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"what do you (and others who agree with you) think the solution is? bigger airplanes? larger (and fewer) seats? i assume, then, that you're willing to pay more for your tickets? because you can go ahead and pay more NOW and get a first-class seat"

The difference between what a ticket costs now and what a ticket would cost with a couple fewer rows is a lot less than the difference between a coach and first class ticket.

8/28/2014 11:33:40 AM

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"yes, less seats (like it was not too long ago) and less profit for the CEOs?"

i don't understand this sense of entitlement...an airline is a for-profit company...if a person doesn't like it, choose another mode of transportation

ibtbutquatmireihavetoflyidonthaveachoicefwplikewhoa

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"The difference between what a ticket costs now and what a ticket would cost with a couple fewer rows is a lot less than the difference between a coach and first class ticket."

you realize you're advocating for the airlines to spend MORE money to make LESS...right? yeah, that makes sense

the fact of the matter is that you people will continue to fly without the airlines changing anything...you might bitch about it, but you'll pay the cheaper ticket price and sit in the uncomfortable seats because you're either too poor or too cheap to pay for a nicer seat...you don't DESERVE to fly and you don't DESERVE to be especially comfortable

the dude knew what he was getting into and tried to be a jackass from the moment he got on the plane...the lady was doing what she was allowed to do (reclining her seat)

8/28/2014 11:38:23 AM

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"the dude knew what he was getting into and tried to be a jackass from the moment he got on the plane...the lady was doing what she was allowed to do (reclining her seat)"

no shit. most people are acknowledging this. you really enjoy being a jerk on here don't you?

8/28/2014 11:39:35 AM

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"no shit. most people are acknowledging this. you really enjoy being a jerk on here don't you?"

i'm clearly talking to those people who think the dude was in any way justified or in blaming the airlines...since you fall into the latter group, it's no surprise that you're bothered by my POV

8/28/2014 11:51:13 AM

The lady was also doing what she wasn't allowed to do (throwing her drink on him), fwiw, which apparently got both of them booted from the plane.

8/28/2014 11:51:44 AM

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"The lady was also doing what she wasn't allowed to do (throwing her drink on him), fwiw, which apparently got both of them booted from the plane."

an excellent point...good thing i specifically qualified my viewpoint with the limitation to her initial action (reclining the seat), eh?

has anyone advocated that throwing one's drink on another passenger is reasonable?

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2014 11:53:06 AM

I'm blaming both, but yes I put more blame on the airlines for forcing people into situations where they have to compromise more than they used to

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"you realize you're advocating for the airlines to spend MORE money to make LESS...right? yeah, that makes sense"

I'm not advocating for airlines to go back to the way it was at this point, I'm just blaming them for creating the situation in the first place.

8/28/2014 11:53:47 AM

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"I'm blaming both, but yes I put more blame on the airlines for forcing people into situations where they have to compromise more than they used to"

i'm not sure how anyone can think the airlines have FORCED anyone to do anything...AFAIK, folks don't have to fly*

*obviously someone, somewhere, in this entire world, was forced to fly against their will and they probably didn't like it...i'm obviously speaking of the majority of people...figure i should go ahead and qualify my statement in case someone has trouble understanding the point

8/28/2014 11:56:20 AM

Unfortunately after this incident they both now need butthole defenders for the rest of their flying lives.
TSA is going to get out the long arm latex gloves to go deep at every single security screening from here until eternity since they caused this flight diversion.

8/28/2014 11:57:11 AM

^ i definitely agree that this situation is in no way a good thing for the rest of us

8/28/2014 11:57:49 AM

The seats go back by design. You don't like it? Fly private.

They're using them exactly as they're designed. Fuck that guy.

8/28/2014 12:01:22 PM

I sincerely apologize for use of the term "force". I am writing quickly while doing other things. Yes, I realize the airline isn't forcing anything on anyone. But just because these people CHOSE to fly doesn't mean I can't still blame the airlines for creating a situation where a tall person is likely to be uncomfortable.

And just as an aside, you can't always just hide behind the "choice" logic. You don't know the situation these people were in. Maybe the guy's dad was on his deathbed and flying was the only option to get back to him in a timely manner. Maybe he travels for work and is required to be certain places at certain times that a train or car wouldn't accommodate.

Also, what I really want to know, is how did the rest of the people on the flight not flip the fuck out when they found out the direct flight they booked was now becoming indirect because two idiots couldn't work out something out between themselves?

8/28/2014 12:05:45 PM

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"I sincerely apologize for use of the term "force". I am writing quickly while doing other things. Yes, I realize the airline isn't forcing anything on anyone. But just because these people CHOSE to fly doesn't mean I can't still blame the airlines for creating a situation where a tall person is likely to be uncomfortable."

you can't reasonably blame the airlines for designing their craft to accommodate the AVERAGE flyer...if they catered to the outliers, everyone would get a damn couch because of the overly-tall and overly-fat

ibtbutwaitquagmirebeingfatisachoice

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"And just as an aside, you can't always just hide behind the "choice" logic. You don't know the situation these people were in. Maybe the guy's dad was on his deathbed and flying was the only option to get back to him in a timely manner. Maybe he travels for work and is required to be certain places at certain times that a train or car wouldn't accommodate."

you'd think that if the dude's dad was dying and this was his last chance to see him he wouldn't have fucked up so badly

as for work, are you serious? there are things i don't like about my job, but that doesn't give me the right to break the rules and be an utter dickbag to others...if he hates traveling in small seats so much, maybe he should get his employer to pay for better seats or, i don't know, get a different job

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"Also, what I really want to know, is how did the rest of the people on the flight not flip the fuck out when they found out the direct flight they booked was now becoming indirect because two idiots couldn't work out something out between themselves?"

i'm with you...if i were on the flight, i'd gladly join a lawsuit to get some money out of those douchebags for intentionally and knowingly ruining my flight

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2014 12:11:41 PM

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"you can't reasonably blame the airlines for designing their craft to accommodate the AVERAGE flyer...if they catered to the outliers, everyone would get a damn couch because of the overly-tall and overly-fat"

They used to design them to accommodate more than just the average flyer

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" there are things i don't like about my job, but that doesn't give me the right to break the rules and be an utter dickbag to others...if he hates traveling in small seats so much, maybe he should get his employer to pay for better seats or, i don't know, get a different job"

I never said he gets to break the rules even if there is some situation where he was actually forced to fly. And "get a different job"? Really? I'm on my 3rd job since graduating and would have no problem switching again if I felt the need to. Not everyone has this luxury and I understand this even though it doesn't apply to me.

8/28/2014 12:15:37 PM

I would gladly pay the little extra difference for a little extra leg room if they'd remove a few rows of seats... but they don't offer that option. I can't afford first class.

When they stop offering first class and just cram more seats in there, and start requiring people to lay under the seats and in the baggage compartments and in the bathroom, this quaqmire guy will be saying "hey, it's your choice if you want to go on vacation... or it's your choice not to quit your job if they send you overseas... or it's your choice if youwant to attend your mother's funeral.... either hop up in the baggage compartment and like it or shut up!!"

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"you can't reasonably blame the airlines for designing their craft to accommodate the AVERAGE flyer"

they're not even designed to accommodate the average flyer comfortably.

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2014 12:16:52 PM

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"craft to accommodate the AVERAGE flyer"

I can tell you this much

As someone who has lost 45 pounds, flying is a whole different experience now.

People don't realize how fat they are, and their sense of self is warped into new dimensions, enhancing this entitlement culture.
Guarantee you that one or both of them was above average girth making this reclining issue very very important.

8/28/2014 12:20:27 PM

I feel sorry for everyone on that plane who had their schedules screwed over because some dickhead refused to put away his banned toy.

8/28/2014 12:20:35 PM

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"I feel sorry for everyone on that plane who had their schedules screwed over because some dickhead refused to put away his banned toy."

Yup.

8/28/2014 12:21:25 PM

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"They used to design them to accommodate more than just the average flyer"

yep...and then the cost of flying went up and people began bitching about the cost of flying

and since we live in 'murica and enjoy capitalism, the airlines did what they wanted, which was put more people in a plane

again...there simply isn't any good argument against "if you don't like it, don't fly"

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"I never said he gets to break the rules even if there is some situation where he was actually forced to fly."

so we can agree that he was 100% in the wrong, then? because he clearly broke the rules, was called out on it by an attendant, and refused to stop...how can you think that ANY part of that is justified?

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"And "get a different job"? Really? I'm on my 3rd job since graduating and would have no problem switching again if I felt the need to. Not everyone has this luxury and I understand this even though it doesn't apply to me."

hah, yes! i mean that 100%...because what you're saying is that if it's a part of his job, he is ENTITLED to special treatment by the airlines because he's special in some way

he's not special...except that he's a dick

8/28/2014 12:22:12 PM

You're making a lot of assumptions about my argument that I've never said.

I've never said the guy should expect any kind of special treatment and have simply said that I also blame the airlines for creating this potential situation. Nowhere have I said he deserved to take any of the actions he took. You're allowed to blame multiple entities for one problem.

The thread is not that long, you can read the whole thing

8/28/2014 12:25:13 PM

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"hah, yes! i mean that 100%...because what you're saying is that if it's a part of his job, he is ENTITLED to special treatment by the airlines because he's special in some way"

holy shit you love to argue. i hardly see anybody saying he was ENTITLED to do this. Only that the airline is shitty for putting people in this situation. And keep in mind, this is just people talking on the internet. Nobody is saying that we need to riot outside the airplane HQs until the CEO is fired. And yes, if you really cannot taking flying in those conditions, your only option is to not fly. But you can still say "the airline is shitty". And most people seem to agree that the dude is a dick and obviously breaking pre-established policy that he was reminded of but still refused to adhere to, so no need to continue to argue that point.

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2014 12:29:08 PM

if you two don't stop fussing, i will turn this whole plane around and go home!

*Pilot aimlessly swats at passenger cabin behind him*

8/28/2014 12:31:22 PM

damn quag is madddddddddddddddddd

8/28/2014 12:34:30 PM

yes, i'm pretty angry

it makes me sad that anyone can possibly think that this situation is anyone's fault but the tall dickbag...if he hadn't been such a whiny bitch and gotten his (clearly disallowed) toys...and THEN blatantly ignored the attendant when he was called out, it wouldn't have been an issue

yes, the woman shouldn't have thrown a drink on him...that was her fuckup, but she had exactly nothing to do with creating the situation since she is entitled to recline her seat

but hey, y'all are entitled to your opinions...the fact of the matter is that as a flyer, i can (and will) recline my seat when i feel like it and if you happen to be behind me and don't like it, you can go fuck yourself

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM. Reason : but i won't be so dumb as to toss my drink]

8/28/2014 12:40:16 PM

Again, I don't see anybody arguing those points.

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"he fact of the matter is that as a flyer, i can (and will) recline my seat when i feel like it and if you happen to be behind me and don't like it, you can go fuck yourself"

What if they created a policy that you couldn't recline the seat. Would you happily comply and argue with anybody who said it was a shitty policy? What if they created a policy that required you to pull your feet up into your seat so they could put luggage on the floor? Would you happily comply and call anybody with differing opinions retarded, since it's just the airline making more money? What if the policy was first come first serve, and you happened to get held up by a wreck, and the policy was the last five people to arrive had to stay in the bathroom through the entire flight? you'd happily comply?

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2014 12:42:44 PM

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"What if they created a policy that you couldn't recline the seat. Would you happily comply and argue with anybody who said it was a shitty policy? What if they created a policy that required you to pull your feet up into your seat so they could put luggage on the floor? Would you happily comply and call anybody with differing opinions retarded, since it's just the airline making more money?"

i would, without a doubt, take the position that if one doesn't like the terms or conditions of a particular method of travel, they are more than welcome to utilize an alternate form of travel...or get the fuck over it and stop whining like a little bitch

8/28/2014 12:44:38 PM

lol, i read that spirit airlines took the reclining mechanism out of their seats, and calls the seats "pre-reclined"

8/28/2014 12:47:45 PM

^^you didn't answer the question. would you fly? and would you do it happily?

also, you should contribute more to this thread, your argument was logical and thought-provoking
message_topic.aspx?topic=642693&page=3#16104210

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 12:51 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2014 12:48:40 PM

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"you didn't answer the question. would you fly? and would you do it happily?"

sorry, half of your comment was so retarded that i didn't realize you were serious...here you go:

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"What if they created a policy that you couldn't recline the seat. Would you happily comply and argue with anybody who said it was a shitty policy?"

yep, i'd still fly, still be as happy as i am now...because flying isn't particularly comfortable in the first place (i fly economy/coach), but i don't recline that often

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"What if they created a policy that required you to pull your feet up into your seat so they could put luggage on the floor?"

are you seriously suggesting that it's even remotely reasonable for an airline to require its flyers to hug their knees to their chest for the entire flight so that luggage can sit where their feet were? yeah, sure, you got me

for the record, i'd probably take an issue with a policy mandating that flyers providing blowjobs to male attendants upon request...you know, since we're being stupid now

8/28/2014 1:01:02 PM

I don't like it when people in front of me recline, so I refrain from doing it myself. Treat others how you want to be treated, etc.

8/28/2014 1:02:46 PM

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"I don't like it when people in front of me recline, so I refrain from doing it myself. Treat others how you want to be treated, etc."

i don't think i've EVER reclined all the way...i'll recline a little bit and use a neck pillow and that's always been enough for me, even on long international flights

8/28/2014 1:04:33 PM

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"are you seriously suggesting that it's even remotely reasonable for an airline to require its flyers to hug their knees to their chest for the entire flight so that luggage can sit where their feet were?"

You realize tall people basically have to do that now? And you just talked about how you'll recline if you want to and if anybody doesn't like it, well "fuck them!" Critical thinking doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits. But what if Jesus was an alien?

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2014 1:08:13 PM

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"You realize tall people basically have to do that now?"

by "basically" do you actually mean "not at all"? or do you think that someone else's luggage is under their feet all the time?

you know what, i'll go ahead and say it: sucks to be a tall person. or a short person. or a fat person. or any other person who doesn't fall within the "average" range and has to shop at special stores for special clothes and has the unenviable luck of not fitting well where the rest of us fit just fine...but you don't DESERVE jack shit and the rest of us don't DESERVE to have to deal with your whiny bullshit

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"Critical thinking doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits."

oh yeah? well, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries...what else you got, kiddo?

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 1:21 PM. Reason : /quote]

8/28/2014 1:21:42 PM

My favorite part is when the plane lands, everyone gets up to get their bags, and half the plane starts farting...mostly inaudible...and the plane starts smelling like a port-a-john. My wife hates it...I find it fucking hilarious.

8/28/2014 1:38:42 PM

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"are you seriously suggesting that it's even remotely reasonable for an airline to require its flyers to hug their knees to their chest for the entire flight so that luggage can sit where their feet were? yeah, sure, you got me"

Standing room only on flights has been discussed by airlines...would that even be better than sitting while keeping your feet up?

8/28/2014 1:40:46 PM

8/28/2014 1:48:29 PM

but it's not even remotely reasonable to think that an airline would require their passengers to make room for their luggage to go where their feet were. They'll just put more seats in instead, that makes it more reasonable

8/28/2014 1:51:50 PM

The future

8/28/2014 1:55:13 PM

coach class seats shouldn't recline, unless there is no one behind you.

This should be the airline policy.

8/28/2014 2:11:00 PM

yes because i'm going to sit upright for 6+ hours

8/28/2014 2:23:26 PM

I have big boobs and sitting "upright" is not only uncomfortable, but actually hurts my back. when other people get into the driver's seat of my car they look like they're doing the gangsta lean

I get really upset (on any flight lasting longer than 1-2 hours) if my plane seat is broken or I'm in the very back row where they don't recline at all. I flew Allegient this weekend, and found out they also have the "pre-reclined" seats. Not for that reason alone, but I will not be flying a budget airline again.

8/28/2014 2:42:47 PM

improve your core strength dude

8/28/2014 2:45:23 PM

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"coach class seats shouldn't recline unless there is no one behind you"

fixed

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/28/2014 2:46:46 PM

^^I actually have great core strength, thx.

I used to be a gymnast. Had a breast reduction when I was 18 for the back pain, shoulder ridges, general annoyances. B00bs grew back.

If you'd ever like to spend a week with 8-lb bags of sugar strapped to your chest, let me know and I'll arrange the experiment.

8/28/2014 3:30:39 PM

how you doin'?

8/28/2014 3:37:35 PM

i think coach class seats shouldn't recline either. its not like the extra 2 inches is gonna allow you to sleep any better. also i think if the person in front of you reclines then you can't even put your laptop upright.

however, i think actually using a knee defender is totally douchetastic

[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2014 3:43:24 PM

I think the amount of recline can greatly vary by flight / airline / etc, but I've definitely been on planes where the difference between upright and recline was the difference between having to hold my head up vs letting it rest without flopping to the side, which is crucial if you're trying to sleep

8/28/2014 3:53:16 PM

There was something similar that happened this week, too

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/flight-diverted-boston-due-unruly-passenger-25157159

8/28/2014 6:33:30 PM

seats need head holders so you can sleep upright without your head flopping around

unless you're in slappy1's situation :/



[Edited on August 28, 2014 at 7:04 PM. Reason : not that I fly much, but I didn't think people opted to not recline]

8/28/2014 7:04:03 PM

I don't recline. Unless it's a fourteen hour flight, reclining is for children.

Just get on the plane and sit in your seat. Also, when you're stuck on the Tarmac for two hours, you sit patiently and keep your fucking mouth shut.

8/28/2014 8:25:05 PM