No one wants to ban guns.

4/3/2014 12:24:36 AM

that's not true, lol

4/3/2014 12:28:34 AM

that's not true, lol

4/3/2014 12:36:27 AM

that's not true, lol


There are those who truly do want to ban them, and even confiscate the ones in circulation. From my cold, dead hands, of course, but it's simply false to claim that "no one wants to ban guns."

4/3/2014 12:46:11 AM

This is a military issue. Military created a nut job, military failed at providing proper treatment and removing nut jobs weapons. Military allowed nut job to shoot up base.

I have found myself using the I don't want to get shot excuse when I'm at a mall and my GF refuses to leave.

4/3/2014 6:56:06 AM

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"The soldier's body was found in a parking lot near the First Medical Brigade area, Milley said. His weapon had been bought in the area recently and wasn't registered with the base."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fort-hood-shooting/four-dead-fort-hood-three-victims-plus-gunman-killed-n70276

4/3/2014 8:50:30 AM

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"How often do mass shootings have to happen in this country until someone finally does something about it?"

While I think using military shootings such as this, in your argument for civilian gun control is disingenuous, how many crimes have to occur before you finally realize that it's the person committing the crime, and not an inanimate object?

4/3/2014 9:00:07 AM

This boils down to:

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"Crazies are crazy and do crazy things in crazy ways."

A motivated and intelligent crazy person is going to accomplish their goals one way or another, gun or no gun.

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" how many crimes have to occur before you finally realize that it's the person committing the crime, and not an inanimate object?"

exactly

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM. Reason : ^]

4/3/2014 9:01:33 AM

I don't think those arguing for more firearm restrictions are suggesting that inanimate objects such as guns are prancing around Willy Nilly shooting people.
When I hear their argument, to me they are saying "hey, we shouldnt be giving these crazy people such easy access to tools, such as guns, that ars designed to kill and injure."


I think the real issue is striking the balance between screening out the crazies and those who cannot be trusted from those who are responsible, without infringing on their rights.

4/3/2014 9:11:27 AM

i'm all for gun control, but using statistically insignificant events like this to decide what gun control is needed is a terrible plan. instead, we should base gun control on the 10's of thousands of gun violence victims every year from boring gun crimes that get little attention.

4/3/2014 9:12:54 AM

you mean blacks shooting blacks

4/3/2014 9:14:25 AM

and the mexicans

4/3/2014 9:16:34 AM

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" I hear their argument, to me they are saying "hey, we shouldnt be giving these crazy people such easy access to tools, such as guns, that ars designed to kill and injure.""

Maybe we shouldn't be training robotic killers, sending them to war, bringing them home and giving them the equivalent of Biglots mental healthcare?

4/3/2014 9:17:05 AM

blacks dont shoot mexicans and mexicans use knives

4/3/2014 9:17:33 AM

^^ Mental health is certainly an issue, and should certainly be included in any response to this issue,

But...

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"I think using military shootings such as this, in your argument against civilian gun control is disingenuous..."

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 9:24 AM. Reason : I CAUGHT 3 JEEPINS!]

4/3/2014 9:22:31 AM

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"Maybe we shouldn't be training robotic killers, sending them to war, bringing them home and giving them the equivalent of Biglots mental healthcare?"

So would you rather not train an armed forces, or pay for better mental care?

4/3/2014 9:24:12 AM

I'm not sure what regulation one could gleam out of this? As I understand it, this guy hadn't been adjudicated as mentally impaired or institutionalized, so there was no way for a NICS check to catch him.

^we need less military and more mental health care.

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 9:26 AM. Reason : .]

4/3/2014 9:26:05 AM

Are there a lot of 34 year old E4s?

4/3/2014 9:32:24 AM

If you want a smaller military, safer, with fewer nutjobs, then you kick them out the first fucking time they act the slightest little bit weird.

You know, instead of in every other facet of society where you're more concerned about hurting their feelings.

4/3/2014 9:37:59 AM

when you just assume every shooter is crazy, and blame things on poor mental healthcare, you are just kicking the can down the road and ignoring problems

4/3/2014 9:50:25 AM

Most importantly, CNN will have something else to talk about other than that damn plane.

4/3/2014 9:50:34 AM

wonder if this will be another muslim extremist that has to get covered up as a mental health issue.

4/3/2014 9:52:16 AM

we will "other" them no matter who it is

4/3/2014 9:54:46 AM

Ivan Lopez was an American!


Though history has taught us that people named Ivan cannot be trusted.

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 9:59 AM. Reason : no love, bros]

4/3/2014 9:59:03 AM

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"when you just assume every shooter is crazy, and blame things on poor mental healthcare, you are just kicking the can down the road and ignoring problems"

While I completely agree, in this case, I think the evidence so far is overwhelming that this stems from mental instability, and in many murders and mass shootings, this is the case, or mental instability is at least a contributing factor. Not all, but many. So on the other side of that coin, to ignore the mental health issue is also not the correct path.

4/3/2014 10:09:13 AM

it just happened, you haven't seen any evidence

4/3/2014 10:11:07 AM

So the discussions in the news about this person's troubles and mental issues are all fake?

4/3/2014 11:18:21 AM

the same news that will interrupt regularly scheduled programming to tell you about a piece of debris Courtney Love found on Google Earth? Yeah, that is conjecture--not evidence.

4/3/2014 11:21:13 AM

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"There are those who truly do want to ban them, and even confiscate the ones in circulation. From my cold, dead hands, of course, but it's simply false to claim that "no one wants to ban guns." "

Those people have no real power. they are like the Westboro Baptist church of gun control.

4/3/2014 11:34:24 AM

So I take it you haven't paid attention to the confiscations up north?

4/3/2014 11:35:18 AM

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"so far is overwhelming that this stems from mental instability"

it usually is, no doubt. but I can't understand why people who use this "argument" won't recognize that the crazy person used a gun to kill and injure people. a gun that is designed to easily injure and kill. he didn't use a bat or a knife, and I'd argue that if he did, this wouldn't have been nearly as tragic as it was.

4/3/2014 11:44:25 AM

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"Those people have no real power. they are like the Westboro Baptist church of gun control."

yup

4/3/2014 11:59:20 AM

That's not accurate, either, at the individual level. There are plenty of people of great power and/or influence who take that position. They are certainly not just comprised of inconsequential outliers analogous to WBC.

Now, collectively, do they really have any chance? No, they're significantly overmatched by their ideological opponents and those who disagree for pragmatic reasons, but they'll certainly move as far as they're allowed in that direction, which is one reason I'm rarely inclined to give an inch.


I started to search for some direct quotes from Feinstein (and Bloomberg and McCarthy probably have some good ones, too. I never get tired of the "shoulder thing that goes up" video, anyway). I ended up deleting the ones I compiled, though, because someone else has already collected a sufficient number of them to prove my point, and with audio/video, no less:

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/no-one-wants-to-ban-or-confiscate-guns-huh-these-quotes-from-anti-gun-leaders-say-otherwise/

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 10:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/3/2014 10:47:02 PM

1995 Holder press conference
1995 Feinstein interview
400 year old Ed Koch

4/3/2014 11:10:48 PM

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"it sure does make tons of fucking sense that people check out machine guns from base armories every day, take them out to their cars, and then drive unsupervised to the range every single day, for decades on end without incident...but you can't keep your lawfully concealed handgun in your glovebox (or on your person) on base."

this can't be the only incident of something like this right?

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140408/NEWS05/304080073/Marine-shot-dead-at-Camp-Lejeune-gate-likely-an-accident-officials-say

4/9/2014 11:58:31 AM

whoopsadoodle

4/9/2014 12:02:04 PM