did you want to kill yourself before you had kids?? Or was just the prospect of having someone impregnate you enough to keep you going?




On a lighter tone:

I like kids. I'm pretty sure I'll have one or two one day. But I also like my free time...which I don't have enough right now as it is. I'm also financially worrisome. No way I wouldn't be freaking out on a minute-by-minute basis if I had another mouth to feed and take care of. Hopefully my business keeps growing and I'll be able to comfortably afford a kid one day, but I couldn't do it right now (funny that the stay-at-home mom is talking about being able to comfortably afford a kid...MUST BE KILLING YOU ).

I do have a BAD-ASS dog right now. If I leave the house for two minutes and come back, he acts like its the first time he's seen me in 10 years. I didn't think I needed that before I got the dog, but now that I have it, couldn't imagine living without it (I'm sure I'll have a similar reaction with kids).. Add that to my wonderful signficant other...and my life is full at the moment.

I'm glad you enjoy your life...bottomlessbabymaker...but it's definitely not for everyone.

11/16/2012 9:21:21 AM

holy triple post batman

11/16/2012 9:21:51 AM

new work laptop sucks donkey bawls

11/16/2012 9:22:40 AM

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"It's not a reason to have children, but it is food for thought if you're childless. This is on my mind because I spent the last years of my grandmother's life caring for her. She out lived her husband by 20 years and both of her children. Without my brother and I, I don't know what she would have done. Though financially well off, you really cannot pay someone to do everything and it takes a lot of initiative to arrange assistance and care. My grandmother could not drive the last ten years of her life, could not write the last five or so, and blind for the last year. Her mind was sharp right up until the end, but she really needed someone to help her manage her business and care. At 90, having outlived everyone, she was lucky to have grandchildren who loved her enough to care with diligence. Who will advocate for you when your spouse is incapable or deceased? It is a relevant question that will need to be answered at some point. Having children doesn't guarantee that there will be someone there, but having immediate family does make answering that question somewhat easier. "

try some preventative healthcare, and then a shotgun for when you can't wipe your own ass.

11/16/2012 9:26:37 AM

answer my last post pls

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11/16/2012 9:30:04 AM

i don't think you're gonna get one.

11/16/2012 10:24:06 AM

pls

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11/16/2012 10:25:10 AM

"i'm not judging, i just think all your lives are empty and meaningless"

11/16/2012 10:28:23 AM

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"Here's an idea: let's worry about the future of our society as a whole, and educate ALL the children, instead of only worrying about our own snot-nosed kids. Educating your own children is great and all, but you can do a whole lot more good helping an underprivileged kid transcend poverty and lower the birth rate"

And while we are at it, let's eradicate racism, sexism, and create peace in the Middle East.

I applaud your enthusiasm, vinylbandit. I, too, would love to see an educational system that can compel every kid to become great, regardless of their background. However, proper parenting is one of the most deciding factor in kids' success, and it is always easier to educate your own kids. In fact, no matter how noble your intention, some parents just wouldn't want you or anyone else tell them how to educate their kids. Other parents just don't give a fuck at all. The future of our society is dependent on technological development and social change, both of which require proper upbringing as well as access to effective educational system.

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"There are too many people in the world as it is."

And yet there are not enough highly educated people, the kind that will find a way for us to use our limited resources more efficiently and (hopefully) share them in a way that benefits everyone.

11/16/2012 10:47:43 AM

um look at scandinavian countries. they figured it out. it works

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11/16/2012 10:52:36 AM

$america > $norway

11/16/2012 10:53:44 AM

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"What the hell do you do with your life if you don't have children?"

literally anything we damn well please

I actually am really glad your kids are everything your world revolves around and that you're so happy about it that you can't even fathom how other people would want to exist otherwise

but how dare you judge our lifestyle choice as pointless and meaningless

I've heard the same bullshit from people regarding me leading my life without religion too: my life is not meaningless because I decide to live it outside of the confines of breeding and praying

11/16/2012 11:23:37 AM

dear lord, people really just don't know how to read between the lines. I am curious. Not passing judgement. Did I need to preface everything with 'for me'? sensitive much? I'll ask you like I would a child:

what gives your life purpose and meaning ? my children give me a purpose and meaning. I would like to know what gives you purpose and meaning. do you have some other higher purpose?

And no, I wasn't boring before kids. That's why I feel pretty OK about not getting to do what I want when I want with kids.

11/16/2012 12:11:07 PM

No. I believe there is no purpose.

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11/16/2012 12:12:27 PM

See that's the kind of answer I was looking for. A philosophical outlook or different life goal. Not some sensitive defensive rant.

Thank you.

11/16/2012 12:14:22 PM