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12/11/2013 7:42:49 PM

I was reading through the articles posted back in May

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" Council, who is recovering from his injuries at home..."

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"Council was also injured but has since recovered and is on administrative duty at the jail."

I think we might be underestimating how loud McClain yelled and how hard he waved his hands at the officer. Clearly he assaulted Council with the same ferocity that Bogs beat Andy Dufrane.

[Edited on December 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM. Reason : ]

12/11/2013 8:01:35 PM

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"On the second slam it does kinda look like the inmate is moving or maybe trying to get"

are you high?

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" Council, who is recovering from his injuries at home..."

what, did he pull his back out picking up that much dead weight off the ground?

12/11/2013 8:17:15 PM

Hahaha you guys are funny lol

12/11/2013 8:23:48 PM

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"did he pull his back out picking up that much dead weight off the ground?"

[Edited on December 11, 2013 at 8:34 PM. Reason : There we go]

12/11/2013 8:30:02 PM

I just can't believe you're soberly trying to justify that second slam with some BS about his body moving.

12/11/2013 8:30:28 PM

I am just saying that he does have a small chance to get off.

12/11/2013 8:36:19 PM

I just can't believe that after all these years you don't recognize a troll

12/11/2013 8:36:29 PM

Charge should have been murder.

[Edited on December 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2013 11:12:49 PM

Meh, I imagine that would be pretty difficult to guarantee a conviction.

12/12/2013 12:06:22 AM

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"RALEIGH, N.C. — A Wake County detention officer charged with causing an inmate’s death said in court Wednesday he felt the prisoner was a threat and needed to be subdued. Shon Demetrius McClain, 40, died from blunt force trauma to the head and neck 13 days after prosecutors say he got into a fight with officer Markeith Council. Council, a detention officer at the jail since 2009, is charged with voluntary manslaughter in the case. The defense rested Wednesday, and the jury began deliberation shortly before 4 p.m. Testifying on his own behalf, Council recalled the night he got into an altercation with McClain. Council said he was the only officer in the cell block with 55 inmates when McClain started arguing with him. Council had been passing out sheets to the inmates when McClain accused him of nearly slamming his hand in the cell door. “He talked about how we had too much power,” Council said. “Other inmates were egging him on. I told him not to listen.” About 15 or 20 minutes later, Council said, inmates were out of their cells when a combative McClain approached him again. “I’m telling him that he needs to back up,” Council testified. “Again, I’m telling him don’t let his friends get him in trouble. You could hear these guys saying something to him.” Council said within moments McClain struck him in the jaw, and they began to tussle. The officer tried to handcuff him while keeping an eye on the crowd. “I’ve got to get him off of me and get him secured,” Council said. “I’m worried about what is going on around me. Your mind shuts down and you go to what you know, which is your training.” Council said he didn’t have time to use pepper spray. He called on all available officers and a nurse, and put the block on lockdown. McClain – who had been in custody since May 28 on misdemeanor charges of possession of drug paraphernalia and consuming malt beverage on public property – was taken to WakeMed, where he remained on life support until his death on June 17. Council, who has three children and a baby on the way, said his career goal is to become a prison warden. His wife is a Raleigh police officer. He said he didn’t know McClain prior to that night and “didn’t have a problem” with him. During testimony Tuesday, other inmates said that McClain – who was 5 feet 7 inches tall and 119 pounds – was helpless once he was pinned by the bigger officer. Jurors were shown security video that showed Council slamming McClain to the ground twice. During his cross-examination Wednesday, Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby focused on the physical differences between the men. Council weighs 290 pounds and played football in college. Willoughby asked Council whether he considered subduing McClain by sitting on him, rather than slamming him to the ground. "Why did you throw him down the second time?" the prosecutor asked. "You know that at that point, throwing him down was going to hurt him." Council replied: "I didn't think to hurt him. I was thinking about getting him off of me.""

http://www.wral.com/jail-officer-accused-in-inmate-s-death-felt-threatened-/13205461/


Getting him off of you? He was laying unconscious on the ground when you picked him up.

And you didn't have time for pepper spray? How about after you launched him across the room [before he struck you]? You didn't have time to pull out your pepper spray then?

12/12/2013 3:41:39 PM

In other corrections officer news



http://gawker.com/corrections-officer-brutally-beats-suspect-for-clearing-1481856527

12/12/2013 4:53:31 PM

90 days in jail.

12/12/2013 6:56:16 PM

http://www.wral.com/jury-finds-detention-officer-guilty-in-wake-inmate-s-death/13210913/

12/13/2013 11:28:17 AM

90 days

you've got to be fucking kidding me

12/13/2013 11:35:34 AM

Shameful

12/13/2013 11:37:44 AM

I hope every single one of his fellow inmates know what his job was and why he is locked up.

[Edited on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM. Reason : i don't actually hope that.]

12/13/2013 11:39:17 AM

I'm sure they'll know who he is. I wonder how they'll handle that? Will he be isolated from the general population?

12/13/2013 12:08:27 PM

Wow, people are defending this beating. I don't even...

[Edited on December 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM. Reason : ]

12/13/2013 12:12:42 PM

I am not really defending it, I am just saying his reaction has other contributing factors than just wanting to slam this poor guy.

12/13/2013 12:15:37 PM

Maybe, until he didn't know when to stop

12/13/2013 1:01:58 PM

I wonder how accurate the first part of this comment is...

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"Hey, dontstopnow there is always only one guard in the cell block. They sit at a desk that overlooks the entire block. They don't get involved in altercations, there is a D.R.T. or Detention Response Team for that. The guard was clearly out of his realm and did not handle the situation he may have incited if we could see the 15 secs or 30 secs or 1 minute of video prior to the fatal altercation. The guard was in the wrong AND if according to witnesses he told the deceased he would beat him to death, that shows he intended to kill the inmate, which bumps the charge to murder in the 1st degree. (If you are a non LEO)"

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"Threaten to beat someone to death, carry out the threat, and only get 90 days. Our legal system is broken."

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"As for my opinion on the case, I think the CO is the victim in more than one way. Having to subdue an attacking inmate ALONE in the middle of a ring of 57 other inmates must have been very intimidating, and he should have never been in that situation. It sounds to me like he was put into that situation by both the inmate who attacked him and the Sheriff's Department who left him to fend for himself in that situation. Now, without knowing how he was trained to subdue an attacking inmate when alone and there exists a possibility of being jumped, I can't comment on his level of fault, other than to say the second slam was probably too much... but after finally seeing the video after hearing the story all this time, this appears to me to be a terrible fluke accident. I think he should have never been charged and that WCSO should pay for negligence and the guy get suspended for a while (at max). I'm 100% against police brutality and abuse of power, but this isn't that. - jackleg"

Et Tu, jackleg? Gotta be a different person right?

12/13/2013 1:17:32 PM

[Edited on December 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM. Reason : oops wrong thread]

12/13/2013 1:26:59 PM

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"other contributing factors than just wanting to slam this poor guy"

The majority of the correctional officers that I know while the day away talking about how much they want to harm whatever inmate has their attention that week.
The other correctional officers I know hate every aspect of their job and will die early from the stress.

Yeah there's uh.. only really the two kinds

12/13/2013 2:49:14 PM

His wife is Raleigh police, so I'm sure they'll look out for him. He might not even be placed in general population. He also just killed a guy with his bare hands and got away with it so I doubt anyone will mess with him. With time served, he'll be home in time for Valentines Day, so that'll be nice.

12/13/2013 7:18:17 PM

I'm starting to think that comment ^^^^ really was jackleg

12/21/2013 11:22:50 AM

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"Council weighs 290 pounds and played football in college."

Holy shit he played football? String that motherfucker up.

12/21/2013 12:26:28 PM

^^ it clearly was. he's gone full douche.

12/21/2013 5:51:08 PM

that's me, yeah.

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"^^ it clearly was. he's gone full douche."

oh, no, the internet losers don't worship me anymore, I have to correct this.

[Edited on March 28, 2014 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2014 10:23:21 PM

I'd say someone getting in your face is grounds to go on the offensive (in a defensive manner). The CO shoved the guy back and the guy came back for more. The throws were done in quick succession without realizing what happened after the first. Sucks for the inmate, but you don't really expect anyone to die from body-slamming.

What are you going to do with someone in your face? Wait for him to knock you out in one blow or knee you in the nuts? The inmate's hand was inches from the CO's face with his stupid pointing/gun gestures.

3/28/2014 10:45:10 PM

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"The throws were done in quick succession without realizing what happened after the first."

He picked up a limp body off the ground and slammed said limp body onto its head.

I can't believe you're cosigning that shit.

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"The inmate's hand was inches from the CO's face with his stupid pointing/gun gestures. "

You've got to be trolling here.

3/29/2014 2:09:59 AM

a person putting their hand in your face like that is only doing so to cloud your vision before the strike. Trying to defend that tactic as nonviolent is delusional. The officer shoved the guy away to clear his vision and get a better defensive stance, and the inmate charged back at him.

To the people saying the guard should have pulled pepper spray out when he cleared the inmate off, you should talk to people that have actually used pepper spray in a fight. I've heard several officers tell horror stories of using pepper spray only to either have the ventilation system in a building or a breeze outside push the cloud back on them and having to fight someone while blinded and choking on snot.

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"Maybe, until he didn't know when to stop"

how long did he have between the first slam and the second slam to realize the guy wasn't moving, 5 seconds? and in that time, his first instinct should have been to realize that the inmate was curled around his feet and could have taken him down by wrapping him up.

I don't see why the officer was charged at all other than for Wake County to save face with the public. It sucks that the inmate died, but he should have realized picking a fight with a security guard 3 times his size could have dire consequences.

[Edited on March 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM. Reason : I went back and rewatched it; 2 seconds pass between the slams]

3/29/2014 8:58:12 AM

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"On the second slam it does kinda look like the inmate is moving or maybe trying to get up."

No, it doesn't.

3/29/2014 12:06:58 PM

^^ So you're arguing the second slam, where the guard picked up a limp body off the ground and slammed that body headfirst into the ground wasn't excessive force? The inmate was obviously subdued, you know, because he was knocked the fuck out from being slammed headfirst into the ground the first time. He coulda cuffed him right there.

Regardless of what you think might have been going on in the guard's mind, there is no justification for that second slam.

3/29/2014 12:33:53 PM

i agree with synapse. i can see justification for pushing him back from a tactical sense like ^^^ said, but that second slam is the problem.

3/29/2014 1:50:50 PM

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" I went back and rewatched it; 2 seconds pass between the slams"

sure, 2 seconds between contact with the floor, but the movement to begin the 2nd bodyslam happened immediately.

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"The inmate was obviously subdued"

not obvious, as there was no time given to observe inmate's responsiveness.

No, it doesn't make it right, but "kicking a man while he's down" happens all the time in real life fights. Except this time, the "kick" was unintentionally lethal

3/29/2014 2:18:18 PM

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" but the movement to begin the 2nd bodyslam happened immediately."

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"as there was no time given to observe inmate's responsiveness."

and therein lies the problem.

although i'm sure in the process of picking the dude up to slam him again it should have been apparent that he wasn't moving/responding.

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"but "kicking a man while he's down" happens all the time in real life fights."

i think we can agree this is a completely different set of circumstances.

3/29/2014 5:59:55 PM