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"So you are blaming him for the cops illegally entering?"

lawl at illegally

it's true because the guy with the camera said so

i can tell because of the 1 minute of information available

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5/14/2013 10:34:59 PM

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"I found that video fairly amusing."

"Do not touch her. You are assaulting her"? LOL

5/14/2013 10:46:37 PM

It's up there with "Don't tase me bro!"

Put yourself in the cops' shoes.
You get a call for domestic violence, you don't know the details, you show up and some guy is acting like an asshole, would you just walk away?

After the Cleveland thing, I would not.

If it was a call for noise complaint, then I can see just walking away. But for domestic violence, if I'm a cop, I'm not leaving until I investigate.

5/14/2013 10:52:13 PM

There's more than enough info in the video to incriminate these pigs. Did you guys miss the part where they look through the window? Unless they saw evidence of imminent violence, they entered illegally.

I feel safe in the assumption that cameraman was not actively slapping his wife around with his free hand.

5/14/2013 10:57:21 PM

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"We verbally argued outside on our back porch. Yes admittedly we had gotten loud, but there was NO violence between us, we love and respect each other too much."

I side with the cops on this one.

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"So why was the Taser necessary? The dude was obviously non-violent and posed no danger to the cops or anyone else."

For the same reasons that vet was trained to gain control of a situation entirely before letting his guard down when he was overseas.

5/14/2013 10:59:41 PM

kudos to them for standing up for their rights, but the second the cop entered with weapons pointed at them they should have complied and used their tape and the civil courts to make their point

5/14/2013 10:59:48 PM

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"There's more than enough info in the video to incriminate these pigs. Did you guys miss the part where they look through the window? Unless they saw evidence of imminent violence, they entered illegally. I feel safe in the assumption that cameraman was not actively slapping his wife around with his free hand."

Yeah, because I'm sure no victim has ever been threatened to keep her mouth shut before.

5/14/2013 11:07:04 PM

you're not getting better at this, ya know

I'm not saying do it right now, but give retirement some serious thought

5/14/2013 11:08:47 PM

bbehe is hitting his wife

Now the police can come to your residence and taze you. You're cool with that, right? Guilt before innocence?

5/14/2013 11:12:17 PM

I don't see anything wrong with what the cops did. I'm not a fan of seeing cops use tasers so readily like that, but the guy was given fair warning.

If his story is true, all he had to do was to walk outside with his wife. The cops would have pulled each of them out of earshot of the other to get an account of the story and when the found no evidence of domestic abuse they would have left.

Also, I'm fairly certain that was him screaming, which made this video more humorous than frightening.

5/14/2013 11:12:18 PM

Half the reason there is such a large encroachment on civil liberties is because citizens aren't being respectful and responsible. Neighbors called cops and said that a man and a wife were arguing. Cops respond to the call. Their procedure likely (and any cops on here can correct this if I'm wrong) would have been to separate the individuals, find out what's going on and proceed from there. Would have taken 15 minutes and then everyone could have gone back to their lives.

Asshole citizens forget that when those cops finish their shifts they go back to their families and spend their time in the exact same manner as the rest of us do. They are entrusted with upholding the law so that WE don't have to. People need to respect that shit. Complain about your rights when something real happens. If the cops were bored, just happened to drive up to that house and decide to burst in for no reason, THEN you complain. But those cops were doing their jobs. And by the way, that cop who is leaning up against the window is brave as hell. He has no clue whether someone in that house is going to fire back at him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_o_jOaUkY#t=1m05s

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"bbehe is hitting his wife Now the police can come to your residence and taze you. You're cool with that, right? Guilt before innocence?"

Guilt and innocence are decided in a COURT. The cops' job is to show up and find out if bbehe is really doing that. If not, they're going to talk to you about filing a false police report.

[Edited on May 14, 2013 at 11:14 PM. Reason : jank]

[Edited on May 14, 2013 at 11:14 PM. Reason : adsf]

5/14/2013 11:12:42 PM

that's a terrible suggestion

5/14/2013 11:12:53 PM

If a cop shows up to a house for someone beating their wife, and a guy yells at the cop through a window to leave, and that everything is fine, if that cop leaves, he's an idiot.

It's pretty much the same thing as if a cop gets called for someone getting shot, and when he shows up, someone yells through a window that no one is shot, everything's fine, you wouldn't expect him to take that person at his word and leave.

Based on the video, assuming neighbor reported fighting, the cops did nothing wrong.

5/14/2013 11:50:18 PM

Obviously they had exchanged words with the policemen before the video began. Do you think the cops aren't going to tell them why they've come? "WE'RE THE COPS, LET US IN. BECAUSE WE'RE THE COPS"

5/15/2013 12:08:52 AM

This is interesting.

5/15/2013 12:13:49 AM

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"bbehe is hitting his wife"

5/15/2013 12:16:52 AM

Still, based on what's been presented, I can't say who was right or wrong.

Heck, they might both be right and/or wrong.



Here's how I think shit went down:

An insomniac who FINALLY feels like he can fall asleep is kept awake by his neighbors who happen to actually be opera singers, who happen to also be drug lords. To explain the presence of the other guy, he is simply the final singer to their trio; think the 3 Tenors.

So, they were just rehearsing for their biggest show ever!

I have no idea, but there has to be an opera with violence in it, right?? So they were practicing the shit out of the most violent opera scene ever, that is, until the cops show up.

Of course the cops don't know shit because insomniac neighbor is half asleep when he dials 911 and just promptly tells the poor dispatcher "DAMN, THEY LOUD AS SHIT NEXT DOE'!" and hangs up.

Cops were all on their way to Golden Corral to celebrate the birth of the negotiator's newborn daughter, when lo and behold some douche bags are causing a ruckus on the way. Well, they were all really hungry so they tazed the sucker and had the rookies tote them in their patrol car.

[Edited on May 15, 2013 at 1:34 AM. Reason : grammer]

[Edited on May 15, 2013 at 1:35 AM. Reason : shit, I mean grammar]

5/15/2013 1:32:20 AM

5/15/2013 1:43:05 AM

You should be able to argue with your husband/wife in your house, on your porch, in the street, or wherever. It's an argument. It happens everyday in every relationship.

The cops could have asked if anyone wanted to speak with the police alone. It's clear that no one did. Those of you who aren't greatly disturbed by what's happening in situations like this, with increasing frequency, are very naive. You think it won't happen to you, but one day, something similar will happen to or affect you.

You start by giving a little, or not caring that a little is being taken. Before long, you realize too much has been taken or given up, but at that point it's "just the way things are."

5/15/2013 1:46:25 AM

i feel like patriotism long ago drove us to our freedoms, and now the lack of it is a huge reason why were able to lose them so quickly. i was in a loud argument with my ex a couple of months ago and it happened to be out in front of my house. i didnt need the cops to solve the issue and in was only for a couple of minutes. i felt like it was really trashy but it happened nonetheless. the cops easily could have been called on us but nothing happened. i think my neighbors are pretty understanding people and glad that they are.

5/15/2013 2:18:50 AM

I think many people are missing the way you are supposed to behave. You are not the courts, and do not get to decide when a police officer has exceeded their legal rights. Even in a scenario where a police officer is clearly exceeding their rights under the law, you must comply. If you think a search is illegal, you cannot refuse to let the officer search your car, for example, you can only file a claim later and move to suppress any results of the search.

Here, the couple are apparently claiming that the officers conducted an illegal entry and violated their 4th Amendment rights, but they handled it all wrong. They should have left the door unlocked and simply said I don't give you permission to come in, but if you are coming, do not kick in my door. Then you get down on the ground and comply. Making them kick in the door is just hurting you. And afterwards, you file your claim in court and let them decide. Once the police are in, if you don't comply, you get tazed or manhandled or arrested.

5/15/2013 3:14:09 AM

Yeah, sorry but the police have every right to enter the house. Being able to hear a domestic argument from public earshot is probable cause to enter and investigate.

Virtually every single state has domestic violence laws in place for these kinds of situations, because before they existed, cops would routinely show up to domestic disturbance calls with the assaulted spouse not wanting to press charges purely out of fear of reprisal.

This is a case of common sense and community concern butting heads with the letter of the constitution. If you want to be able to yell and scream and argue, tell your neighbors beforehand so they won't worry about you.

They should have given the police a little bit of respect and understanding, and the whole thing would have been settled in a few minutes. Alternatively, if they had acted like rational adults in the first place, none of this would have happened either.

It's funny how people can go from screaming dickhead to constitutional scholar in a matter of a few minutes.

5/15/2013 4:08:46 AM

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"Yeah, sorry but the police have every right to enter the house. Being able to hear a domestic argument from public earshot is probable cause to enter and investigate."

If the original reason why the police was called out was for noise complaint about a domestic argument, at what criteria would one would figure that spills over to being a domestic abuse situation all because of an overzealous neighbor who is also probably unemployed themselves and had nothing better to do but watch tv during the day and took amiss because they left their window open since it looked like a nice day then heard the ensuing argument next door. It's hard to set such a standard to every situation, especially when we don't know the whole story.

How do we or the cops know if the situation is true or not, tip was valid or not? In any case, the police got called to investigate such manners. They probably pulled up the home owner info, see that he's a vet and probably a registered gun owner and SOP dictates the cops to take a larger side of caution.

I think the situation just got out of hand very quickly and mostly because of the fault of the couple. The second you refuse any communication between two parties, things like this will happen.

I'm all for liberties and freedom, but everyone has this notion that "I'm the exception to the rule" when police comes knocking. Police have their SOP's to follow and unfortunately, how the couple acted is exactly what they probably knew what was going to happen. They just wanted a video of their "being wronged" in the hopes that it goes viral, gain media attention and the possibility of a fat law suit.

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"They should have given the police a little bit of respect and understanding, and the whole thing would have been settled in a few minutes. Alternatively, if they had acted like rational adults in the first place, none of this would have happened either."

+1

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"If his story is true, all he had to do was to walk outside with his wife. The cops would have pulled each of them out of earshot of the other to get an account of the story and when they found no evidence of domestic abuse they would have left."

+1 again

My only complaint is how readily the cops shot the dude with their taser's, but then again, we can't see what's going on behind the camera or what the husband looks like he is about to do (body language as someone mentioned before). The second the cops entered, he should have put the phone down and complied considering weapons were drawn at that point. The sad thing is that the cops followed the SOP to the letter and probably going to be put on leave while it gets investigated themselves. Something stupid like this will cost the tax payers thousands of dollars to figure out and/or rectify when it's all so obvious could have been easily avoided with a few minutes of explaining the situation.

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"Put yourself in the cops' shoes. You get a call for domestic violence, you don't know the details, you show up and some guy is acting like an asshole, would you just walk away? After the Cleveland thing, I would not. If it was a call for noise complaint, then I can see just walking away. But for domestic violence, if I'm a cop, I'm not leaving until I investigate."

Even before the Cleveland thing, SOP would still dictate to investigate.

My only wonder is if the couple's reaction to the situation would have differed if only 2 instead of 3 cops showed up. To me, three cops seemed a bit excessive, but I don't know if that's just SOP for domestic violence calls.

I would probably feel a bit dis-concerning if I was on the couple's side of the situation that that many cops showed up for what would be in my mind a trivial issue. But then again, I would have opened the door and explained my side that they were out there for a trivial issue, constantly apologize for wasting their time and thank them afterwards for doing their job. Pulling out my phone to record, then telling the police I was recording wouldn't even been on my mind.

5/15/2013 6:17:23 AM

Cops seem very comfortable using their taser every time they encounter an inconvenience.

I hope the feds do something about the hundreds of taser murders by cops.

5/15/2013 8:08:29 AM

yeah, they really need rules for tasers. they need to stop considering them non-lethal and acknowledge that they are just less lethal.

5/15/2013 8:39:08 AM

it probably escalated a little too far, but I think the cops did what they thought they needed to.

Imagine how many domestic violence situations they walk in to, only to have the people tell them there's no problem and they need to leave.

What's to say that the female involved in the argument was even the one telling them to go away. I think they had a need to make sure there wasn't a hurt female in the house.

If these people had calmly gone outside to talk to them, it probably would have ended differently.

5/15/2013 9:27:41 AM

Nobody seems to have a problem (at least in this thread) with them entering. It's them electrocuting people after they enter. That shit's ridiculous.

5/15/2013 5:33:55 PM

I have a problem with them entering

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"Imagine how many domestic violence situations they walk in to, only to have the people tell them there's no problem and they need to leave. What's to say that the female involved in the argument was even the one telling them to go away. I think they had a need to make sure there wasn't a hurt female in the house. "

Domestic Violence is a touchy as fuck situation but last time I checked it is innocent until proven guilty not Shoot first ask questions later.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

5/15/2013 5:34:43 PM

But you're really weird, even by TWW standards.

5/15/2013 5:37:52 PM

I hate to give the typical police answer for the less-than-lethal electronic control device and guns drawn question but if there is a lawful reason to forcibly enter a residence, there is no more negotiations; you will comply with directions once inside because the ante has been upped.

5/15/2013 5:45:14 PM

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"It's them electrocutingshocking/tasing people after they enter. That shit's ridiculous."

5/15/2013 8:25:58 PM