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7/24/2014 5:00:39 PM

^^It just seems weird that they wouldn't talk about the bible and religion at Vacation Bible School. Seems like a misnomer.

[Edited on July 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2014 5:03:18 PM

I mean, they still pray and stuff.

7/24/2014 5:09:04 PM

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"It just seems weird that they wouldn't talk about the bible and religion at Vacation Bible School. Seems like a misnomer."

i don't think anyone said that there was no talk of religion or the bible whatsoever...it just isn't the brainwashing indoctrination tool you and others are making it out to be

maybe that's what y'all's was like, or what your friends' VBS experiences were like...but even in some of the more "hardcore" churches, i suspect there's more playing and less preaching than you think, since the camp is run mostly by volunteers, many of whom are a parent of a kid at VBS

the parents don't want to spend all day preaching to their kids any more than the kids want to hear it, they're just glad they have something for their kids to do all day instead of listening to them complain about being bored

seriously, some of you people have a twisted notion of what "church" is like...or, rather, you had some unfortunate experiences...i suspect the vast majority of kids who attend VBS do so without turning to gary birdsong in the brickyard

[Edited on July 24, 2014 at 5:26 PM. Reason : whom]

7/24/2014 5:26:02 PM

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" Bullet All American 17649 Posts user info edit post Quote : "posting shit like that makes you seem like an idiot...and more likely to be the victim of molestation by a priest as a child" and posting shit like that makes you sound like an angry asshole. and it wasn't catholic VBS, btw. Quote : "i'd argue that children who read "too much" fantasy and sci-fi have the same "problem" of not fully understanding the difference between what's real/plausible and what isn't...of course, some people would call that having an imagination and being a fucking 6-year old" Most of these people realize the fantasy stuff isn't real when they get older. However, there are millions in this country (and billions around the world) who still believe in religious fantasy as adults (because they're told as children that religious fantasy is actually real). [Edited on July 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM. Reason : ] 7/24/2014 10:10:37 AM bronco All American 2279 Posts user info edit post ^^lolz [Edited on July 24, 2014 at 10:38 AM. Reason : x] 7/24/2014 10:37:49 AM quagmire02 All American 43425 Posts user info edit post Quote : "and posting shit like that makes you sound like an angry asshole." no, just someone who looks down on people with a college education should be able to refrain from posting a clearly bullshit study simply because it supports their distaste for something they don't agree with Quote : "Most of these people realize the fantasy stuff isn't real when they get older. However, there are millions in this country (and billions around the world) who still believe in religious fantasy as adults." then post a study to that effect, not something ridiculous like pointing out that 5- and 6-year olds who go to church have a greater capacity for using their imagination i could argue that parents who don't take their children to church actively discourage use of a child's imagination and THAT'S why there was a difference...of course, that might not be true, but without some sort of established metric for the "children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school", it's just some dude who thinks religion is dumb who got some money to "prove" there is a difference in children who go to church and those who don't...and only a moron would need a study to know that Quote : "i like how quagmire totally just dismissed the peer-reviewed study because in his heart he knows that kids who read fantasy are just as confused (even though that's entirely contrary to the conclusion of the study)" you're absolutely right...i, for one, will only let my children read non-fiction...the velveteen rabbit will fuck them up too badly Quote : "The biggest difference there is that parents eventually tell their children that fantasy things arent real or things like the easter bunny or santa claus. However, parents and people involved with the church will contine to insist that whatever religious figure they believe in is in fact real and not fantasy." i don't disagree with you at all...at some point, the parent needs to make it clear that religion is a personal choice, to let the child know that it's okay to explore other options (or lack thereof) the problem is the belief by non-believers that since you can't prove it, it's not real...which is still one of the silliest things to me, given that we're constantly proving things we couldn't prove before am i saying the bible happened verbatim? of course not...i'm not even saying that any of it happened, past the most basic structure (stuff happened that folks at the time couldn't explain and they attributed it to a supreme being...also, there was this dude named jesus and he was probably a pretty nice guy) i just don't understand the blanket hate/distaste/disdain/whatever for religion as a whole...and anyone who feels the need to condemn it (especially by citing a study of kindergartners) probably isn't as objective as they'd like to pretend in other news, religion makes kids work harder and more academically successful: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1387820?uid=3739776&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104383412357 http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/20832111?uid=3739776&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104383412357 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10089120 oh, and they're more charitable and compassionate: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1388055?uid=3739776&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104383412357 less likely to kill themselves and others: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3501818 hey, turns out they live longer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15646761 i mean, i can find a studies, too 7/24/2014 10:44:37 AM dtownral All American 12010 Posts user info edit post nu uh, i reject those studies because the holy spirit tells me they are wrong 7/24/2014 10:45:32 AM moron All American 25457 Posts user info edit post My parents made us go, but i now realize this was just because it was free babysitting. 7/24/2014 10:49:24 AM Bullet All American 17649 Posts user info edit post Quote : "then post a study to that effect, not something ridiculous like pointing out that 5- and 6-year olds who go to church have a greater capacity for using their imagination" I have to post a study that shows that there are billions of adults in the world who believe in religious fantasies? that's an accepted fact. Quote : " i don't disagree with you at all...at some point, the parent needs to make it clear that religion is a personal choice, " the same way they make it clear to their child that it's their personal choice if they want to continue to believe and talk to their imaginary friend, or believe and write letters to santa clause, or continue to train to be a jedi knight in hopes of joining the rebels one day? [Edited on July 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ] 7/24/2014 10:53:32 AM quagmire02 All American 43425 Posts user info edit post Quote : "nu uh, i reject those studies because the holy spirit tells me they are wrong" i applaud your attempt to disguise your dismay at discovering that it's not difficult to dispute your view that religion is inherently and uncompromisingly destructive on human life as we know it i'm sure it's hard to find out it's not quite so black and white Quote : "the same way they make it clear to their child that it's their personal choice if they want to continue to believe and talk to their imaginary friend, or believe and write letters to santa clause, or continue to train to be a jedi knight in hopes of joining the rebels one day?" you referenced a study of 5- and 6-year olds...we're not talking about teenagers i'm sorry you don't see a difference...but then, your views are likely as parochial as the views of those you feel you have to criticize [Edited on July 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM. Reason : .] 7/24/2014 10:54:58 AM Bullet All American 17649 Posts user info edit post I apologize for posting the study, although I thought it was relevant to the discussion about VBS. But VBS is indoctrination of religious myths for little kids. Quote : "i'm sorry you don't see a difference" Sorry, but I don't see much of a difference in believing and talking to an imaginary friend and believing in the christian or muslim or hindu or jewish or scientology or ancient greek god(s) or dogma. Quote : "but then, your views are likely as parochial as the views of those you feel you have to criticize " what "views" do you think I might have that are similar to believing in religious myths? [Edited on July 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM. Reason : ] 7/24/2014 11:06:16 AM GrimReap3r All American 2445 Posts user info edit post 7/24/2014 11:11:44 AM begonias warning: not serious 19295 Posts user info edit post I've gone twice, both in elementary school. We had recently moved to NC and nearly all my friends were southern baptist (I was raised catholic). I asked to go so I could be with my friends. 7/24/2014 11:22:34 AM justinh524 EGGXACTLY 8859 Posts user info edit post you should go again 7/24/2014 11:25:55 AM y0willy0 All American 6477 Posts user info edit post hey look how original a thread on a college message board that ridicules religion LETS PILE ON but seriously lol dtownral got dragged all over the god damn place by missionary parents if that doesnt explain his contributions to this thread of his general fucked-up demeanor i dont know what will i wish i knew why bullet was so up in arms though dude used to annoy me but now hes cool (what up bro let it all out) "

7/24/2014 5:36:23 PM

I missed that last part. Thanks!
Not really up in arms, just giving my opinion.

All of you people have been indoctrinated. If you were born in the middle east you'd be a muslim, and if you were born in India you'd be a hindu, and if you were born to Tom Cruise you'd be a Scientologist. You happened to be born in America and sent to VBS and so you're a christian.

7/24/2014 5:42:28 PM

I went to these things when I was a kid...the methodist church across the street and the baptist one down the road. I don't remember them being that heavy on the bible stuff. It was mostly arts and crafts. One year we got to build a magazine rack out of wood with real tools, which impressed me as a kid. it was mostly sand sculptures and shit though. I think my mom kept it all. it was decently fun, they were held in the evenings (6-7:30 or something) and there was usually a cookout or something at the end of the week. being areligious, I didn't buy into their Jesus stuff even at that age, but I thought it was fun. hanging out with friends, building shit, getting free food. it might be worse nowadays, but it was fine for me in the early 90s

7/24/2014 11:05:20 PM

Bttt

Man quagmire02 is an absolute tool.

10/29/2014 4:00:56 PM

I grew up going to Unitarian Universalist summer camp. We learned about all different faiths, smoked weed, and generally had an awesome time.

10/29/2014 6:48:36 PM

"No man can see Me and live!" Said god to Americans.

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10/29/2014 6:50:51 PM