fuck that rases shit clint

8/12/2014 9:10:06 AM

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"Bored younger people full of piss and vinegar fuck things up. Always have. Always will. It should be secondary to this story and not the main coverage like it currently is."

Plus one

8/12/2014 9:23:33 AM

there is so much misinformation on the news about this it's not even funny. The media is reporting that the kid was shot after he surrendered, but two eyewitness accounts say that the kid didn't "put his hands up" until after he'd already been shot the first time. Another witness is claiming that he didn't get shot until after he surrendered.

https://soundcloud.com/bigmike-jr-brown

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 9:43 AM. Reason : this kid's rapping sucks, but his friend Huanchoz is decent. I'm guessing Brown produced it?]

8/12/2014 9:38:14 AM

I really think the focus needs to be on how an unarmed kid the police say may have stolen some gum ended up shot multiple times, 35 feet away from the police cruiser, after he allegedly decided to assault an officer he knew had a gun.
I do not think the focus of this discussion should be on a few individuals who decided to loot stores amongst the confusion.

8/12/2014 9:41:38 AM

the eyewitness reports are actually pretty consistent, they go through how the eyewitness reports play together here:
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/11/5988925/mike-brown-killing-shooting-case-ferguson-police-riots-st-louis

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"What we know about the shooting — Brown was shot multiple times and killed by a Ferguson police officer in the early afternoon of Saturday, August 9, outside an apartment complex. — Brown was unarmed. All shell casings found at the scene were from the police officer's gun. — At least one shot was fired from the police car. Brown was killed while he was standing about 35 feet away from the car."

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"What's in dispute about the shooting — Multiple eyewitness accounts say that Brown was killed while attempting to surrender. — Brown's friend Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown at the time, says that the two of them were walking in the middle of the street when a police car approached, and the officer told them to get on the sidewalk. — Eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw says that Johnson, Brown and the officer got into a verbal confrontation, and the officer attempted to put Brown in the police car. When Brown began to flee, with his hands in the air, she says, the officer got out of the car and started shooting at Brown. (Crenshaw has photos of the shooting, which have been turned over to the police.) —Another eyewitness told the press that the officer was in his car when he started shooting at the boys. (At least one shot was fired from the police car.) — Johnson says that he and Brown started running when they heard the first shot. He told local news station KMOV that the officer "shot again, and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and put his hands in the air. He started to get down and the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and fired several more shots." — Meanwhile, St. Louis County police, who have been called in to investigate Brown's death, say that Brown assaulted the officer before he was killed. St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar told reporters on Sunday that Brown shoved the officer back into the police car, "physically assaulted" him, and attempted to grab the officer's gun. According to Belmar, the officer only began firing at Brown after the assault. How many times Brown was shot — On Sunday, Belmar told reporters that Brown was shot "more than just a couple [times], but I don't think it was many more than that.""

Here is what the closest witness, Michael Brown's friend who was with him, said:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

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"About 20 minutes before the shooting, Johnson said he saw Brown walking down the street and decided to catch up with him. The two walked and talked. That’s when Johnson says they saw the police car rolling up to them. The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.” After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them. Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck. “I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.” “They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’” At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun. “I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.” A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off. “I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.” Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body. “The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted. Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past. “Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him. Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!” By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position. “After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot."

8/12/2014 9:43:55 AM

that statement from his friend has been coached to death by his lawyer.

8/12/2014 9:52:10 AM

The looting is a small% of the protesters and is a bigger problem that deals with the disenfranchised poor in this country who have been given no chance. This is a 3rd world country for them.

8/12/2014 10:25:19 AM

I wish the black folk would get this upset about the hundreds of black-on-black murders each month in this country

8/12/2014 11:01:50 AM

why don't them goddamn moderate muslims stand-up do them goddamn extremist muslims!

8/12/2014 11:04:36 AM

No wonder we love israel so much. They were made in our image.

8/12/2014 11:06:05 AM

like Israel, the US supported apartheid into the 80's

8/12/2014 11:10:22 AM

I'm really finding these #Iftheygunnedmedown tweets to be entertaining

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ]

8/12/2014 11:23:03 AM

If he was killed 35' away from the car doesn't that instantly discredit the officers's account of the situation?

And if the friends testimony is accurate it seems like it'd be easy to find evidence corroborating or disproving it.

8/12/2014 11:55:51 AM

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"that statement from his friend has been coached to death by his lawyer."

so? even it that's the case, how does it matter? that's kind of what lawyers are for.

8/12/2014 12:04:45 PM

It would matter if it was a fabrication of the truth. If it's mostly truth, then it doesn't really matter if it's coached.

8/12/2014 12:08:23 PM

also pretty telling that the police have yet to interview/question his friend who was there as it happened

8/12/2014 12:15:09 PM

What is likely the real cause of this is the (fairly new) style of police encounters that have been normalized by the spread of SWAT teams ect where the officer approaches with a drawn weapon pointed at the vitals of...whoever it is they're talking to.

This didn't happen overnight and a LOT of old-schoolers still refuse to point a loaded weapon at someone who does not knowingly present a lethal threat to anyone.

Unfortunately "a drawn weapon is now part of the uniform".

It presents an immeasurable jump in hostility in the escalation scenario.

Plus it's stupid and dangerous as all fuck and I'd condone a family murdering the shit out of someone who killed one of their kin by doing it

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM. Reason : a]

8/12/2014 12:16:34 PM

^^ would they be doing any interviews? I thought the FBI has taken over the investigation, and if he has a lawyer, it seems he's probably covered.

^ If the friends' story is close to true, it sounds like this cop was just really, really crooked. He just severely stereotyped this kid as someone who deserved to die, and made that happen.

If I were to point a finger at anything, it would be the growing poverty in America, that has disproportionately impacted black neighborhoods (40%+ in some areas), and the former lower middle class whites, combined with the US being one of the worst industrialized nations for income mobility. You have to imagine to people in these communities, who are watching stock prices rise and seeing companies making record profits, this feels like oppression, and oppressed people are going to become angsty, no matter who they are.

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 1:03 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2014 12:50:05 PM

pretty sure the FBI are doing their own investigation, independent of the police departments

and the questioning should have been immediately after, before the FBI got involved

8/12/2014 1:07:58 PM

http://mic.com/articles/95998/days-after-michael-brown-s-death-ferguson-looks-like-a-war-zone

8/12/2014 1:08:02 PM

we are going to see more and more civil disruptions like this, from across the country, before it gets better

8/12/2014 1:12:05 PM

This is sad and all, but Robin Williams' suicide is way sadder y'all.

8/12/2014 1:18:25 PM

It's funny everyone predicted riots after the Trayvon shooting ruling, which never really materialized.

Based on those pics/tweets, it seems the cops are handling this in the entirely wrong way.

8/12/2014 1:21:50 PM

I wonder how many home invasions, store robberies, murders from robberies, etc, we could blame on poverty for all walks of life.

Let's give them all a free pass to do whatever they want, since it isn't really their fault. The big bad corporations and CEO's are keeping them all down.

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Instead of talking shit about all cops, why don't we talk about the impenetrable brotherhood that seems to exist within law enforcement. If a dirty cop does something dirty, then there ought not be this big rally around them by their departments and other law enforcement officers. There's this stereotype that they protect their own no matter what, and stereotypes are usually there for a reason. Justice should be hard and swift for incidents like this, but I bet they get stonewalled b/c nobody in these departments really cooperate.

8/12/2014 1:52:50 PM

I don't know if you were trying to be sarcastic but yeah, poverty and the growing wealth gap do have a ton to do with it. And something needs to change.

8/12/2014 1:58:46 PM

who is giving looters a free pass? the only comments I've seen are that its not surprising, a small minority of people, and is secondary to the main issue and is being offered as a distraction by users where race issues hit too close to home

8/12/2014 2:15:16 PM

I hate how some people are distracted and so prone to dismiss incidents like these and lose sight of the actual issue by sarcastically pointing to the looting by a a small group of people.

8/12/2014 2:26:37 PM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5672163
Cop in riot gear shooting tear gas and rubber bullets, calls protesters animals.

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"Blacks are also disproportionately pulled over by police in Ferguson. Whites make up about a third of Ferguson's population but accounted for just 12.7 percent of the stops by Ferguson police. Last year, African-Americans made up 93 percent of the arrests following car stops, even though whites were more likely to have contraband."

I can't imagine why these residents distrust their police.

I wonder how this situation would differ if many of the protesters had (legally obtained) guns.


[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2014 2:50:58 PM

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"We shouldn't have to explain why the correct response to these tragedies is not, "but what about black on black crime?" 84 percent of white people killed every year are killed by other whites and no one ever attempts to undermine any of the senseless violence they suffer."

http://jezebel.com/this-is-why-were-mad-about-the-shooting-of-mike-brown-1619522935?fb_action_ids=10204562584367922&fb_action_types=og.likes

8/12/2014 3:17:34 PM

it's a numbers thing. how many whites were killed by other whites vs how many blacks were killed by other blacks. It's a "thing" not due to percentages, but quantity.

8/12/2014 3:27:09 PM

What? Why does that matter at all in relation to this?

8/12/2014 3:36:26 PM

percentages normalize numbers you dummy.

8/12/2014 3:38:12 PM

Oh look, the FAA has deemed the airspace above Ferguson to be a No-fly zone


http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_2599.html


This is after last night where armed paramilitary police again closed off the town and commanded all journalists to leave.


and for knowitall eleusis: http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/World/ID/2485993968/ Posted saturday. Kid just got a lawyer yesterday. Amazingly consistent for something "coached," right? But you'll find something else to latch on to to misconstrue, like you fucking always do.

8/12/2014 4:43:24 PM

This police force is either grossly incompetent, or they're acting really guilty.

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"While African-Americans constitute 13.1% of the nation's population, they make up nearly 40% of the prison population. Even though African-Americans use or sell drugs about the same rate as whites, they are 2.8 to 5.5 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than whites. Black offenders also receive longer sentences compared to whites. Most offenders are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses. - See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/black-man-killed-us-every-28-hours-police?utm_content=bufferd0b5d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#sthash.zBi2Zxk1.dpuf"

[Edited on August 12, 2014 at 4:53 PM. Reason : ]

8/12/2014 4:49:14 PM

^^kid got a "new" lawyer yesterday, and there's no way a lawyer could allow him to change his storyline at this point. All he can do is clean it up and pray it doesn't come off the hinges, which this one most definitely will.

8/12/2014 9:09:26 PM

http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/2014/concentrated-poverty#/M10420

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"However, suburban communities experienced the fastest pace of growth in the number of poor residents living in concentrated poverty over this time period. Between 2000 and 2008-2012, the number of suburban poor living in distressed neighborhoods grew by 139 percent—almost three times the pace of growth in cities."

Poverty is spreading to the suburbs. As lower middle class whites on the edge get sucked into the cycle of poverty, caused by growing income inequality, there will tend to be more clashes based on race that us sheltered and privileged income earners are going to have to deal with.

8/12/2014 9:49:32 PM

So the kid wasn't in handcuffs when he got in the car? I thought it was SOP.....

8/13/2014 1:47:25 AM

I wonder which we'll get first: effective, nationwide police reform or a massive wave of retaliatory cop killing.

[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 6:45 AM. Reason : ...]

8/13/2014 6:45:05 AM

I don't think we need massive reform, but I do think that it is time for someone (or an entire chain of command for that matter) to be made an example of. I would really hate for some bullshit mandatory Taser first law to go into place, because that would be a whole lot of effort that would accomplish nothing.

8/13/2014 7:06:44 AM

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913

definitely worth reading

[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 8:22 AM. Reason : linkz r hard]

8/13/2014 8:22:29 AM

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"According to the still-unnamed officer, one of the two boys shoved him back into the vehicle and then wrestled for his sidearm, discharging one shot into the cabin. The two ran, and the police officer once again stepped from his vehicle and shot at the fleeing teenagers multiple times, killing Brown."

Pardon me, but this sounds like a narrative straight out of a movie. Cop gets mad and carried away and shoots an unarmed man. Cop quickly thinks of how to spin it, and he comes up with the brilliant idea of shooting in his car and saying that the man was reaching for his gun, because you know that's what black folks do.

8/13/2014 8:28:59 AM

Regardless of whose account of what happened is accurate (eye witnesses, or the officer) I think we can agree that a lot of what transpired afterward has been fucked up. Leaving his body in the street for hours is just one example of that.

I'm not excusing the looting and shit that happened...but everything about this story seems like a major fuck up

8/13/2014 8:32:55 AM

Coincidence? http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Are-break-ins-in-other-parts-of-town-connected-to-events-in-Ferguson-271008841.html

8/13/2014 8:42:34 AM

theyre still shooting people:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/uneasy-night-a-police-shooting-more-tear-gas-in-ferguson/article_7fb366f0-2f29-5bdd-b18b-34c9d8c688e7.html

oh man, deep:

http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/angela-west-acting-white-asking-black-people-looting-neighborhood/

and finally the solution is always:

http://toprightnews.com/?p=5136

(thank you morning facebook news)

8/13/2014 11:04:06 AM

the guy on the left outside of the tattoo place looks super tacti-uncool

8/13/2014 11:06:54 AM

http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/08/things-stop-distracted-black-person-gets-murdered-police/

But let’s get something straight: a community pushing back against a murderous police force that is terrorizing them is not a “riot”. It’s an uprising. It’s a rebellion. It’s a community saying We can’t take this anymore. We won’t take it. It’s people who have been dehumanized to the point of rightful rage. And it happens all over the world. Uprisings and rebellions are necessary and inevitable, locally and globally. This is not to say that actual riots don’t happen. White folks riot at sporting events, for example. Riots happen. But people rising up in righteous anger and rage in the face of oppression should not be dismissed as simply a “riot”.

8/13/2014 11:17:35 AM

little known fact:

just before the first death star exploded and han saves luke from vader he wasnt just there because he had a crisis of conscience

actually he had just led a commando raid stealing the imperial ATM on board

8/13/2014 11:46:18 AM

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"Regardless of whose account of what happened is accurate (eye witnesses, or the officer) I think we can agree that a lot of what transpired afterward has been fucked up. Leaving his body in the street for hours is just one example of that. I'm not excusing the looting and shit that happened...but everything about this story seems like a major fuck up "

Even if the kid did for some reason reach into the cop car and shoot a gun, this doesn't seem to justify shooting someone who's unarmed, 35ft away from you, with their arms in the air.

If he shot him while he was struggling in the car, or just outside of it, that's a little different, assuming this even went down.

8/13/2014 12:20:42 PM

^That sums up my thoughts. The officer's account, even if it's completely true, still doesn't absolve him of wrongdoing. I don't really see any reason why he felt so threatened that he needed to shoot this young man who was apparently surrendering with his hands up and saying he was unarmed.

8/13/2014 12:28:00 PM

both accounts have the kid already being shot before he surrendered. The officer continuing to shoot is pretty fucked up if it turns out to be true though.

the accounts seem to line up with the kid mouthing off to the cop while jaywalking, cop stops the car to harass/arrest them, kid attacks him through the car, gun gets fired in the car, friend runs away, fight falls out into the street, kid gets shot. Altercation should have ended right there, but the officer proceeds to shoot the kid to death even though the threat is gone.

The ballistics and blood patterns at the scene will paint a pretty good picture of what happened, and that will all come out in the trial. I don't see how the cop could get less than voluntary manslaughter if this is the case.

[Edited on August 13, 2014 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ^^one of the eyewitness accounts has the cop right beside the kid when he shot him, not 35' away]

8/13/2014 1:07:53 PM