^

and the kid could buy those tools legally, without a background check.

12/19/2012 3:33:54 PM

yeah, that's not "simple" at all.

12/19/2012 3:35:36 PM

how about this?

http://cons.wonderhowto.com/how-to/break-into-almost-any-gun-safe-with-straws-paper-clips-coat-hangers-and-even-children-0138523/

Quote :

"At the recent DefCon conference in Las Vegas, researchers opened many of the top commercially available gun safes with simple tools like a straw or a paper clip, and in one case, just by shaking it a bit. "

I assume the kid had access to the internet

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 3:38 PM. Reason : a]

12/19/2012 3:36:48 PM

you said "no matter how determined"

i can go to youtube and post a bunch of videos of folks getting into residential security containers with prybars and/or cheap angle grinders if you would like

12/19/2012 3:37:41 PM

Kids don't do internet anymore.

These days they're all about pogs.

12/19/2012 3:38:13 PM

Point being, gun safes are designed to keep out children....not adults.

12/19/2012 3:39:42 PM

So what are we arguing? That there was no use in the woman locking up her guns in a safe?

12/19/2012 3:41:09 PM

yes

12/19/2012 3:41:30 PM

i refuse to stoop to the anti's level and spout off bullshit that's based on public perception and what i saw in a movie instead of facts. you should too.

residential security containers (some of which are commonly called "gun safes" by the general public) protect from children, smash and grab thieves that came unprepared, and fire.

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM. Reason : it might've helped. there's no way to say it would've prevented the crime.]

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 3:51 PM. Reason : adfs]

12/19/2012 3:42:19 PM

It might have helped, but if he had his mind set on killing people he could search google and be into that safe in less than an hour.

12/19/2012 3:44:46 PM

12/19/2012 3:48:20 PM

^^^hey bud, i'm not "anti", as you assume, and i don't think that believing that a safe would be better than no safe. i've got my own, i just think it might have been a good idea to have the guns in safe, since she had a mentally disturbed individual in the house. that's all. we don't know how impulsive this spree was. he might not have done it if he had to go through the trouble of breaking into a safe. we don't know. but it wouldn't have hurt to have the guns a safe. i didn't think that'd be arguable.

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2012 3:49:17 PM

i know you're not anti. i challenged you to not stoop to the anti's level.

Quote :

"Bullet All American 10059 Posts user info edit post ^^what? unless he knew the combination, he wouldn't get into a locked safe, no matter how determined he was. unless he had dynamite. but then he may have just used the dynamite at the school and wouldn't have needed the guns. [Edited on December 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ] 12/19/2012 2:08:02 PM"

so do you agree that this is false?

12/19/2012 3:50:50 PM

ok, ok, it is chit-chat and i was being a little hyperbolic. my bad.

[Edited on December 19, 2012 at 3:52 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2012 3:51:22 PM

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

12/19/2012 3:53:00 PM