What a jackass

5/24/2014 4:11:37 PM

Virgin

5/24/2014 5:09:04 PM

Nice job, worthless dicksuck. You managed to die a virgin, and have 1,000,000x more people think you're an even bigger douchebag than anyone even did before.

At least he never reproduced. They ought to feed his body to the hogs, Hannibal Lecter-style.

5/24/2014 5:18:05 PM

He was such an hero, to take it all away. We miss him so, That you should know, And we honor him this day. He was an hero, to take that shot, to leave us all behind. God do we wish we could take it back, And now he’s on our minds. Mitchell was an hero, to leave us feeling like this, Our minds are rubber, our joints don’t work, Our tears fall into abyss. He was an hero, to take that shot, In life it wasn’t his task, He shouldn’t have had to go that way, before an decade’d past. Now he sits there in my heart, this hero of mine, Always there to make me smile, Make me feel just fine. He had courage,that boy did, courage in his heart. To take that shot, To end his pain, To tear us all apart. But in the end, he died in courage. Lacking, nevermore, He died a hero, Mitchell did, And we’ll love him forevermore. We love you like an brother. We miss you so much. We will always love you, kid. Rest In Peace Mitch

5/24/2014 5:23:40 PM

I was just a couple of miles away when it happened. We're still waiting to find out names of the victims. My parents called me at 5am to make sure I was ok, grandparents followed soon after.

I've been trying to call everyone I know in IV but haven't reached them all yet. This is scary shit.

Quote :

"Santa Barbara literally has the most stuck up tight women in the world."

Lies. This is one of the most laid back chill places I've ever been.

5/24/2014 6:58:06 PM

The original upload may have been baleeted, but you can gaze upon the rest of his warped worldview here at his channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgsBey7KX53-0qm-FSGTOyQ/videos

(also I downloaded the original at 720p just in case it needed to be reuploaded)

5/24/2014 7:07:45 PM

nice work

5/24/2014 7:18:56 PM

dude looks like he probably watched a shitload of anime

5/24/2014 7:42:00 PM

psycho or psychotic.

there is a huge difference in the two.

I dont have all the facts, but Im guessing he is most likely psychotic. most mass shooters have been psychotic. A few, like Eric Harris, were psychopathic.

If he was psychopathic, he most likely would have had much more success with the ladies, since among some psycho traits are charisma, arrogance, charm, confidence, ego-centrism, etc.

In watching his videos, he sounds much more like a Dylan Klebold type of personality, with severe depression, avoidance, delusions, and jealousy.

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 8:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2014 8:02:12 PM

The code words used such as "white kid is mentally ill, black kid is a thug with bad parents" point being brought up a few places is interesting.

5/24/2014 8:15:44 PM

2 sorority girls and a 20 year old male announced as deceased victims.

5/24/2014 8:25:54 PM

Well, the manifesto is something.

He suggests putting all women in concentration camps and starving them to death while he watches from a special tower.

5/24/2014 8:27:18 PM

Started it off by stabbing his 3 roommates to death, or at least 3 males who were at his residence. Yikes.

And listening to this press conference, lucky more weren't killed. 10 different crime scenes.... Geez, then hit a cyclist...

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 8:51 PM. Reason : Sss]

5/24/2014 8:49:35 PM

My girlfriend's apartment is 2 blocks over from one of those scenes. I'm in IV now and the silence is giving me shivers (it's usually one of the loudest party towns in the country)

5/24/2014 9:01:30 PM

That's so eerie. hope you've gotten in touch with everyone you were trying to check on.

5/24/2014 9:17:40 PM

Quote :

"Lies. This is one of the most laid back chill places I've ever been."

both can be true. the girls FROM santa barabara are usually pretty cool but theres a certain mold of girl that goes to school at ucsb that is fake as hell

Quote :

"My girlfriend's apartment"

you're out the game so probably don't get a chance to see this as much.

5/24/2014 10:06:22 PM

red baron 22, I thought that "psycho" (adj.) was short for "psychotic" rather than "psychopathic"

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 10:14 PM. Reason : also IMO Elliot Rodger was both

5/24/2014 10:13:38 PM

I suppose that psycho can mean both, but generally psycho is short for psychopath. Sociopath means the same thing, but most in the field prefer the word psychopath now.

I am not meaning to brag, but I have done EXTENSIVE research on mass shooters, especially school, so Im pretty knowledgeable in this area.

Now its not to say that a psychotic shooter cant exhibit psychopathic traits in planning or executing a shooting (no conscience, no remorse, meticulous planning, no empathy etc) , but their overall psychological profile fits much more into the psychotic realm, (ie delusions, disorganized thought process, hallucinations, depression, suicidal, preoccupations, etc)

To give two stark contrasts of a mass killers behavior during a rampage:

Eric Harris (Psycho) Laughing, Taunting, Mocking Victims, Having Fun, Playing God, Hate, Anger, Superiority Complex, Vengeful

Dylan Klebold (Psychotic) Much more subdued, showed mercy often, seeking approval of Eric the alpha of the dyad, and much more detached.

Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho (Very Psychotic) Blank emotionless stare during rampage, silent, detatched

Another comparison

Eric Harris was in court mandated first offenders counseling for about a year before the shooting. No one had a clue. His counselor thought he was doing great, and that he was remorseful for breaking into a van. He, as a psycho, was a pathological liar and was charismatic and excellent at "impression management", which is a term used when Psychos hide their true nature. He had his counselor totally fooled. In his private journal he had nothing but contempt for the punishment and counseling, and felt the law did not apply to him, but he was great at playing it off.

James Holmes, the psychotic Aurora movie theater shooter told his counselor several times that he was having violent thoughts, fantasies, and plans. I recall he gave the counselor his journal admitting his plans.

Generally speaking, a psycho would never admit their true intentions, whether it is a con or murder. They would lie lie lie and make people think they are charming and perfect.

A self aware person with varying degrees of psychosis may very well seek help if they feel reality slipping away.



[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2014 10:53:22 PM

I think by "conscious" you meant "conscience" and by "diad" you meant "dyad"; anyway thx for the wisdoms

5/24/2014 11:01:05 PM

From the 5 mins I have spent reading/watching on this, it seems like the plot from Rampage (on netflix).

5/24/2014 11:05:44 PM

spelling is not my strong point, and yes you are right

errors corrected, added aditional info

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:09 PM. Reason : , add]

5/24/2014 11:08:20 PM

Quote :

"The code words used such as "white kid is mentally ill, black kid is a thug with bad parents" point being brought up a few places is interesting."

That may be a worthwhile point to discuss, but I think it's also fair to say that the crimes associated with "mentally ill white kid" and with "thuggish black kid with bad parents" aren't really apples to apples.

For whatever reason, black dudes don't pull a whole lot of Jeffrey Dahmer shit. Black dudes have dabbled in mass shooting, but that's mostly the domain of fucking crazy white people, too.



[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:17 PM. Reason : ]

5/24/2014 11:11:37 PM

hey now recommended Rampage to me. I thought it was pretty entertaining.

Which of us is the psychotic and who is the psychopath?

5/24/2014 11:17:55 PM

Mental illness is just one piece of the mass shooter phenomenon.

Most mentally ill people are NOT mass killers, and MOST mass killers ARE mentally ill.

Just like violent video games. Millions play violent video games and most are NOT mass killers, but MOST mass killers ARE obsessed with violent video games. It often falls into the psychotic trait of obsession and preoccupations.

The reason it is usually suburban or rural white kids has a lot to do with the culture script which has been written. Basically, the rampage is now seen as the answer because others have done the same thing before them. Violence is seen as masculine, in various media forms. To a kid who has PERCEIVED that he has been weak marginalized (the key word is perception because most shooters actually were quite popular with friends in their own social circles, but they perceived that they were mistreated and marginalized) than a violent blaze of glory is seen as a way of taking back what they feel is missing.

Generally, marginalized black youth have different culture scripts for hyper masculinity.

This explains a LOT of mass shooters, but not all.

Some are just so psychotically disturbed that they do not have rational reasons.



[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:28 PM. Reason : /]

5/24/2014 11:23:23 PM

There must be just as many crazy black people...you would think it wouldn't be too tough to find one who, you know, felt kind of marginalized. Yet, marginalized crazy black dudes don't generally shoot up public places.

5/24/2014 11:28:18 PM

because being marginalized is part of black culture and something blacks have learned to accept at a young age, you don't get this sort of sense of entitled to a perfect life attitude as often. this kid is thinking, i'm white, smart, have a bmw, go to a top notch school, come from a good family, and still can't get laid so theres no hope. Theres nothing for that kid to dream towards.

5/24/2014 11:31:23 PM

Generally, marginalized black youth have different culture scripts for hyper masculinity.

Not to sound racist, but "thug culture", gangs, ostentatious behavior and dress, hyper sexuality, things like that.

Its not to say that these things dont apply across race or culture, but Im generalizing here.

Also, the reason you see most mass shootings in a school or college is because to a teen or early 20 something, the school is their life. It is the central aspect of their daily life. The school itself is the target, rarely are there specific intended victims. The school itself is the cause of their social ills, or marginalization. The school, youth culture, sports, cliques, socialization, popularity, etc is the root of their perceived misfortune and mistreatment. So attacking the school itself is a way of lashing out against what they feel has wronged them.

Contrary to popular belief, the Columbine killers were not targeting jocks, christians, blacks, popular kids...they were killing indiscriminately. they did not care who they killed. their original plan that did not work was to propane bomb the school, killing everyone even people they liked....the school itself was the target of the rage.

The reason they tend to be rural or suburban is because the school is often the focal point of the community in a small town. people follow the sports teams, people know each other, its a smaller tighter community, and in a small community there is often less options for marginalized youth to be accepted. In a large urban center, there can be more options and more chances for kids to fit in with others like them, with less focus on the school social world

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2014 11:31:27 PM

[Edited on May 24, 2014 at 11:59 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2014 11:59:04 PM

He supposedly had Asperger syndrome. Evidently, he was also a giant narcissist.

One article said he was staying at some independent living type place. So those first three guys he killed may have had disabilities.

^LOL

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 12:00 AM. Reason : ]

5/24/2014 11:59:24 PM

Adam Lanza also had that, as well as many traits of schizophrenia.

Oh......and I have to address the elephant. Bullying. Contrary to popular belief, most school shooters were not bullied. At least not any more than any other kid growing up in school. Being called a name, or being made fun of occasionally does not equate extreme bullying as the media would have you believe. A lot of shooters were actually seen as the bullies by their peers. Or, they acted out such an extreme manner that it brought disapproval by their peers. This is very true of Eric Harris, who would shout nazi crap in school. Getting picked on for acting like a dick does not really equate to bullying.

And my last bit of knowledge for the evening

The reason there are SO many myths, half truths, and false information about these types of mass shooting events is quite simple. In a 24 hour news cycle, the media will flood a scene and begin reporting instantly. Right off the bat during the fog of war, misinformation and speculation are put out over the airwaves. Usually the initial reports are totally wrong. Witness accounts are usually wrong. Interviews are taken as fact "oh yeah, i knew the shooter, he was picked on" "he was a goth kid" "he was a fag" "he was an outcast". This becomes fact in the public mind. To fill the news cycle, talking heads speculate about video games, gun control, bullying, the psychological makeup of the shooter, etc.

After a few weeks, the media circus leaves town and the story fades. It is usually years before the investigations are done and the true facts are released. The media does not cover this, and the myths have already taken hold. I read the Columbine final report, it disproved pretty much EVERY myth about Columbine. I read the Sandy Hook final report, same thing.

Sometimes a little critical thinking and research is needed before assuming something.

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 12:14 AM. Reason : .]

5/25/2014 12:04:00 AM

While I never like to hear about innocent victims getting hurt/killed, I also cant stand purposeful ignorance.

Father of the one of the victims: Why did this have to happen? It's the NRA's fault.

The guy stabbed 3 dudes to death, shot a bunch of people, and ran over several others; I'm waiting to hear about some of the fingerpointing at Oneida and BMW before I'll feel sympathy for him after hearing that.

5/25/2014 12:14:10 AM

that is the sillyest pro gun argument of them all. other things have uses other than killing people. guns are made for one purpose. nobody has to shoot a gun to eat anymore.

5/25/2014 12:30:24 AM

I know that I or anyone else I care about could die at any moment, but it is unsettling to know that it could be by murder for pretty much no reason. The percentage of deaths from these mass murders is pretty low, but the events seem to be becoming much more commonplace. Just disturbing to know that you or someone you care about could be watching a movie in the movie theater or walking down the street and suddenly get killed by some psycho.

5/25/2014 12:33:52 AM

I don't know if the events are being that much more commonplace, as much as the media coverage of them is a lot larger

5/25/2014 12:51:57 AM

Trying to read the manifesto. What a boring asshole.

5/25/2014 12:56:15 AM

Quote :

"I am not part of the human race. Humanity has rejected me. The females of the human species have never wanted to mate with me, so how could I possibly consider myself part of humanity? Humanity has never accepted me among them, and now I know why. I am more than human. I am superior to them all. I am Elliot Rodger... Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent... Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god. Humanity is a disgusting, depraved, and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all. I will purify the world of everything that is wrong with it. On the Day of Retribution, I will truly be a powerful god, punishing everyone I deem to be impure and depraved."

Wow.

5/25/2014 1:20:52 AM

those are the writings of a delusional psychotic. they sound VERY similar to the journals of Dylan Klebold and Seung-Hui Cho.

Eric Harris' journals of a psycho had plenty of superiority complex, god complex, and delusions of grandeur as well, but his personality was that of a psychopath and his superiority was slightly more grounded in reality.

Im so good at this subject, I could teach a fucking class

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 1:29 AM. Reason : ,]

5/25/2014 1:27:04 AM

So I haven't paid attention to this at all, did he shoot randomly or only at hot women

5/25/2014 1:27:05 AM

I have said it before, I'll say it again:

This type of event will become more frequent as kids grow up never learning how to lose. As a whole, we are moving towards everyone wins, telling a each other it's ok to be fair all the time. Then kids grow into young adults, full of emotion, never knowing failure, then an exceptional few do crap like this.

No matter what laws are passed, bad people will find a way to do bad things, we are human, we are flawed.


And thank God I bought ammo yesterday, it's going to skyrocket, $sun prices.

5/25/2014 8:22:16 AM

Let the gun blaiming begin. What law would stop a 22 year old with no record from purchasing a gun?

5/25/2014 9:38:03 AM

The one that makes all guns illegal.

5/25/2014 9:40:51 AM

stop fucking giving these people the coverage and attention they want, stop publishing and reading their manifestos, just ignore them

5/25/2014 9:41:19 AM

he killed more people with a knife and his bmw than he did with his gun.

5/25/2014 9:45:45 AM

what is the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?

5/25/2014 11:02:06 AM

They are basically synonymous. Psychologists and medical use psychopath, social scientists use sociopath. But psychopath is the more accepted term for this type of personality disorder. I recommend Dr. Robert Hare's research on psychopaths and psychopathic traits. He is the leader in the field as far as Im concerned.

Im not saying this Rodgers kid couldn't have been a psycho, but it does not appear that way based on his low self esteem, low confidence, etc. It is absolutely possible for a psychotic killer and a psycho killer to have a superiority complex and to be delusional, but the psycho is generally going to be the one who comes across to others as genuinely confident, well adjusted, normal, and with high self esteem. It is possible for a psychotic to exhibit psycho traits, but their overall personality would not reflect it.

Confidence and self esteem do not equal psycho. Most people are confident and have self esteem and are not psychos. I think like only 1% of all people are labeled as psychos, but like 25% of prison inmates are on the psycho spectrum. The main negative traits of a psycho are: a complete lack of empathy, no remorse for others, extreme selfishness, egocentric, egotistical, no conscience, impulsive, pathological liar etc. But psychos are also very confident, charming, narcissistic, and able to present themselves well. They are genuinely confident because they are so egotistical and narcissistic.


Physiological diagnosis are always on a spectrum and scale. Its not black and white

Id also like to point out that all of my info in this thread is based on my knowledge n research, I have Googled or Wikipediaed NOTHING.



[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

5/25/2014 11:11:46 AM

oh ok. we def. had a psycho at my workplace then...

5/25/2014 11:15:10 AM

This guy seemed to have a strong hatred of women. His ramblings and writings have a recurring theme of people, but women specifically, as objects and personal belongings that should do what he wants them to do. And he seems pretty astonished that these women, with free will and choice, would choose not to be with him....this magnificent being.

[Edited on May 25, 2014 at 11:19 AM. Reason : What a loser ]

5/25/2014 11:19:39 AM

See my edited expanded post above

5/25/2014 11:23:40 AM

Quote :

"Im so good at this subject, I could teach a fucking class"

So you're saying, when it comes to this subject, you are "Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent... Divine"?

Too soon?

5/25/2014 11:40:03 AM

I have just spent a lot of time studying mass shootings and criminal psychology. I have read a loooot of books on this. I have written a lot of papers and reports and research on this. Im not bragging, but this area is my specialty is all.

5/25/2014 11:44:57 AM