Why can't you be a dependent while not living at home? Before you have an established income of your own, I don't see the problem with remaining a dependent, which would mean through college.

4/7/2013 12:52:34 PM

Being claimed as a dependent has no bearing (and shouldn't) on where you should be voting.

Voting isn't about taxes, it's about rights and democracy.

And if a voter is in Raleigh, it makes sense for them to be registered in Raleigh, because political issues affect them there. Not sure what a persons parents taxes have to do with that.

Not to mention we should be encouraging higher education, not deterring in. Conservatives have already pushed to cut research funding federally, mcrory is pushing to cut the unc system, now the conservatives are trying to discourage college attendance. Republicans really are trying to turn things into idiocracy.

Looks like they aren't heeding Jindals call to stop being the stupid party.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 1:16 PM. Reason : ]

4/7/2013 1:13:24 PM

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"nobody is saying they can't register to vote where they go to school, just that their parents can no longer claim them as a dependent if they choose to change their voting district. (rightfully so i might add... closes a tax loophole essentially.) "

Surely you are kidding ... right?

4/7/2013 1:16:16 PM

Taxation and representation go hand in hand. Maybe that concept is what many of you are missing here.

4/7/2013 1:20:32 PM

I can't believe anyone here is stupid enough to bite on this. ITS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to reasonably explain/argue for something that is fundamentally flawed.

4/7/2013 1:23:47 PM

for Smath:
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p501/ar02.html#en_US_2012_publink1000220886

since he seems confused about what a dependent is, education meets the exception for temporary absence

4/7/2013 1:38:33 PM

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"Taxation and representation go hand in hand. Maybe that concept is what many of you are missing here."

Yes, the Republicans want to tax parents for their college kids having representation.

4/7/2013 1:43:00 PM

^^fine, then vote in your home district if you consider yourself temporarily gone. (or just fill out an absentee ballot.)

4/7/2013 1:49:39 PM

then university areas would have large revolving population of people who's interests are not being represented in the district where the large revolving population exists

4/7/2013 1:51:49 PM

how about we get rid of tax breaks for folks who decided to breed? if anything, they should pay more taxes.

4/7/2013 1:54:18 PM

They SPEND more on the offspring and offspring grows up to SPEND and PAY taxes. Your logic is flawed.

4/7/2013 1:55:49 PM

Maybe it would be better if politicians like Renee Elmer's, who hates Muslims and thinks the earth is 5000 years old, represented NCSUs area.

That's fundamentally what conservatives want to happen.

4/7/2013 1:56:30 PM

More of these showing up on facebook:



Also, I would think cities with universities in them are generally proud of that fact and would want to encourage more civic engagement. It's not like the youth vote is overwhelmingly high anyways. It's the senior citizens who aren't going to be around long either whose vote is always overwhelmingly high.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2013 1:56:50 PM

She single?

4/7/2013 1:59:53 PM

why is transience a disqualification for citizenship?

some of YOU PEOPLE just don't GET democracy

4/7/2013 2:02:45 PM

this isn't anything a good old fashioned violent protest can't solve

4/7/2013 2:06:45 PM

I'm waiting for someone to photoshop one of these things.

4/7/2013 2:08:16 PM

I'm not as much a fan of this one because it says republicans specifically. While it might be accurate, I think they should keep this as nonpartisan and as pro-democratic (small d) as possible.



This one's not bad though.

4/7/2013 4:32:58 PM

i get that you are posting those in multiple threads to create a reaction so they will catch on and people will post them on their facebooks...


but they won't, they just aren't very good. so could you knock it off please?

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM. Reason : damn autocorrect]

4/7/2013 4:36:32 PM

Wait, how does this curb the vote? I've voted absentee more times than I've voted in person and have never had a problem.

Also am I the only one who thinks it's a tad ridiculous that college kids can pick where they vote? When I lived in MA but went to school in NY, I had no business voting in NY elections. Of course I didn't, but I shouldn't have even had the option. Maybe if you're living in off campus housing year round at university I can see where you'd be coming from. But registering to vote with a dorm address? C'MON MAN.

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM. Reason : -]

4/7/2013 4:37:15 PM

everything is a conspiracy in the eyes of Supplanter. he is one of the biggest nutjobs on TWW.

4/7/2013 4:42:06 PM

OMG COLLEGE STUDENTS ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THEY WANT

4/7/2013 4:44:10 PM

because universities are places where liberals hold a lot of registration drives and get out the vote drives to register young people who generally agree with them (by a larger percentage). By penalizing people from registering at these drives, you will surpress the vote.

and also, and perhaps more importantly, the districts that hold universities are the most liberal (because as places trend towards being more educated they trend towards being more liberal). By not allowing these large groups of largely liberal students to vote in these districts, you force them to be distributed into safely conservative districts.

what other reason do you think they would be doing this, what do you think the purpose is? propose an explanation

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2013 4:45:21 PM

I'm in agreement with pretty much everyone. it's crazy that college kids are allowed to vote in that district if they aren't even working and their parents are claiming them as dependents. Never really thought of this issue before, glad to see they are doing something about it though.

And anything that suppresses youth voting is good.

4/7/2013 4:53:56 PM

trollololol

4/7/2013 4:55:06 PM

I'm fine with this. You've got a place to vote, so go vote there. Quit fucking up the local elections in towns in which you have no investment whatsoever

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But liberals told us that taxes weren't a punishment. Which one is it, folks? Also, your voice can be heard AT YOUR OWN HOME TOWN. Go there and vote.

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"why is transience a disqualification for citizenship?"

Who is being "disqualified" for citizenship. I don't think you know what that word means.

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"Yes, the Republicans want to tax parents for their college kids having representation."

Based on... Are they saying if a college kid votes then the parent pays more taxes? No. They are saying if a college kid makes it clear they aren't a dependent, then said kid can't be claimed as a dependent. Why is that so illogical to you?

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Really? Taxes are a penalty? What about Obamacare?

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Really? Taxes are a penalty? What about Obamacare?

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No one is being taxed for voting. People are simply saying if you make yourself not a dependent, then no one should be able to claim you as a dependent.

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"What if they still support them, pay for school, their bills, allowance while they are in college? I think that if you actually work while in school and file a W-2 then yes your parents should not be able to claim you."

That's great. Then you are a dependent. And if you are a dependent, then you should be considered to be living in their house. And if you are considered to be living in their house, then you should be voting in the district that represents that house.

4/7/2013 4:58:18 PM

why should it not be based on where you live? isn't that what's local for you?

(in other words, how is it fucking up local elections if you are living there and are being represented by those local officials. you should be voting there, and not in local elections for a place you don't live)

[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM. Reason : .]

4/7/2013 5:13:05 PM

it should be based on where you live. And as a dependent, YOU LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS. It's that simple.

and, how is it fucking local elections? Because you are voting on issues that will last far far far beyond your miniscule time there. Many kids are going to be there for one year, max, yet they'll vote on tax increases while knowing literally NOTHING about the local area. They check the "D" box beside every candidate without knowing anything about them, simply because the voter guy tells them to do so. Democrats in these towns thrive on a perpetually uninformed group of voters to pass things that the rest of the community might not want. To put it bluntly: the voices of those who are informed are drowned out about those who will never be informed, don't care to be informed, and won't be there long enough to be affected by their vote. Why in the fuck should this even be allowed, especially when the students still have a place to vote: their actual homes.

4/7/2013 5:17:47 PM

aaronburro summed it up nicely.

4/7/2013 5:18:02 PM

actually, forgot this was chit chat

so

choooo chooooo, its chggington time!

4/7/2013 5:18:17 PM

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"it should be based on where you live. And as a dependent, YOU LIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS. It's that simple"

nope, you spend most of the time at your liberal communist college

4/7/2013 5:19:48 PM

And? They still have a permanent address elsewhere. Do our soldiers vote in Afghan elections becase though they are spending the majority of their time in Afghanistan?

Students have a place to vote, and they should vote there. Absentee ballots are hardly the most difficult things to fill out. Fill the damned thing out.

Now, if a student purchases a home in the same town as his college, fine, he should vote there, as things like property taxes will actually affect him. But, last time I checked, no student pays property taxes while living in a college dorm. If we want the students to have a voice in the town, which only seems logical, then let the university have a non-voting seat on the town council that is filled by student elections.

4/7/2013 5:25:17 PM

only property owners could vote a few hundred years ago. let's go back to that!

4/7/2013 5:28:17 PM

students have a place to vote, where the register, sometimes at their school

its only logical

and the IRS rules

EVEN HARRISON AGREES!

choooo chooooo

4/7/2013 5:29:54 PM

Actually we should, because, frankly, to own property and keep it, you have to not be fucking stupid and it means you are probably capable of making decent decisions. But that's another debate.

^ and that's fine. They can vote at their school. But, they shouldn't be able to be claimed as a dependent of someone else, then. That seems logical to me.

4/7/2013 5:30:28 PM

Why is it that only Republicans have a problem with students registering where they school and voting?

4/7/2013 5:37:40 PM

And why is it that local Democrats really want students to vote in their elections? It's partisan bullshit on both sides

4/7/2013 5:38:24 PM

why not, they meet the federal exemption in the IRS code

why does being a dependent make a difference, if its really about being a student while "living" back home shouldn't that be what matters and not if they are a dependent? your reasoning is breaking down.

i mean, not even Dr. Gossling can understand your poor logic


chooo choooo

4/7/2013 5:39:33 PM

one side wants people to vote because more people voting makes them win

the other doesn't because people not voting makes them win

which side is better?

i bet Brewster knows, choooo chooooo!


[Edited on April 7, 2013 at 5:43 PM. Reason : chooo choooo]

4/7/2013 5:42:41 PM

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"Actually we should, because, frankly, to own property and keep it, you have to not be fucking stupid and it means you are probably capable of making decent decisions. But that's another debate."

no, there's no debate

4/7/2013 5:47:45 PM

aaronburro is small potatoes

4/7/2013 5:52:56 PM

This dependent argument is dumb. Ask any parent who has a kid in college if their kid is dependent on them....the answer is MOST DEFINITELY!

4/7/2013 5:59:35 PM

in which case they are permanent residents in the district in which their parents live and should vote accordingly.

4/7/2013 6:16:52 PM

There's no right more serious than the right to throw your suggestions into the abyss known as electoral politics.

4/7/2013 6:21:28 PM

Last time I checked, student aid is based on your parent's income and expected contribution to schooling. The federal government expects you to contribute to your child's college fund, but you cannot claim them as a dependent if they want to vote outside your district?

MAKES PERFECT SENSE

4/7/2013 6:30:52 PM

don't worry, once these bills fail, they'll just go back to the tried & true method of gerrymandering to get the results they want

4/7/2013 6:33:06 PM

this thread is funny and not relevant to my interests.

4/7/2013 6:42:31 PM

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"in which case they are permanent residents in the district in which their parents live and should vote accordingly."

bingo.

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"don't worry, once these bills fail, they'll just go back to the tried & true method of gerrymandering to get the results they want"

Yep. it's worked for Mel Watts for years.

4/7/2013 7:40:13 PM

Fuck. I agree with Aaronburro.

I voted absentee when I was in school. It was incredibly easy. If you aren't a permanent resident of an area you shouldn't be voting there. If you are a permanent resident then you aren't really a dependent. It's not a difficult issue. I understand why people are up in arms, but this isn't disenfranchisement, this is trying to get people to only vote in the district where they have their permanent residence.

4/7/2013 7:57:13 PM

why should they vote in a district they don't live, that doesn't make any sense at all. they should vote where they live.

idiot

4/7/2013 7:59:51 PM