The part I don't get is the NFL's position. He was arrested and his case dealt with according to law. Why does he in effect get fired and barred from getting another job? Yeah, I know, PR, public figure, etc. but it the indefinite suspension seems excessive.

9/10/2014 11:26:13 PM

because of the bad publicity

the same reason his sponsors all ran like hell

9/10/2014 11:31:01 PM

^^I mean, being an abusive criminal seems like a trait that an employer could fire/not hire you for if part of your job was to be a role model/in the public eye. though that is giving the NFL way too much credit.

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"Lot of white knights demanding roger goodell resign. fucking pussies"

you are gross.


[Edited on September 11, 2014 at 12:17 AM. Reason : .]

9/11/2014 12:14:16 AM

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"Well when you say #iwouldleavetoo as though it's some simple matter it's pretty minimizing. ;roll; yourself."

somebody doesn't know what a false binary means...

9/11/2014 1:57:35 AM

yeah i mean your post is pretty confusing. I can't figure out if you're calling her lame for deciding to "marry a man who knocked her unconscious, dragged her body outside of an elevator, and later lied about it to the media" or

9/11/2014 2:05:59 AM

9/11/2014 6:16:35 AM

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"yeah i mean your post is pretty confusing. I can't figure out if you're calling her lame for deciding to "marry a man who knocked her unconscious, dragged her body outside of an elevator, and later lied about it to the media" or"

I'm not really calling her anything. I was pointing out the dumb logic behind the false binary of either #whyistayed/#whyileft an abusive relationship bs floating around on Twitter and some posters on TWW that say things like it's NEVER okay to hit a woman. Obviously it's a lot more complicated than that.

9/11/2014 10:30:32 AM

9/11/2014 11:46:03 AM

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"The part I don't get is the NFL's position. He was arrested and his case dealt with according to law. Why does he in effect get fired and barred from getting another job? Yeah, I know, PR, public figure, etc. but it the indefinite suspension seems excessive."

He can get another job, just not with the NFL for a while, if ever. The same exact thing would happen at most companies. You could go work for a competitor perhaps, but not any branches of the company of which you embarrassed through your personal conduct.

9/11/2014 11:55:46 AM

Suspend this motherfucker for autoplay. I just got fired.

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9/11/2014 12:01:00 PM

The NFL front office looks absolutely stupid in all of this. They suspend Rice for two weeks, say they screwed up, change their rulings stating the penalty for first offenses will now be six week suspensions, and then the day the video gets released they basically kick Rice out of the NFL with no plans to reinstate for a first offense that he was already punished for. Goodell is going to stand by his cover of not seeing the video until it hangs him, and the Baltimore front office is going to get called out for dropping a player that was overpaid for his production last year in a league where running backs are getting cheaper.

I'm expecting Rice to be playing for the Raiders by week 7 and Goodell to be gone by then.

9/11/2014 12:17:16 PM

^ You know nobody is going to pick up Rice for a year...probably two at the minimum. I honestly can't see anyone ever picking him up unless he somehow regains a positive public perception...which I just don't know how that's possible.

Vick was out of the league for two years (a lot of that time spent in jail) and it took a lot for someone to take a flier on him. And he was in a position of need. Good running backs are a dime a dozen...why would you waste time on one that will alienate a large portion of your fans??

9/11/2014 12:31:30 PM

besides that, most people care way more about women than dog fighting.

9/11/2014 1:50:12 PM

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"i like how he drops her head in the middle of the elevator door, does nothing to make sure she is not decapitated by it.......a passer by stopped the door from closing on it."

Is this a serious statement? Do you not know how elevator doors operate?

9/11/2014 3:35:27 PM

haha, i was thinking the same thing

9/11/2014 3:50:55 PM

The league was scared of Vick because of the gambling that goes along with dogfighting, not because they ever gave a shit about animal cruelty. The media spun it to be about animal lovers.

Besides, 97% of Oakland fans assume the bitch had it coming, and they will desparately need a running back by week 4.

9/11/2014 4:12:06 PM

^^^it's not a good idea to chill with your head in the middle of the door... there have indeed been elevator decapitations

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"I was pointing out the dumb logic behind the false binary of either #whyistayed/#whyileft an abusive relationship bs floating around on Twitter"

so you were... attempting to poke holes in a hashtag set that contains women describing how their abusive partners kept them around via abuse, followed by describing how they eventually decided to leave? There's no false binary here, it's people sharing anecdotes, such as "I stayed because I didn't realize he was emotionally abusing me, I left when I eventually did [realize]." I mean I get it if you're saying that because it can be dangerous leave abusive relationships maybe #whyileft leads one to believe that it's easier to leave than it is, but that didn't seem to be your argument. It's still just real, individual stories, and it's not presenting some kind of logical argument that calls for deconstruction.

9/11/2014 4:25:06 PM

you're still missing my point. i don't think women need to justify their reasons for staying or leaving an abusive relationship, to anyone, for any reason. i think condensing really personal information/anecdotes into tweets with hashtags is a little glib for my tastes, but that's just me.

9/11/2014 8:13:46 PM

Hopeful Ray rice can seek help for his anger/violence issues, make a recovery, and be able to pursue his dreams again, one day.



[Edited on September 11, 2014 at 8:40 PM. Reason : ]

9/11/2014 8:40:08 PM

He sucked last year and he's almost 30. The lifespan of an NFL running back on average is like 2 seasons. He's done, and it's not because he cold cocked his girl, it's because he's nearly washed up.

[Edited on September 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM. Reason : i guess he's only 27. but still.]

9/11/2014 8:51:43 PM

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"Hopeful Ray rice can seek help for his anger/violence issues, make a recovery, and be able to pursue his dreams again, one day."

I'm sure the NFL hopes so too. Nobody likes a comeback/overcoming adversity story better than the NFL and all of its corporate sponsors.

9/11/2014 9:18:02 PM

^^
Maybe his actual dream is to be a boxer or something...

9/11/2014 10:55:07 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/motivated-to-win-for-rice-ravens-top-steelers/13975719/

Motivated to win for Rice?

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"Debby Nash was wearing a No. 55 Terrell Suggs jersey while standing outside the players' parking lot before the game. In her view, the Ravens and the NFL were too harsh on Rice. "It was political, everyone protecting themselves," she said. "If I had a Ray Rice jersey, I'd have worn it tonight.""

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""He's still a great guy," wide receiver Torrey Smith said. "Take away those two minutes of his life and he's a model citizen. He's a great person." Rookie linebacker C.J. Mosley said: "Even though he messed up, every man got to go through their mistakes to get better. We wish him the best, but as a team we've just got to keep moving forward.""

9/12/2014 9:52:49 AM

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""I'm making a statement. I don't believe in domestic violence, but I will say: any woman who can hit a man, a man shouldn't have to sit there and take the abuse. The abuse goes both ways...As a woman, she shouldn't have hit him.""

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""I would tell Ray Rice I don't agree with how far he went, but he's human and I support him.""

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""I'm supporting him all the way around. I think he's an awesome guy, I think he's an upstanding guy, and I think he's an awesome football player.""

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""There's two sides to every story. I saw the video. That's their personal business, and it shouldn't have affected his career. I don't agree with domestic violence, but she's still with him, so obviously it wasn't that big of a deal. Everyone should just drop it.""

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""He is a Baltimore Raven always and forever. We make mistakes, we get over them. We don't need America to judge him.""

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""I think it's ridiculous. I think it's a shame that his college has taken down his accomplishments. I think his wife is just as much to blame.""

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"Paul Kilduff, 65, put two pieces of duct tape over the letters "Ray R" on the back of his faded shirt so that it read "Be Nice" instead of "Ray Rice." But the tape kept falling off, so he took off the jersey, then put it back on without the tape while uttering, "Ah, I might as well.""

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""Everybody deserves a second chance," he said, a refrain heard often in the parking lot."

http://deadspin.com/ravens-fans-stand-up-for-ray-rice-1633805476

[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2014 10:16:50 AM

oh lord

9/12/2014 10:18:35 AM

MAXIMUM OUTRAGE ACHIEVED

Getting a Gawker site pissy is as easy as driving past a homeless man on the corner.

9/12/2014 11:04:21 AM

fans gonna fan

9/12/2014 11:15:02 AM

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"you're still missing my point. i don't think women need to justify their reasons for staying or leaving an abusive relationship, to anyone, for any reason. i think condensing really personal information/anecdotes into tweets with hashtags is a little glib for my tastes, but that's just me."

They aren't 'justifying' or making excuses. They're trying to create awareness of the realities of abuse. Which, make no mistake, as proven by the collection of quotes a few posts up, is highly lacking.


[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2014 3:19:07 PM

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"i think condensing really personal information/anecdotes into tweets with hashtags is a little glib for my tastes"

qft

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9/12/2014 3:21:51 PM

yeah, fuck ever using twitter to attempt to help/educate people on some level. twitter is for making jokes, harassing people, and posting pictures of our lunch.

[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2014 3:28:15 PM

Maybe you should tweet about how you don't like my tastes. I don't like social media activism. I don't care if it works (it doesn't). I just don't like it. If that hurts your feelings... okay?

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9/12/2014 3:34:32 PM

my feelings aren't hurt

but on a domestic violence discussion i'm more inclined to listen to scores of women on twitter who claim that it's personally great and helpful for them as individuals than some dude on the wolf web who "doesn't like" when the damned womenz get together and support each other.

9/12/2014 3:41:28 PM

I think it is condescending because it puts the responsibility on the abusee to end their situation. The question shouldn't be "Why don't you leave?" the question should be "Why are you beating your spouse?"

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9/12/2014 3:47:49 PM

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"I don't like social media activism. I don't care if it works (it doesn't)."

I'm pretty sure the ALS will disagree with you on that.

9/12/2014 3:53:10 PM

I think we were referring to 'slacktivism' but I didn't want to use that term. Donating money to a cause is not the same discussion.

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9/12/2014 3:54:38 PM

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"I think it is condescending because it puts the responsibility on the abusee to end their situation. The question shouldn't be "Why don't you leave?" the question should be "Why are you beating your spouse?" "

oy vey, it's not doing that man. That's what the people quoted above from deadspin are doing. "She's still with him, so it's obviously all chill!!!" this is telling those people, "this is why I couldn't just leave," which shows other victims that they aren't crazy and aren't alone.

and yeah, those victims of abuse coming forward with their stories are slack as fuck.

[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2014 3:57:06 PM

The donating money to a cause was a direct link to the social media campaign that ALS launched. Donating money IS the same discussion.

People are using social media to make people aware of issues that happen that tend to not get out on national news. And I find these social media posts preferable to those that hash tag useless shit.

9/12/2014 3:57:41 PM

My problem with slacktivism is that 99% of the time the results are not tangible. Its way to easy for someone to post something get a bunch of likes and then feel good about the difference that they're making. #kony2012

I'm sure there are tons of women's shelters that could use volunteers. Let me know if anyone wants me to refer them to one. Get off your fucking phone and do something if you actually care. Your stupid hashtags will never change society as a whole but there are real people suffering and you have the power to help them even if its only in the smallest way.

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9/12/2014 4:02:33 PM

9/12/2014 4:08:01 PM

What an insufferable little twat.

9/12/2014 4:12:07 PM

Cool so no further arguments from the other side?

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9/12/2014 4:20:58 PM

a group of rich attention-seeking white kids making a movie telling people fuck this kony guy an ocean away with hashtags is about as far as you can get from victims of abuse sharing their actual stories in attempt to reach out to other victims of abuse, some of whom do in fact use twitter. "even if its only in the smallest way." I'm sure many of them also help in other ways, so I'm not sure what the problem is. This isn't a hippie outside whole foods trying to save the whales, this is actual people who have been abused, and you're the one to decree that what they're doing is useless? #SILENCEABUSEVICTIMSTODAY

[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2014 4:21:08 PM

I'm sure a lot more people are aware of who Kony is and what he's doing than were prior to the campagin. And maybe a dozen or two of the thousands of people who learned about it through social media actually did something tangible. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

9/12/2014 4:32:59 PM

Don't get me wrong, I think awareness is important and helps ESPECIALLY in domestic abuse or sexual abuse more so than an international crisis, BUT I think your average person trades 'slacktivism' (i hate this term and 'edutainment' ) for likes and a sense of making a difference. That's all I'm saying. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people who post about this only do so once and only because of a story in the media. This is a real life issue for many people worldwide all year. I think its condescending to cram that into a 144 character message that you send one time and then never post about the issue again.

Why isn't anyone calling for abusers to speak out about how they changed their ways, got help, learned to control their frustration? They don't want to be shamed? get the fuck out of here.

Its all bullshit to make people feel better.

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[Edited on September 12, 2014 at 4:43 PM. Reason : fuck this edit shit]

9/12/2014 4:34:28 PM

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"Its all bullshit to make people feel better."

And what's wrong with making people feel better? Especially abused people?

9/12/2014 5:00:08 PM

I am talking about the twitter poster.

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9/12/2014 5:05:27 PM

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"but on a domestic violence discussion i'm more inclined to listen to scores of women on twitter who claim that it's personally great and helpful for them as individuals than some dude on the wolf web who "doesn't like" when the damned womenz get together and support each other."

listen lady, i think you're vastly overestimating the intellectual prowess of the rabid retweeter. Chill your tits and go back and make me a sammich, m'kay?

9/12/2014 5:23:01 PM

you're pretty hilarious for a misogynist

9/12/2014 9:59:37 PM

My response to all this is basically all the classic old school stuff people used to say when they were looking the other way on their abusive neighbor.

But it really is their business. And some couples get drunk and fight in public--it's what they do. Plus, I dunno...fighting is only exciting when there's a possibility you might get hit back.

So yeah...

9/12/2014 10:33:17 PM

^^ that's an awfully big word for someone who should be getting back to the doing dishes

9/12/2014 10:51:30 PM