2 shitty guitars

3/28/2013 10:24:12 PM

there is actually 3 there boss....

3/28/2013 10:26:43 PM

this thing still have a battery in it?

3/28/2013 10:31:43 PM

i have a cliche' as fuck '94 American Strat. I went the whole nine with "oh god not another one of these" theory.
Starburst orange with rosewood fingerboard.
When i first got it I just put it in it's stand and looked at it for so long i was actually late for work for the second time in my life (the first was a daylight savings mishap. fuck the sun)

3/28/2013 10:35:29 PM

^^ nah I didn't get the Hellraiser, that has the active EMG 81/85 combo; these are '59 Seymour Duncan SH-1N and JB SH-4. So no 9V battery hole, hell this one only has a single cutout in the entire back of the guitar.




[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ^]

3/29/2013 12:04:03 AM

though you will certainly hear and read otherwise, backed up by some somewhat sketchy scientific data, there is a great deal of reason behind playing a visually pleasant instrument. If what you are expressing yourself with feels good, then realistically, and often empirically, your sound will land where you want it.
sweet Lord i get hippie when i drink. but it's true. completely "uneducated" humans know what will give them the voice they want. And I think this bad boy is a good choice.



btw, it is no myth that the longer you play an instrument, the more it sounds like you want it to.
Wood, in particular, (with ferrous impregnation) will tune itself to it's owner over time. thats actually stone fact.

i like your guitar and Im better than you and all but like two people on tww so take my drunken advice and stick with it.

if you sell it ghosts will haunt you if you dont forward this to to fourteen people in 24 hours

3/29/2013 12:14:39 AM

lol thanks man, but I think I am getting a dead spot at the 2nd fret - 5th string...

but I'll take it to Guitar Center and let them have a look, no way I am sending this back unless I have to.




[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 12:21 AM. Reason : 5]

3/29/2013 12:20:37 AM

oh.my.god

3/29/2013 12:24:17 AM

how long til you're playing this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLnYaKadZw

3/29/2013 12:36:19 AM

Make sure you're at he right octave

its easier to miss than you might think

one octave on high carbon strings can contribute or relent up to forty pounds of stress on a neck.

and i dont mean EXACT octave. i just mean mean match your shit to some cookie cutter tone and dollars to doughnuts you'll have your fret problem solved

3/29/2013 12:46:31 AM

it's 5th string 3rd fret, but I heard from most friends to expect to have to have the guitar setup after getting it. They said they have their Gibsons setup (well they do it) after purchasing them.




[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 12:53 AM. Reason : _]

3/29/2013 12:49:24 AM

well other than being patient, i have nothing to tell you.

tune it like it's made of steel, then, tune it like it's made of wood

i'm pretty sure I just paraphrased some famous bassist but the gist is true

yeah i read tabs what of it? I'll crack your skull open with my thumb

3/29/2013 1:45:43 AM

A setup may solve the problem, but if it's only one dead spot, you'll probably need a fret dressing.

3/29/2013 2:02:38 AM

... also true

but i am very angry about it

3/29/2013 2:10:54 AM

Also, if that orange starburst USA Strat mentioned up there is a Plus/Deluxe/Ultra, I'd like you to know that those things are collectible as hell.

3/29/2013 2:12:59 AM

yeah... i know. but as i've sold my pride for money
i still have my dignity.


whidh is also for sale because my mom needs meds on account of obama care




1200 top take it home bid

3/29/2013 2:25:38 AM

3/29/2013 2:29:33 AM

replaced the butt0n with a peg.
only differeence

3/29/2013 2:31:16 AM

stiff neck. rosewood board provodes consistent resisitence

3/29/2013 2:33:39 AM

actually after playing with it some more it's not just one spot, I'd say there are 3 spots down the 5th string.

I'm going to take it to Guitar Center and let them see what they can do, if it is anything too expensive I'll just send it off again

3/29/2013 10:46:43 AM

hate to join the rabble, holmes, but buy american (unless it's a car)

3/29/2013 11:19:36 AM

Not the finish I was thinking of on that Strat. Still nice.

As for the dead string, could be an improperly low saddle caused by cheap metal forming. USA saddles are hand-cut so that's not a problem. Mostly, though, the problem is buying a guitar over the internet. If you like that model and they can't fix it, just have them send you another example of the exact same thing.

3/29/2013 11:59:48 AM

Well Guitar Center is confident it has to do with the guitar being on a plane and the pressure changes + weather changes from the warehouse. They are offering to fix it for at most $60 and get this, Musician's Friend is crediting me $60 to my account for a future purchase. So this is only going to cost me gas/time to get it fixed.

Musician's Friend is like the music worlds NewEgg.


Both places were almost 100% sure it was caused by the truss rod, they said USA makes them cheap so it was good it was Korean


Holmes show me a $390 Brand New USA made guitar that tops this Schecter 2011 C-1 Artist III.








[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM. Reason : _]

3/29/2013 1:39:08 PM

GC/MF are the same company, so they damn well better reimburse you for a repair made to a new, defective instrument.

Truss rods fix problems, not cause them. The weather change caused the problem, but I'd still put money on needing a fret level to fix it and get proper action.

There are closeout Gibsons with P-90s that roll in around $400 new that I'd prefer, but you'd also have to pay me to use a humbucker guitar these days.

3/29/2013 2:30:37 PM

If you ever need real fret work or repairs, I'd recommend Ben Runkle's Guitar Works

3/29/2013 5:25:58 PM

^^ it was a combo of changing the truss rod and saddle height, no problems and I ended up with $35 profit as GC only charged $25.

Also I have coil taps, so humbuckers + single coils


btw I ended up getting a new amp while I was there since they were offering 18 months no interest on a $350 amp:

Fender Super-Champ X2

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fender-super-champ-x2-15w-1x10-tube-guitar-combo-amp




[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 8:38 PM. Reason : _]

3/29/2013 8:33:49 PM

we know what coil taps are you insufferable cunt.

3/29/2013 9:02:11 PM

are yall talking together as a whole now?

if vinylbandit is talking shit about humbuckers in general, he obviously doesn't realize I have coil taps.

BTW, every person at Guitar Center that played my guitar couldn't believe I got it for $390.


It's now time to talk shit about my amp btw (Fender Super-Champ X2), lets hear it. Bring it on motherfuckers!!




[Edited on March 29, 2013 at 9:26 PM. Reason : _]

3/29/2013 9:26:09 PM

The amp is fine. It's a digital modeling amp with a tube power section. It doesn't sound much like a Fender, but it's not really supposed. The only bummer is that they were blowing out the previous version (which is pretty much identical in useful features to the new one) not six months ago for under $200.

Coil tapped humbuckers don't compare to real single coils. Coil taps exist to allow a humbucker guitar to get some semblance of necessary single coil sounds in live situations.

3/29/2013 10:44:06 PM

meh guitar, meh amp, its no wonder you got excited at guitar center when they lavished praise on you.

let me guess, you enjoyed your experience there so much you will probably go back.

now you know why they slobed your knob.

3/29/2013 11:15:12 PM

All I said is the guys at GC who played my guitar all said (3 of them) I got a good value on my guitar (OH SHIT, BIG DEAL) which is what EVERYONE I know who is involved in music either professionally or as a serious hobby has said to me about my C-1 for $390. Anyone who can do a search on pricing could come to that conclusion, it has nothing to do with paying GC $25 to adjust the truss and bridge... oh wait, they slobbed my knob so hard for that $25, since that is all they came out with in profit for me being there.

The amp is on a GC credit card and I have 30 days to tell them I don't want it and I don't get charged a single penny for it or the card, the main reason I "got it" (it is still sitting there in Charlotte) was because the 18 month deal was running out at the end of March and going back to 6 months. I played amps from Orange Tube Heads on Orange cabinets to Vox Hybrid Tube combo amps to Marshall Tubes and that Fender Super-Champ was by far the most versatile for the money offering true tube sound from dual 6V6 tubes + 12AX7 preamp with modern technology (USB 2.0 output) and plenty of sound shaping FX. So I told them to put it on the card and I'd call them back to tell them if I wanted it before the 30 day return was up. Man I got slobed so hard to pay nothing and put something on hold until I decide if I want to pay right now, given my situation lately with cash flow vs. bills!

The only reason I will be going back to that GC is to pick up the amp, IF I decide to get it..



If you can't find detailed fault with either the guitar or amp in a thread that is asking you to do so, meh poster. Who the fuck still says "slobbed the knob", how old are you?



[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 1:35 AM. Reason : _]

3/30/2013 1:30:25 AM

What do you want from this thread?

3/30/2013 1:34:26 AM

to hear valid reasons why to go with another guitar while I can still change (30 days from purchase), but since upgrading from the original one, I have heard zero actual reasons. That is except for, spend 3x as much and get something with a better name on it and/or made in the US.



[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 1:40 AM. Reason : s]

3/30/2013 1:37:31 AM

No one has argued that you didn't get a good deal once you got the set neck model with real pickups.

The only reason, at this point, to get something else is the knowledge that said guitar probably won't be a satisfying instrument in ten years. With that said, in ten years your tastes will have matured and you'll know what you like in electrics, and you probably will have gotten rid of the C-1 anyway.

If you like the digital versatility of that amp, I'd save some cash and get the Vibro Champ XD/X2 instead. The 15 watt Super Champ will never get into nice power tube saturation at comfortable home listening levels, but the 5 watt Vibro Champ will. I should point out that neither really has "true tube sound," because the 12AX7 in these designs is a phase inverter, not a preamp tube.

The only difference in the amps other than price is headroom, something you'll never use if you don't gig, and a 5 watt tube amp is more than appropriate for gigs (I played a show with a '73 Vibro Champ last weekend).

[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 2:06 AM. Reason : 2]

3/30/2013 1:58:19 AM

if that was seriously an issue couldn't I just change out the tubes for a softer set?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/groove-tubes-gold-series-gt-6v6-r-matched-power-tubes/219156000773185

say Medium 4-7 Duet or if it was a real issue drop down to the Low 1-3 Duet

or Medium/Soft Tung-Sol:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/tung-sol-6v6gt-matched-power-tubes

Quote :

" I should point out that neither really has "true tube sound," because the 12AX7 in these designs is a phase inverter, not a preamp tube."

Quote :

"15 Watt tube power amp with two 6V6 tubes, 12AX7 preamp tube, 10 inch Fender Special Design speaker (combo amp), Voicing knob with 16 different amp types (Tweed, Blackface, British, Metal, etc.), Two channels with channel-switching format (optional footswitch available, P/N 0071359000), 15 effects with effects adjust control, TAP tempo control for delay time/modulation rate adjustments, External speaker capability, 1/4” Line output, USB output for use with Fender® FUSE™ editor/librarian software (free download) and ASIO (Win) or Core Audio (Mac) recording software (not included)."

http://www.fender.com/series/vintage-modified/super-champ-x2/


So what are you saying the 12AX7 isn't a Preamp tube? Fender says it is...




[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 2:29 AM. Reason : _]

3/30/2013 2:23:36 AM

In that amp it's a phase inverter. The 12AX7 design is a dual triode that can also function as a preamp tube, a power tube in a very small amplifier, or a reverb driver, among other things.

Power tube matching by "grades" is a fiction. The only tubes that are acceptable production tubes by GT grades are the "medium" range. The rest are essentially out-of-spec tubes that are sold for full price because they don't respond properly to normal bias settings.

Even with a cold bias and an anemic pair of tubes, 15 tube watts is way too loud to use properly at home without an attenuator.

It's also worth noting that a 15 watt amp at peak power can only produce roughly 6 dB more sound pressure than a 5 watt amp. That amount is almost imperceptible; the smallest difference human hearing can detect is ~3 dB.

[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 2:50 AM. Reason : 22]

3/30/2013 2:42:15 AM

If it's only 6 dB between them then I should have no problem fully saturating it vs. the other. Although I noticed some of the other 15-25W Tube Amps had a power step down where you could select a lower wattage, allowing you to turn it up fully without blowing down the house. Also you don't need to give me any power tube lessons, at best I studied Electrical Engineering until I had to leave as a Jr. for my neck pain, at worst I can use Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6V6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12AX7




[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 11:00 AM. Reason : _linkz]

3/30/2013 10:59:54 AM

I fucking hate people that can't acknowledge when someone knows more about a topic than they do

especially when that person is just trying to help

fuck you, BlackDog

I hope your neck pain/pill addiction drives you to suicide

take a bath with that new amp or hang yourself with a guitar string

3/30/2013 11:03:32 AM

Enjoy your PCB amp.

Enjoy paying double for rebadged, out of spec JJ tubes.

3/30/2013 12:37:02 PM

How about you play the fucking guitar for a few years before talking out of your ass.

This is hilarious. When I got my first electric guitar, I played the fucker for days. I didn't brag about how I bought a shitty guitar for two pages on the wolf web.

3/30/2013 12:48:04 PM

Quote :

"Enjoy your PCB amp. Enjoy paying double for rebadged, out of spec JJ tubes."

I haven't even decided if I'm going to go with the amp or not..


to the rest of the responses what drugs are you on or better yet, what do you need to be on? All I was saying is I know how power tubes work, they have been around for a little while... I was only saying that in response to this statement he made "a power tube in a very small amplifier, or a reverb driver". Would you rather I have said, no shit sherlock?

I never said vinylbandit didn't know more than me you dumbasses, especially when I post in the title "FIRST ELECTRIC GUITAR". All I said is I don't need a lesson in the basics of power tubes, it's not a new technology we are talking about here.

Quote :

"When I got my first electric guitar, I played the fucker for days. I didn't brag about how I bought a shitty guitar for two pages on the wolf web."

Yea I've just been bragging my ass off.... I posted the guitar wanting to hear the worst things possible people could say and since I upgraded from the Omen Solo-6, there is really nothing anyone can say in the sub $400 price range, vinylbandit has admitted that. When I am not spending a few minutes checking the boards a few times a day or watching college basketball (or even then) I am playing the guitar you dumb cunt. Also I have been playing guitar for over 7 years, this is just my first ELECTRIC, do you know what that means??? Some people play.... ACOUSTIC!!!






[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM. Reason : _]

3/30/2013 2:17:21 PM

Anyone interested in a 100w solid state Fender M-80 head and matching 4x12 slant cabinet?

3/30/2013 2:25:47 PM

>asks people to give him shit
>gets mad

3/30/2013 2:28:25 PM

^^ PCB AMP!!! GET OUT OF HERE!!!

^ did you read the last 2-3 responses before my last post? Has nothing to do with the guitar or amp

"please commit suicide because you won't admit vinylbandit knows more."



The real question is why did vinylbandit reply to none of this that I said and instead just said "enjoy your PCB amp"

Quote :

"If it's only 6 dB between them then I should have no problem fully saturating it vs. the other. Although I noticed some of the other 15-25W Tube Amps had a power step down where you could select a lower wattage, allowing you to turn it up fully without blowing down the house."

vinylbandit the only amp you have named as a good alternative to the Super-Champ X2 is one that cost triple the price. Where is the level playing field recommendation from your expertise in tube amps?





[Edited on March 30, 2013 at 2:39 PM. Reason : _]

3/30/2013 2:29:54 PM

>posts some irrelevant shit
>wonders why people ignore it

3/30/2013 2:39:55 PM

Quote :

">posts some irrelevant shit >wonders why people ignore it"

3/30/2013 2:40:19 PM

I see an unacceptable number of smudges and amount of lint on this guitar.

It's crap.

3/30/2013 5:20:45 PM

Quote :

"vinylbandit the only amp you have named as a good alternative to the Super-Champ X2 is one that cost triple the price."

Wait, what? I recommended a Vibro Champ XD, which is CHEAPER than the Super Champ line. The only other amp I've mentioned (and not as an alternative) is a silverface Vibro Champ, which can be had in nice playing shape for $350 all day long.

3/30/2013 8:02:51 PM

The only Vibro Champs they make anymore are the Clapton hand wired ones that start at $999 for the 5W model.

Sure you can find some used ones on Ebay or Craigslist, but tubes wear out and tubes break, so I'd rather know my starting point than have to trust a random seller.


I took a 12% off coupon I found online for Guitar Center to Charlotte today and got the Super-Champ X2 for ~$315 (tax incl.) and brought it home with 12 months no interest + 30 days to return it for no cost to restock.

It has stock Groove Tubes all around (not JJ) which come out to $30-$60 for the 2x 6V6 on MF and ~$22 for the 1x12AX7 if they are Gold Series which I believe they are visually, but haven't removed the back to check for sure. So overall not bad tubes from what I have been able to check so far.

I have a question on the 12" speaker. I have a Crate GX65 like I said before and someone put a Celestion Greenback in it. Wouldn't this Greenback be a better speaker than the stock Fender 12"?


vinylbandit, contrary to what any troll has said, I do appreciate your feedback very much as I am extremely new to electric guitars/amps. However I am not new to tube/valve circuitry as I have dealt with hi-fi (and just old) receivers that use them and know their role in circuitry pretty well. From what I've read there is not "a lot" of difference between how they are used in receivers/hi-fi amps vs guitar amps. I'm also big on history and being big into computer/electronics it was only natural that I studied vacuum tubes.



I am interested to try out this Fender Fuse software and see just how much customization it lets you do and how much community content actually exist. If there is a lot of custom FX voices made by people and available to use, that would be awesome. I am well aware of the fact this is no "true" tube amp, I mean it has a damn USB 2.0 jack, lol. However I believe for under $320 w/ tax this offers a great value and sound for someone getting into electric guitar on a medium budget.

BTW, if anyone is looking for a Richard Petty signed 2003 Les Paul, they have one at the Guitar Center in Charlotte on JW Clay Blvd. This is actually it right here: http://www.guitarcenter.com/In-Store-Used-USED-GIBSON-CST-SHOP-RICHARD-PETTY-LES-PAUL-19-OF-43-108300332-i2766799.gc

From a distance the color scheme on the front makes you think it is a Grateful Dead guitar, then you see "The King" across the fretboard.






[Edited on April 1, 2013 at 1:18 AM. Reason : _]

4/1/2013 1:14:59 AM

Quote :

"Sure you can find some used ones on Ebay or Craigslist, but tubes wear out and tubes break, so I'd rather know my starting point than have to trust a random seller."

Fair enough, but there's a reason that 50+ year old Fender amps are still being used on every stage in the world. They're handmade, American amps that are built to take a beating and easy to fix.

Quote :

"It has stock Groove Tubes all around (not JJ) which come out to $30-$60 for the 2x 6V6 on MF and ~$22 for the 1x12AX7 if they are Gold Series which I believe they are visually, but haven't removed the back to check for sure. So overall not bad tubes from what I have been able to check so far."

Groove Tubes is not a manufacturer. They're a front brand that rebadges tubes from other manufacturers with a significant markup depending on format. On top of that, they reduce available information from actual matched tube numbers that come from manufacturers like JJ to the GT "grades" that don't really mean anything. The fact that they sell OUT-OF-SPEC Chinese/Russian tubes as "hard" or "soft" sets is a complete con. GTs are not bad tubes per se, but they're literally other companies' products with a different label.

Note that reputable dealers like thetubestore.com don't even stock Groove Tubes because they stock the manufacturers' brands.

Quote :

"I have a question on the 12" speaker. I have a Crate GX65 like I said before and someone put a Celestion Greenback in it. Wouldn't this Greenback be a better speaker than the stock Fender 12"?"

The Super Champ X2 has a 10" speaker, so you'd need a new baffle board to swap them, but to answer your question as if they were swappable:

Almost certainly, if only because they put cheap speakers in amps like those. When you're dealing with quality speakers vs. quality speakers (say a Greenback vs. a Vintage 30 vs. a Weber) it's a matter of preference of tone. Considering Fender doesn't even list the sensitivity of the stock speaker, the Greenback is preferable.

EDIT: I looked up what GT uses for 6V6s. The 6V6-S that MF sells for $60 a pair is indeed a JJ tube. You can buy a pair of the JJ brand 6V6-S for $30 at the Tube Store. It's literally the exact same tube, not only because Tube Store confirms it, but because the JJ 6V6-S is the only production tube that uses a round-domed envelope on that style of tube.

[Edited on April 1, 2013 at 3:29 AM. Reason : 3]

4/1/2013 3:02:45 AM