Quote :

"this thread isnt about chihuahuas"

Synapse is the one who brought up chihuahuas

(only he is an idiot, so he actually brought up "chiwawas")

8/27/2014 10:34:34 AM

Uh, your mom or something along those lines.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ^,^^]

8/27/2014 10:34:55 AM

regarding dogbite.org statistics:

Quote :

"Is this study legit?"

No, in the first sentence they say that the data is from press accounts so a strong bias has been introduced from the beginning. Then when you think about the fact that the press usually only reports what has been reported to police, there is another level of selective bias.

The news media only reports on some dog attacks/bites, not every single one. They are mostly going to report on whatever the scary breed of the moment is and are less inclined to report on others. They probably usually only report on attacks/bites that were reported to the police or animal control. People usually only report dog attacks from "scary" big dogs, a lot of dog attacks from smaller dogs never go any further than an apology.

So the study is only looking at data that has already been screened a few times.

Also, to get the percentage of dogs they are looking at classified ads to determine a percentage. Now granted its difficult to get the number and type of dogs since there isn't a dog census, but I think anyone can agree that this is a pretty shitty way to approximate it.

8/27/2014 10:35:45 AM

Quote :

"If there were two dogs, a pit bull and a chihuahua, chewing two different kids faces at the same time... Which would you try and help first?"

does either child belong to synapse or y0willy0? because not that child.

8/27/2014 10:36:45 AM

Quote :

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2 Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013. This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013. The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period. From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days. In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:37 AM. Reason : for p2]

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM. Reason : ^ hahahahah stay classy there buddy]

8/27/2014 10:37:09 AM

regarding dogbite.org statistics:

Quote :

"Is this study legit?"

No, in the first sentence they say that the data is from press accounts so a strong bias has been introduced from the beginning. Then when you think about the fact that the press usually only reports what has been reported to police, there is another level of selective bias.

The news media only reports on some dog attacks/bites, not every single one. They are mostly going to report on whatever the scary breed of the moment is and are less inclined to report on others. They probably usually only report on attacks/bites that were reported to the police or animal control. People usually only report dog attacks from "scary" big dogs, a lot of dog attacks from smaller dogs never go any further than an apology.

So the study is only looking at data that has already been screened a few times.

Also, to get the percentage of dogs they are looking at classified ads to determine a percentage. Now granted its difficult to get the number and type of dogs since there isn't a dog census, but I think anyone can agree that this is a pretty shitty way to approximate it.

8/27/2014 10:37:53 AM

My only bad dog bite was from a cocker spaniel

8/27/2014 10:37:56 AM

hey dtownral why dont you copy and paste yourself again

8/27/2014 10:40:48 AM

regarding dogbite.org statistics:

Quote :

"Is this study legit?"

No, in the first sentence they say that the data is from press accounts so a strong bias has been introduced from the beginning. Then when you think about the fact that the press usually only reports what has been reported to police, there is another level of selective bias.

The news media only reports on some dog attacks/bites, not every single one. They are mostly going to report on whatever the scary breed of the moment is and are less inclined to report on others. They probably usually only report on attacks/bites that were reported to the police or animal control. People usually only report dog attacks from "scary" big dogs, a lot of dog attacks from smaller dogs never go any further than an apology.

So the study is only looking at data that has already been screened a few times.

Also, to get the percentage of dogs they are looking at classified ads to determine a percentage. Now granted its difficult to get the number and type of dogs since there isn't a dog census, but I think anyone can agree that this is a pretty shitty way to approximate it.

8/27/2014 10:41:15 AM

now that weve got that out of the way

find statistics on dog bites, attacks, fatalities, maimings, whatever, where pitbulls arent at the top of the list

even better find where chihuahuas are at the top

somehow i doubt thats going to happen since they usually outclass rottweilers by a factor of at least 4 but at least that will give you something to do in your cubical

8/27/2014 10:43:32 AM

Quote :

"The study found that Pit bulls and Rottweilers alone accounted for 67% of deaths, but there were also several Bullmastiffs, Boxers, Bull Terriers, Great Danes, St. Bernards, a Rhodesian Ridgeback, a bulldog, and a Newfoundland. Working dogs, however, were also frequently implicated, mostly German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers, but there were also several herders, including Australian shepherds and Collies, and one identified only as a “sheepdog”."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

8/27/2014 10:43:48 AM

regarding dogbite.org statistics:

Quote :

"Is this study legit?"

No, in the first sentence they say that the data is from press accounts so a strong bias has been introduced from the beginning. Then when you think about the fact that the press usually only reports what has been reported to police, there is another level of selective bias.

The news media only reports on some dog attacks/bites, not every single one. They are mostly going to report on whatever the scary breed of the moment is and are less inclined to report on others. They probably usually only report on attacks/bites that were reported to the police or animal control. People usually only report dog attacks from "scary" big dogs, a lot of dog attacks from smaller dogs never go any further than an apology.

So the study is only looking at data that has already been screened a few times.

Also, to get the percentage of dogs they are looking at classified ads to determine a percentage. Now granted its difficult to get the number and type of dogs since there isn't a dog census, but I think anyone can agree that this is a pretty shitty way to approximate it.


[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:45 AM. Reason : you're welcome]

8/27/2014 10:44:29 AM

dogbites.org is a website by a woman who was bitten by a dog who started the site as a lobbying organization for breed specific legislation.

8/27/2014 10:45:53 AM

ferrets are also known to nibble on infants

dtownral is an expert on those too and says they are just as dangerous as pit bulls and rottweilers

shoot on sight

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM. Reason : plus they stink]

8/27/2014 10:45:59 AM

Guns are more dangerous than nuclear bombs because of deaths in the United States

8/27/2014 10:49:01 AM

Quote :

"Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association: 2000-2009[edit] The most recent study of the epidemiology of fatal dog bites in the United States was published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association in 2013.[10] While earlier studies were based on television and newspaper reports, this was the first study to be based on law-enforcement reports, animal control reports, and investigator statements. It identified preventable factors in the fatal incidents. They found that the most common contributing factors were: absence of an able-bodied person to intervene, no familiar relationship of victims with dogs, owner failure to neuter dogs, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (e.g. mental disabilities), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (e.g. dogs kept chained in backyards), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs, and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs. Furthermore, they found that in 80% of the incidents, 4 or more of the above factors co-occurred. The authors found that in a significant number of DBRFs there was either a conflict between different media sources reporting breed and/or a conflict between media and animal control reports relative to the reporting of breed. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts of DBRFs, media sources reported conflicting breed attributions for 124 of the dogs (30.9%); and where there were media reports and an animal control report (346 dogs), there were conflicting breed attributions for 139 dogs (40.2%) According to this study, reliable verification of the breed of dog was only possible in 18% of incidents."

8/27/2014 10:49:40 AM

dogs commonly referred to as bait dogs are actually more dangerous than the dogs they are baiting

- dtownral

8/27/2014 10:50:23 AM

http://goo.gl/rRCS0U

8/27/2014 10:51:02 AM

Quote :

" hell, google worst dog breeds for kids and Chihuahua is probably #1 on every list."

Or not.

http://list25.com/25-most-dangerous-dog-breeds/?view=all
http://puppytoob.com/dog-breeds/the-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-based-on-biting-statistics/11/
https://www.causes.com/actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013

Quote :

"The term ‘pit bull’ encompasses certain breeds of dog from the American Pit Bull Terrier, the Staffordshire bull terrier, the American Staffordshire terrier, and the American Bulldog. Originally bred for baiting bulls and bears the majority of their breeds were also used for dog fighting in numerous parts of the world and is considered as the most dangerous dog in America."

Quote :

"To anyone who knows dogs, the American Pit Bull Terrier is no surprise at #1 on a list of deadliest dogs. In this study the Pit Bull stood far ahead of all the other breeds with 66 fatalities attributed to it. Known for their extremely aggressive nature, many states have legislation banning the breeding of pit bulls"

Quote :

"In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. This is well above the average of 60 percent from 2005 to 2012. As the pit bull population rises, more human fatalities ensue. During the last eight-year period (1991-98) that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied fatal attacks by breed, pit bulls were estimated at 1 percent of the U.S. dog population. Pit bulls killed an average of three people per year. The pit bull population has since grown to 4 percent. During the most recent eight-year period (2005-12), pit bulls killed an average of 19 people per year. If the current rate of fatalities inflicted by pit bulls continues, 33 Americans will lose their lives to pit bulls by the end of 2013."

8/27/2014 10:51:09 AM

no but see because my chihuahua is more dangerous because i pester it and when it bites me i report it because im an ignorant old woman

who knew it would bite me because its funny to see its reaction when i block it from its food bowl with my foot

**this report becomes a statistic**

pit bull crushes a childs skull with jaws

**this report becomes a statistic**

dtownral masturbates furiously over said report in his cubical while screaming "THEYRE THE SAAAAMMEE, THEYRE THE SAMMMMEEE"

8/27/2014 10:54:57 AM

googled "worst dog breed for kids":
results for "chiwawa"
link 1- #15
link 2- #1
link 3- did not place
link 4-7- not about worst dogs for kids, didn't check
link 8- #3
link 9- #4
link 10- #3

etc...

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM. Reason : all these lists are pretty silly though]

8/27/2014 10:56:52 AM

That kids face who got ate off by a pit...I had to pull that dog off the kid once while I was there, and still they kept the dog, after multiple incidents like that.

Granted there was some lazy parenting involved there "Jack stop poking the dog with your sword. Jack stop poking the dog with your sword," but it took the actual face eating for them to get rid of the dog.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ^ i love that you opened up 10 webpages and posted your results]

8/27/2014 10:57:49 AM

8/27/2014 10:58:15 AM

Quote :

"googled "worst dog breed for kids":"

Of course you did.

Googling is what you do best.

Worst is subjective.

Most dangerous is not.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 10:58 AM. Reason : ^ lol you are soooooo predictable ]

8/27/2014 10:58:33 AM

dtownral had a terribly frustrating encounter with a pack of chihuahuas while spreading wesleyanism across south america

8/27/2014 11:01:34 AM

It absolutely blows my mind that 10 lb dogs aren't at the top of "dog fatality" lists....BLOWS. MY. FUCKING. MIND.

Three most aggressive dog breeds: Dachshund, Chihuahuas, and Jack Russell Terriers.

http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2008/07/the-3-most-aggressive-dog-breeds-revealed-pit-bulls-rottweilers-youll-be-surprised/

Quote :

"Pit Bulls and Rottweilers scored average or below average in the aggression study. Breeds that scored on the low end are Basset Hounds, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, Siberian Huskies and Greyhounds."

From what appears to be an unbiased study:

Quote :

"the study involved researchers from the University of Pennsylvania as well as 6,000 dog owners."

8/27/2014 11:01:55 AM

none of the lists are the same, if most dangerous was not subjective then they would all be the same

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM. Reason : and this is all responding to a straw man]

8/27/2014 11:02:05 AM

shitty dog owners are the problem

Quote :

""Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association: 2000-2009[edit] The most recent study of the epidemiology of fatal dog bites in the United States was published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association in 2013.[10] While earlier studies were based on television and newspaper reports, this was the first study to be based on law-enforcement reports, animal control reports, and investigator statements. It identified preventable factors in the fatal incidents. They found that the most common contributing factors were: absence of an able-bodied person to intervene, no familiar relationship of victims with dogs, owner failure to neuter dogs, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (e.g. mental disabilities), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (e.g. dogs kept chained in backyards), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs, and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs. Furthermore, they found that in 80% of the incidents, 4 or more of the above factors co-occurred. The authors found that in a significant number of DBRFs there was either a conflict between different media sources reporting breed and/or a conflict between media and animal control reports relative to the reporting of breed. For 401 dogs described in various media accounts of DBRFs, media sources reported conflicting breed attributions for 124 of the dogs (30.9%); and where there were media reports and an animal control report (346 dogs), there were conflicting breed attributions for 139 dogs (40.2%) According to this study, reliable verification of the breed of dog was only possible in 18% of incidents.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States


[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 11:05 AM. Reason : (and reporting breed is difficult since breeds vary)]

8/27/2014 11:04:12 AM

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/18/study-what-vehicles-get-the-most-speeding-tickets-youll-be-su/

the Toyota Camry is the 2nd fastest car there is

8/27/2014 11:04:45 AM

except aggressive in small breed means "annoying shithead ankle biters"

not "eaters of infant faces because of 1 case"

oh ok those big dogs arent as aggressive, you know, they dont chase around balloons at birthday parties and go apeshit over turtles as much as chihuahuas,

but when they do decide to be bad they have bone crushing strength so none of those incidents are going to be "pesky" even if they are slightly more even tempered, they are going to be bloody

i really dont care if your dachshund bites a pinhole sized hole in the webbing of your fingers, but i do care if a pit bull treats a babys head like a cadbury cream egg

8/27/2014 11:06:48 AM

that's fine, just don't go around pretending like its an inherent problem with a certain breed

8/27/2014 11:08:49 AM

Handguns cause the most deaths in the U.S. by a huge margin, therefore they're the most effective guns for killing.
Wouldn't our military be more effective if soldiers just carried a couple of handguns?

8/27/2014 11:10:24 AM

Quote :

"my worst bite came from a Schnauzer"

good thing they're all small and just ankle biters

oh wait



[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 11:11 AM. Reason : add another dog]

8/27/2014 11:11:19 AM

what exactly is your definition of problem?

that they are ill tempered and prone to outbursts? that they also possess enough strength to kill a human?

what would it take for you to classify one as dangerous? i mean ive seen people hugging polar bears before but thats not exactly a good idea. one good polar bear is not going to make me want to be friends with polar bears.

8/27/2014 11:11:27 AM

time is a flat circle, you are on another plane of existence

8/27/2014 11:16:00 AM

No need to be alarmed. It's just a schnauzer.

8/27/2014 11:16:03 AM

8/27/2014 11:20:26 AM

Quote :

"shitty dog owners are the problem "

lol classic victim blaming!

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 11:21 AM. Reason : Was she asking for it? Was she asking nice? If she was asking for it. Did she ask you twice?]

8/27/2014 11:20:54 AM

Quote :

"time is a flat circle, you are on another plane of existence"

Well it took awhile, but congratulations to all involved.

dtownral lost this debate soundly.

8/27/2014 11:22:46 AM

Wondering if the anti-pit bull people are also anti-guns. Because it's the pretty much the same argument. Guns are fucking dangerous, but we really only have gun accidents with stupid/bad gun owners.

Btw...I hate guns but love pit-bulls.

8/27/2014 11:23:54 AM

A gun doesn't have a mind of its own.

8/27/2014 11:24:46 AM

I guess it all matters about what the argument is.

Yes, Pit Bulls can be more dangerous than lots of other dogs because they're bigger and stronger than a lot of dogs.

No, Pit Bulls aren't inherently more aggressive or meaner than other types of dogs. They just often have shittier owners because they get them because of their "tough image", and then don't have the time or knowledge to give them proper exercise, attention, training, etc. And this, coupled with their size and strength can lead to more severe injuries and death.

Or at least that's how I see it.

[Edited on August 27, 2014 at 11:28 AM. Reason : ]

8/27/2014 11:27:35 AM

http://www.dognotebook.com/15-dangerous-dog-breeds-most-likely-to-turn-on-their-owners/

Quote :

"1. American Pit Bull Terrier These dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. While dog fights are illegal, many of the dogs still exhibit the traits of fighters. These dogs were also used for baiting both bulls and bears so their genetic makeup is rather fierce. Pit bulls have been known to attack children, the elderly, their owners – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to bite. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other. The sheer volume of Pit Bull attacks have prompted many insurers to deny coverage associated with homeowners insurance. Many owners have to seek a special policy for coverage liability protection where their pet is concerned. Of course, some don’t bother to tell their insurer about their new pet and this could lead to problems, especially if the dog does bite or injure someone. It’s essential for pet owners to understand the nature of the breed they choose to bring into their home. While it may be true, indeed, that many of these canines have become revered members of the family, it also cannot be denied that this particular breed is responsible for more fatalities than any other type of dog."

8/27/2014 11:30:37 AM

Quote :

" How could we? He occupies a plane of existence we couldn't possibly hope to comprehend; he benevolently thought that two usernames could better communicate his complex thoughts. It's our fault for falling short, dog. "

-y0willy0
8/22/2014 9:08:50 PM
never forget

8/27/2014 11:32:10 AM

I didn't read that, but I wonder if it means "more likely to turn on their owners and cause injuries"? Because I see tiny dogs "turn on their owners' quite frequently, but they don't do any damage. My cat "turns on me" when I move her food when she's eating. It sometimes results in a superficial scratch.

8/27/2014 11:33:32 AM

Quote :

"lol classic victim blaming!"

dude, you posted that link

8/27/2014 11:33:40 AM

Quote :

"22. Staffordshire Bull Terrier The Staffordshire Bull Terrier was originally bred, not surprisingly, to bait bulls. While these dogs are known for their friendly demeanor and loyal disposition, they have been involved in attacks. These stocky dogs are muscular and intelligent. However, they are also fearless and not likely to back down in a fight. Even though this breed appears to be intimidating, they are also rather enamored of people. It’s not entirely in their nature, therefore, to be aggressive toward humans. Even so, members of this breed can differ substantially in temperament. Without consistency, it is difficult for people to know which ones are most people friendly. For this reason, care should be used around this breed. Examples that make best pets and companions tend to be cared for with diligence. Obedience training is important for this breed as is early socialization. These dogs are quite active and enthusiastic about their need for human interaction. Even when trained, they may jump and lick without reservation. Many people confuse this breed with Pit Bulls. In fact, experts worry that some attacks dubbed as “Pit Bull attacks” may actually have been committed by Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Families with elderly household members or children should take care when introducing this active breed into their home."

8/27/2014 11:34:48 AM

Quote :

"A gun doesn't have a mind of its own. "

A gun is as dangerous as the person holding it.

A pit bull is as bad as person raising/owning it.

8/27/2014 11:35:03 AM

Sure, but:

Quote :

"A gun doesn't have a mind of its own."

8/27/2014 11:38:44 AM

Sure, but:

Quote :

"A gun is as dangerous as the person holding it. A pit bull is as bad as person raising/owning it."

8/27/2014 11:39:04 AM