^i hadn't considered that

1/9/2015 11:29:34 AM

I see the same concept all over. Minimal barriers to entry always provide huge incidental benefits. I agree that nothing should be advertised as "free" and expect to maintain its purity.
As one illustration, in your typical office building:

If the front desk has a nominal "sign-in" sheet where the security guard makes minimal effort and asks you to sign the front registry before entering the building, it is a huge deterrent and serves as a major barrier to outside people wandering in.

1/9/2015 11:32:32 AM

education isn't a hobby

the act of going to class implies that you want to be there, free or not

1/9/2015 11:32:37 AM

I hate being the last post on a page...

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"Also, back in the day, I used to go to a pool hall in Cary that charged for a membership. This wasn't some elite pool players club or anything like that. The membership was $1, and you had to sign your name and give your license number (I think, been over 10 years). I thought that anything that costs $1 isn't exclusive or really even meaningful, so I asked the owner what it was for. He said it was to keep shitty people out of his bar, because shitty people aren't going to go through the effort of signing up for anything. I think the same kind of thing applies here. Even paying the low costs of community college tuition ensures in some small amount that the people that are there actually want to be there, because they're paying for it. "

1/9/2015 11:33:29 AM

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"education isn't a hobby the act of going to class implies that you want to be there, free or not"

Great idea, grounded nowhere in reality.

1/9/2015 11:34:46 AM

DOUBLE POST RAWR RAWR RAWR

^ It's ok I got you covered by basically saying the exact same thing except in an office building context. We all should read freakonomics.....

1/9/2015 11:35:12 AM

you ever voluntarily go anywhere that you don't want to be?

or aren't forced to go to?

1/9/2015 11:35:54 AM

Yea...eng 110

1/9/2015 11:37:06 AM

You haven't had much experience with hobos wandering around your establishments, have you?


At my old office we had a guy who would walk in the building in full military garb and battle helmet. People shrugged it off, but I was seriously bothered by it. Front desk stepped up security.

So without much more detail, yes, people do voluntarily go places sometimes without explanation and minimal barriers should be maintained.

1/9/2015 11:37:29 AM

for tgl, a better example, one with less vitriol. I think I spelled that right.

I'm sure lots of people would sign up and go, if it became free. They would all have really good intentions. But after a while, they'll get tired of doing homework. They'll get tired of getting up early. They don't have any real skin in the game, so they'll just stop going if they get the least bit bored.

1/9/2015 11:41:44 AM

how is that different than any other college, free or not?

1/9/2015 11:45:46 AM

You mean to tell me that you really don't think you'd be less likely to walk away from 9k/semester classes vs free classes? Gimme a break.

1/9/2015 11:46:51 AM

The eternal tension of where society should place dividing barriers and
where society should open the doors to become more inclusive
will never be resolved.

One of the biggest problems is in education in general. The people making the money are the ones who should be teaching, but they don't have time to teach.

There are a lot of sick fucks and chester molesters out there running training and certification programs, and there's a lot of fraud in the industry. The programs aren't incentivized to bring the right talent to training the next generations who are, in good faith, attempting to live a better life.

I think the policy decision is in the right place, but rather than be selfish politically, this type of federal policy should be a legislative act that should be a matter of state concern because the local jurisdictions are better equipped to enhance their specific training programs.

1/9/2015 11:48:10 AM

We need to integrate money into more things

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1/9/2015 11:51:42 AM

^^^ you realize that there would be requirements in order for tuition to be free, right?

[Edited on January 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM. Reason : 2.5 GPA]

1/9/2015 11:52:09 AM

* as dispersed through the existing state and local infrastructure as opposed to proposing a federal program with a blanket proposal of "Free college" coming directly from the fed govt

1/9/2015 11:53:36 AM

Didn't read this thread but won't this just devalue associates degrees over time?

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1/9/2015 11:53:37 AM

Yes, but only for classifications based on gender.

1/9/2015 11:55:19 AM

^^^^Yea, but nothing from the WH webpage indicates what happens if you don't maintain a 2.5 GPA etc.

Probably nothing.

1/9/2015 12:03:29 PM

^^^not if there is a corresponding increase in quality and difficultly. We should make it free but increase the dropout/failure rate to keep the supply the same.

[Edited on January 9, 2015 at 12:05 PM. Reason : That's prob expecting way too much tho]

1/9/2015 12:04:56 PM

the inability to pay for 2 years of community college classes is not what's holding folks in this country back from making a decent living

1/9/2015 12:06:17 PM

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"Yea, but nothing from the WH webpage indicates what happens if you don't maintain a 2.5 GPA etc. Probably nothing."

probably

what happens if you fail to meet the requirements for anything else in life?

[Edited on January 9, 2015 at 12:09 PM. Reason : not that difficult of a concept to grasp ]

1/9/2015 12:08:42 PM

I do agree that for most people there needs to be something between high school and college to allow people a better chance to figure out what they enjoy. Even if its mandatory 2 years at community college first taking a varied course load to help adjust.

1/9/2015 12:11:23 PM

^^^you right

[Edited on January 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM. Reason : Carrots, yum]

1/9/2015 12:11:34 PM

I think we should keep things as they are and just wish for everyone to develop a sense of personal responsibility in our prayers to Christ Jesus

1/9/2015 12:13:59 PM

I see some Fed Govt grant funds coming NC State's way for bridging this gap!

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"The First Year College (FYC) is the "college of options" for students entering NC State University. Established in 1995, FYC has developed a nationally-recognized model for successfully advising students through their first year at the university. From personal, one-on-one academic and career advising to our two-semester orientation course and our living-learning community, FYC provides a comprehensive experience for first year students who want to choose the right major and graduate on time."

FYC. est. 1995



[Edited on January 9, 2015 at 12:21 PM. Reason : ]

1/9/2015 12:19:41 PM

Just another handout that doesn't actually address the problem. The democrats know that it won't go anywhere. They just need to be able to say "Look at these republicans who kept all y'all from getting FREE community college education. Vote for us and we'll give you free edumacations that will solve all your problems!"

1/9/2015 12:24:18 PM

Republicans used to be on the forefront of CC reform and improvement, since businesses kept complaining there was a dearth of skilled workers for them to hire. At least McCrory and some other NC GOP was hitting that pretty hard last year. Its basically a subsidy to business, having the state train your skilled workers instead of having to spend money to develop a training program yourself.

But republicans will now oppose this, but only because Obama proposed it.

1/9/2015 12:35:42 PM

Yay politics!!!!!!!1





oh wait...

1/9/2015 12:37:29 PM

This really isn't a new concept. Early colleges have been around for over a decade now, offering basically the same thing to high school students. There was one built in my hometown years ago, and to my knowledge they don't have any issues with too many students wanting to get in.

Making college free doesn't mean that EVERYONE will go.

1/9/2015 1:07:47 PM

What about Georgia's program. I haven't read up in detail on it, but I know that if you make certain grades in HS, you can basically get a free university education that isn't really scholarship based.

Anybody here taken advantage of it or know more about it?

1/9/2015 1:48:29 PM

i have no problem with free community college (especially when you consider the potential of online classes)...i'm also fine with my taxes going up to help pay for it

the stipulation should be that they have to make certain grades, though...GPA below a certain level and your school is no longer free (you can still continue, though, you just have to pay for it yourself)

1/9/2015 1:52:27 PM

That's the stipulation with this program as well. You have to maintain a 2.5 GPA. But once established, this program could be twisted to fit the will of whoever implements it.

1/9/2015 1:54:40 PM

That liberal hellhole Tennessee is already doing this.

1/9/2015 2:13:58 PM

^^^^ the hope program - some coworkers kids' have taken advantage of it

1/9/2015 2:23:21 PM

2.5 seems kinda low

1/9/2015 2:55:59 PM

you'd be surprised what i can do with 2.5

1/9/2015 3:05:58 PM

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"You don't pay your home and it gets taken from you. We don't repay the national debt and the world blinks."

Ignorance such as this is just simply astounding... We don't repay our national debt and the world stops lending us money, and then our beloved welfare state collapses, like it did in Greece.

1/10/2015 1:11:47 AM

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"What about Georgia's program. I haven't read up in detail on it, but I know that if you make certain grades in HS, you can basically get a free university education that isn't really scholarship based. Anybody here taken advantage of it or know more about it?"

I think that comes from lottery money and I am pretty sure you have to have a 3.0+ in high school to qualify.

1/10/2015 1:44:43 AM

Education solved all of my problems. One of the things I was educated on was hard work and focus. So I took my BA in English and my MA in something even less "useful" and I got a job at a Fortune 500 company. I love my job and I'm doing really well there. I use every skill I developed in college on a daily basis.

Anybody who says more education is a bad thing is either an idiot or a fucking devil.

1/10/2015 10:35:11 AM

^^

1/10/2015 11:31:19 AM

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"Education solved all of my problems."

Can't figure out if you're trolling...

[Edited on January 10, 2015 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2015 12:08:28 PM

0% interest on student loan debt plz

1/10/2015 3:55:34 PM

^ yes. Let's inflate the student loan bubble even more! What could go wrong?

1/10/2015 8:27:22 PM

Quote :

"COLLEGE OF OPTIONS "

- FYC

Oh fyc I got into college

so I can be preeezident of amurhica

1/10/2015 8:54:20 PM

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"yes. Let's inflate the student loan bubble even more! What could go wrong?"

Huh??? removing interest from the loans without changing anything else will inflate the bubble how???? If the government wants to give everyone free college, why do they need to make a profit on student loans? Welfare should be fore everyone.

1/10/2015 9:11:05 PM

I realize you're a troll, but you don't see how lowering interest rates contributes to a bubble? Were you even awake during the 2000s housing bubble?

1/11/2015 10:45:17 AM

burro is dumb.

1/11/2015 11:01:05 AM

Loan standards stay the same, interest goes to 0 and that's going to cause problems how? You are stupid.

We are going to loan out the same amount, the government will just stop making 40+ billion a year on interest since they want to give everyone free college. Its only fair.

[Edited on January 11, 2015 at 11:30 AM. Reason : .]

1/11/2015 11:28:24 AM

Come back when you understand pricing of loans and how that affected the housing bubble, dude

1/11/2015 6:49:07 PM