I wonder what the amount of money is that would be considered enough to live a nice, good life and then compare that to a lot of the executive/ceo pay around the country. I'm pretty sure 27 mil a year is over that.

It comes down to greed, both personal and corporate. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night making that kind of money knowing that my company wasn't paying enough to the people at the bottom.

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:09 PM. Reason : *]

8/29/2013 12:09:35 PM

Well you are not CEO material then.

A lot of rich people donate millions of dollars per year too, so I guess that takes the edge off of making so much monies.

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:11 PM. Reason : /]

8/29/2013 12:10:47 PM

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"I wouldn't be able to sleep at night making that kind of money knowing that my company wasn't paying enough to the people at the bottom."

You'd be surprised how nice a bed $27 million/year can buy

8/29/2013 12:11:06 PM

Depending on the franchise part of that 14% is rent because they own the building. Licensing/service fees really aren't that high(at least in mcd's case) it's the rent.

8/29/2013 12:11:30 PM

^LOL

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:11 PM. Reason : /]

8/29/2013 12:11:45 PM

39 hours in a week is nothing, go get a second job

I worked 60+ hour weeks at 2 part-time jobs to pay my way through school, and I payed out-of-pocket for my own health insurance at the same damn time.

Even as a professional, a 40 hour work week rarely exists in my experience.

8/29/2013 12:13:09 PM

You also have to consider that a lot of people that work for McD's can't get other jobs due to various reasons (Felony convictions, no Diploma/GED, etc). So yeah, it may only be minimum wage, but it's better than nothing.

8/29/2013 12:13:49 PM

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"way to get fired and be even a bigger drain on our country"

Really, you kind of have to be stupid to work nowadays anyhow when you can make more by simply refusing.

8/29/2013 12:15:22 PM

At least MCD is not threatening to shut down like Hostess did LOL. That was a pretty gangsta move on the company's behalf.

8/29/2013 12:15:31 PM

Yeah i don't think being forced to dissolve your company is something businesses do for kicks

8/29/2013 12:16:56 PM

Thats not the point. The point is that those assholes are out of a jobs and aren't skilled enough to get lateral entry into a new position.

8/29/2013 12:18:35 PM

Just heard an interview on NPR with a local lady who is striking. She said she has been working fast food for 15 YEARS! What kind of schmuck works fast food for 15 years and still gets paid minimum wage?

I have a hard time garnering any sympathy for these people.

8/29/2013 12:25:39 PM

This is why we need to have fully automated fast food restaurants.

8/29/2013 12:26:46 PM

People shouldn't aspire to turn a fast-food job into a career, but there should be more opportunities for advances and raises. if you're a loyal worker who's been there for 15 years, you shouldn't be making the same salary that you started on.


[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2013 12:26:53 PM

8/29/2013 12:28:07 PM

everyone's most basic needs (food and shelter) should be provided at no cost by the government

if we're going to bother having a government at least it should provide a modest standard of living to every citizen - otherwise what is the point of living in the most powerful country in the world?

anyone who wants more should work for it

8/29/2013 12:30:25 PM

If you've been working in fast food for 15 years and you're still working the drive-through, you're doing something wrong.

I can't say for sure what supervisors or managers make, but my vague recollection is that it's not bad money.

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason : s]

8/29/2013 12:30:44 PM

the lady who has been there for 15 years with no advancement is exactly the type of employee who is getting cut when the applications start coming in from workers qualified to make $15/hr

8/29/2013 12:35:25 PM

^^ An average McD's GM makes about $40k, and that's being hired from the outside with 3-5 years management experience. I'm not sure how long it would take a "crew member" to work their way up to management.

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 12:41 PM. Reason : a]

8/29/2013 12:39:36 PM

^crew to GM... If they're good 4-5 years or so with classes and training curriculum.

8/29/2013 12:48:04 PM

I think they would be promoted from basic crew to assistant manager, and then plateau out there until a GM spot opened up if the owner deemed them worthy instead of hiring from the outside.

8/29/2013 12:49:26 PM

I think I'm going to pick up a second job as a fucking burger flipper.

8/29/2013 12:53:16 PM

dumbass wage jockeys that don't understand economics. if minimum wages goes to 15/hr, purchasing power decreases because of a little thing called inflation. just wait til you're making 15/hr and the dollar menu becomes the 2 dollar menu, and gas is 7 dollars a gallon

8/29/2013 12:59:21 PM

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"man people really get off on shitting on those who may not be as well of as they are"

lol.

"shut up, pussy."

8/29/2013 1:00:53 PM

lol at dude holding the petey pablo sign. and is that a priest?

8/29/2013 1:12:05 PM

counter-protest:

"Y'ALL AIN'T WORTH SHIT!!!"

8/29/2013 1:15:06 PM

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"dumbass wage jockeys that don't understand economics. if minimum wages goes to 15/hr, purchasing power decreases because of a little thing called inflation. just wait til you're making 15/hr and the dollar menu becomes the 2 dollar menu, and gas is 7 dollars a gallon "

This. And also a 1200 sq ft house cost $700k. Just look at California.

8/29/2013 1:16:47 PM

Dat 190% surplus value of labor

8/29/2013 1:19:43 PM

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"this. Supply and demand you fucking idiots. If you have a job that 90% of people can do just as well as you, don't expect a great wage. People are dumb, but the liberals encourage behavior like this so it's only getting worse."

its not supply unless 90% of people want the job. Also, if no job is paying minimum wage and minimum wage is raised, there won't be a flux of new people for this job because their job will become adequate as well.

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"dumbass wage jockeys that don't understand economics. if minimum wages goes to 15/hr, purchasing power decreases because of a little thing called inflation. just wait til you're making 15/hr and the dollar menu becomes the 2 dollar menu, and gas is 7 dollars a gallon"

we understand economics. we just don't agree with the morality of it. Stealing from poor people, the environment and the developing world are all great economic principles.

Part of this is on the consumer. Stop shoppping/ eating at places that use these good economic practices and shop at places that offer more career based employment and higher salaries. Increasing demand there will mean more jobs at those places.

I rather pay more for whole foods to know that extra money is going to a local farmer, a high-paid cashier, a career stocker, and environmental sustainability as opposed to shopping at walmart to save money that was STOLEN from a sweatshop in china, a factory farm, all of the workers at walmart and the local environmental well-being.

There is no such thing as a 1 dollar burger. You're just stealing the money to pay for the rest of it.

8/29/2013 1:21:33 PM

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"You also have to consider that a lot of people that work for McD's can't get other jobs due to various reasons (Felony convictions, no Diploma/GED, etc)."

A large percentage of their employees have 'flex schedules' (not what they call it, but i remember they had a specific term for it), wherein they don't really have set shift. So you couldn't work first shift at McDonalds and then work second shift somewhere else because they might schedule you at any time.

8/29/2013 1:28:08 PM

Your hourly wage represents how easy it would be to replace you. When you work the drive through at McDonald's, practically any human being tall enough to reach through the window can replace you.

8/29/2013 1:30:48 PM

Again, everyone understands economics. Stop explaining basic economics to people who have recognized the immorality of it.

8/29/2013 1:34:57 PM

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"dumbass wage jockeys that don't understand economics. if minimum wages goes to 15/hr, purchasing power decreases because of a little thing called inflation. just wait til you're making 15/hr and the dollar menu becomes the 2 dollar menu, and gas is 7 dollars a gallon"

Assuming that the "trickle down" theory is correct. One could argue that if these employees were paid more they would spend that money quicker and get it into the economy more efficiently than a millionaire CEO that hides the money overseas and doesn't pay taxes. Also raising minimum wage doesn't cause inflation, it has been raised several times and inflation remained minimal. It could contribute to it, but simply raising minimum wage wouldn't directly cause gas to double in price.

From my point of view, I'd rather the minimum wage be $15 per hour, because those people would move up income tax brackets and pay more taxes(they don't have the means to hide it or get some clever accountant) and that would generate more tax income which is needed, and will help alleviate the tax burden on the middle class(me). So if you ask me, I don't want to pay more taxes and if the rich people pay the poor people more, than they both contribute more to taxes directly or indirectly and that should help me more than our current system where poor people pay nothing, and rich people pay "nothing" and I pay a lot.

8/29/2013 1:36:45 PM

8/29/2013 1:37:22 PM

Quite a few people don't understand basic economics, apparently. It's immoral to pay people for work, and it's moral to prohibit work below a certain price? I don't think you want to make the argument from morality here, I'd stick to the bad economics.

8/29/2013 1:39:07 PM

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"if minimum wages goes to 15/hr, purchasing power decreases because of a little thing called inflation."

Minimum wage workers already make up such a miniscule fraction of the overall purchasing power of the country that even a doubling in their wages would be completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

8/29/2013 1:46:28 PM

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"Also raising minimum wage doesn't cause inflation, it has been raised several times and inflation remained minimal. It could contribute to it, but simply raising minimum wage wouldn't directly cause gas to double in price. "

try doubling the minimum wage and see what that gets you. of course 5.15 to 5.25 is going to have a "minimal" impact. we're talking about fucking doubling it here. that won't just be a blip; there are severe economic consequences for doubling the purchasing power of the lower class

8/29/2013 1:47:50 PM

And honestly, like most fucking things everyone has to be to one extreme or the other.

These people shouldn't make $15 an hour, that is fucking ridiculous. They also shouldn't make $7 an hour, that is fucking ridiculous. Raise it to fucking $10 and get the best of both worlds and lets move on to the next thing that people are going to freak out about without any real understanding on either side of the isle.

8/29/2013 1:48:26 PM

the isle of america?

8/29/2013 1:51:03 PM

I'm not against increasing the mimimum wage, I'm against doubling it for unskilled laborers. tie it to inflation and move on. I haven't gotten a COLA in 4 years and you don't see me striking over it.

8/29/2013 1:51:04 PM

Of course your selective wording makes it sound bad but you are twisting things again.

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"It's immoral to pay people for work,"

NOBODY said that

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"it's moral to prohibit work below a certain price? "

yes but you've worded it as if we're going to prohibit people from working. no , we're going to force employers to pay them more.

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" I'd stick to the bad economics."

these robots see everything in money. theres no value in humanity anymore.

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"try doubling the minimum wage and see what that gets you. of course 5.15 to 5.25 is going to have a "minimal" impact. we're talking about fucking doubling it here. that won't just be a blip; there are severe economic consequences for doubling the purchasing power of the lower class"

in reality, they wouldn't make less, they just pass it off to the consumer. which is also immoral. The only real solution and elephant in the room is to not allow corporations.

8/29/2013 1:52:00 PM

$27 million / 14000 stores = ~$2k/store per year

No one is worth $27millon a year but there are a bunch of jobs worth $8/hr

Obamacare have anything to do with keeping people from working full time?

8/29/2013 1:52:08 PM

^ no. low-level jobs have been pretty consistent over the years about limiting employees to 39 hours to avoid having to provide benefits.

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM. Reason : a]

8/29/2013 1:54:23 PM

no way man

Obamacare was definitely the reason that my employers at a car wash back in 2003 would send me home when I hit 38 hours

thanks, Obama

8/29/2013 2:02:31 PM

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"yes but you've worded it as if we're going to prohibit people from working. no , we're going to force employers to pay them more. "

I'm wording it in a way that is 100% factual. Under your proposed system, would it be legal for me to work for less than minimum wage?

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"these robots see everything in money. theres no value in humanity anymore. "

I'm not the one advocating laws that control who can work and for how much.

8/29/2013 2:05:38 PM

^^Yep, as well as all my employers in High School and College.

THEY SAW THIS SHIT COMING IN THE 90's BRO!!!!

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM. Reason : a]

8/29/2013 2:07:21 PM

if fast food places start paying $15/hour, I'm applying for a part-time job

I'll be all like "here, eat this double bacon cheeseburger... then come take my fitness classes to work off those lbs"

it's win-win for me!

8/29/2013 2:08:11 PM

8/29/2013 2:11:39 PM

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"I'm wording it in a way that is 100% factual. Under your proposed system, would it be legal for me to work for less than minimum wage?"

yes but unfortunately it wouldn't be legal for an employer to pay less

[Edited on August 29, 2013 at 2:14 PM. Reason : paying low not working low]

8/29/2013 2:13:56 PM

8/29/2013 2:15:36 PM