http://www.rickglazier.com/today-we-fail-their-test/

7/26/2013 9:26:07 PM

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"To say that NC teachers "haven't had a raise" in five years is to misrepresent our scenario; our pay has been frozen for five years"

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2012-13schedules.pdf

I see, teachers make $30800 for their first 4 years. If you look at older salary schedules, they actually made more throughout the years. Inflation pwnt.

My wife is looking to get out of teaching (and she's a damn good teacher, if I do say so myself), but I'm trying to convince her to stay for the long vacations

7/26/2013 11:00:38 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/27/north-carolina-ends-pay-boosts-for-teacher-master-degrees/

front page of Fox News.

7/27/2013 11:31:44 AM

So teachers have been getting smaller salieries? Or they haven't been getting wage increases? Seems unlikely they'd be lowering people's hourly rate.

7/27/2013 2:57:03 PM

yes teacher salaries are a little bit lower than they were in '06

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2012-13schedules.pdf

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2006-07schedules.pdf

7/27/2013 5:49:23 PM

Ok got it now so a 1st teacher now doesn't make what a first year teacher then made. But if you were hired then your wages haven't gotten smaller just not risen.

7/27/2013 8:21:47 PM

Have you never heard of inflation?

7/27/2013 9:06:16 PM

why yes I have but I'd venture to say tons people in NC haven't had a raise in years yet we're not claiming we're being paid less. I'm not against the teachers FYI I was just curious how they were having their pay reduced which it doesn't sound like it happening to me, but the fact that that same pay doesn't have the same purchasing power doesn't escape me.

7/27/2013 10:19:02 PM

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"yet we're not claiming we're being paid less."

You should be.

7/28/2013 12:00:50 AM

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"make them work every year for short term contracts based on how well the kids do (even if the parents are not involved) "

this terrifies my mom. She works at an alternative high school for troubled youths... at the end of each year she's convinced her contract won't be renewed because of this very issue.

7/28/2013 4:19:05 AM

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"I was just curious how they were having their pay reduced which it doesn't sound like it happening to me"

Getting rid of masters pay is a reduction in salary. So is the increase in the health copay they enacted a year or two ago.

7/28/2013 8:21:22 AM

so if you already have the masters and have been getting paid 40k they're going to back you down to 35k? that would suck.

[Edited on July 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM. Reason : a]

7/29/2013 5:49:19 PM

Theres no way to measure learning. This is how people outside of education have RUINED public education

7/29/2013 8:38:33 PM

^^yes, that's exactly what's happening. unfortunately, the people who pass these bills never vote for themselves to get a pay cut.

^I agree wholeheartedly. unfortunately you can't calculate a monetary ROI in education, but it would be nice if they held ALL factors accountable and not just teachers. I'm looking at YOU, parents. You can't teach your way to success if the parents basically undo everything you did as soon as the kid gets home.

7/30/2013 3:33:53 PM

http://www.wral.com/without-pay-bump-teachers-getting-masters-worry-about-debt/12723110/

7/30/2013 11:45:21 PM

Why doesn't someone go after administrators whose only experience in the classroom is student teaching? Some principals make nearly 6 figures or very close to it, and while there are only 100 supers in this state, they make bank.

Something also not mentioned much is that counties are also cutting their supplemental pay for things such as drivers ed and coaching, which many teachers use to fill the gap their pay leaves.

7/31/2013 7:36:55 AM

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"Some principals make nearly 6 figures or very close to it, and while there are only 100 supers in this state, they make bank."

I'd bet most HS principals do. But the bigger problem is the number of bureaucrats; not their individual salaries. Here's a chart that shows the yearly raises we could've given each teacher if their states' non-teacher Ed employee numbers had only risen proportionally to student growth:



States with "***" have more non-teachers employed by their Depts. of Ed than teachers:



From this report: http://www.edchoice.org/CMSModules/EdChoice/FileLibrary/968/The-School-Staffing-Surge---Decades-of-Employment-Growth-in-America-s-Public-Schools--Part-2.pdf

Mostly due to Federal mandates, I'm sure. I doubt states decided to do this just for the hell of it.

Then think of all the bureaucrats working for Gates/Fordham/Walton/etc... There's a whole lot of money being paid out in the education business-- it's just not getting to people who actually teach.

[Edited on July 31, 2013 at 2:20 PM. Reason : ]

7/31/2013 2:16:58 PM