2 Pages of Conservative Hypocricy

3/16/2015 1:25:41 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/aaron-schock-resigning_n_6887588.html

Quote :

"Did taxpayers fund politician's Katy Perry tickets? "

#Republicans

3/17/2015 2:50:21 PM

What a schock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0BWlvnBmIE

3/17/2015 8:40:41 PM

This doesn't really bother me. I think we should have more artisanry in building designs, and employers should treat their employees well.

As long as they didn't steal money or lie about it, it's not a big deal.

3/17/2015 11:04:03 PM

I love GOP, I love republicans, I'm a conservative.

3/17/2015 11:54:09 PM

This makes me goddamn sick.

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"Bill making assaults on teachers a felony raises questions RALEIGH, N.C. — Students 16 and older would be guilty of felonies if they assault a teacher under a bill the Senate Education Committee is due to review Wednesday. As introduced, Senate Bill 343, authored by Sen. Jerry Tillman, R-Randolph, would apply only to acts on school property. "We need to get people's attention that this is a serious offense," Tillman said, adding that many student-on-teacher assaults go unreported. The measure has drawn criticism from a number of advocacy groups that say that a felony charge can haunt young people throughout their lives, affecting everything from college admission to housing and job opportunities. The bill: Senate Bill 343: Student Assault On Teacher/Felony Offense. What it does: It creates a new felony for students 16 and older who assault a teacher or other school employee on campus. Who filed it: Sen. Jerry Tillman, R-Randolph What's next: The Senate Education Committee is scheduled to hear the measure at 11 a.m. April 15. "You could have a situation where the teen doesn't touch the teacher and ends up with a felony charge," said Rob Thompson of the NC Child advocacy organization. Some actions considered assault don't involve physical contact, although the charge more typically involves at least some glancing contact. In North Carolina, 16-year-olds are prosecuted as adults for misdemeanors, and teens as young as 13 who commit a violent felony can be tried as adults. The bill, Thompson said, would "exacerbate the criminalization of our schools." The measure could have a disproportionate impact on students with disabilities. According to the Department of Public Instruction, roughly half of the 1,333 assaults by students against school employees during the 2013-14 school year were committed by "exceptional students." The label is applied to students with a broad spectrum of disabilities from mild reading difficulties to severe autism. In the 2012-13 school year, more than half of such assaults – 498 versus 418 – were committed by exceptional students. A report issued last week by the Center for Public Integrity amplifies those numbers, showing that while students with disabilities make up less than 15 percent of the student population they account for a quarter of all cases referred to law enforcement. Black students, who make up 26 percent of the student population, make up 38 percent of cases referred to police. "We're talking about putting a lot of kids with intellectual and development disabilities and emotional health needs in prison," said Corye Dunn, director of public policy for Disability Rights North Carolina. Dunn said that a student assaulting a teacher is already a misdemeanor and can be upgraded to a felony if there is bodily harm. While both misdemeanors and felonies are crimes, employers, colleges and even rental agencies tend to screen for felonies during background checks of potential students and residents. "That's a very serious consequence," Dunn said. "I don't know what problem we're trying to solve here. I don't think an angry 17-year-old with a disability is likely to reflect on the deterrent value of his actions possibly being a felony." Leanne Winner, a lobbyist with the North Carolina School Boards Association, said her group is "uncomfortable" with the bill as well, due to its potential impact on students with disabilities. Tim Crowley, a spokesman for the North Carolina Association of Educators, the state's largest teachers group, said his organization has not taken a position on the measure. "NCAE always takes school safety and the safety of educators seriously," Crowley said. "We are currently reviewing Sen. Tillman's proposal and what impact it would have." Tillman said he filed the bill in response to persistent reports of assaults in the schools. He said it didn't matter who was committing the actions. "We’re punishing people who do the crime," he said. "I’m not sold on whether it would be somebody that has a high IQ or a low IQ. The law is the law on the street, and the law is the law in the schools. That's the way I look at it." North Carolina's numbers of "assaults on school personnel," collected by the Department of Public Instruction, have increased from 834 in the 2003-04 school year to 1,333 in the past school year, the number of assaults that resulted in a serious injury dropped during that time, from 192 to 49. Advocates say that they want to keep teachers and others in the schools safe but that this bill would do little toward that goal. "We certainly want to make sure teachers are safe in the classroom," Thompson said. "That said, I think the wisest approach to working with children with disabilities is not to implement harsh punishment." Read more at http://www.wral.com/bill-making-assaults-on-teachers-a-felony-raises-questions/14571222/#S7G1prk3CZ3MYEU1.99"

4/13/2015 1:32:24 PM

Everything should be a felony, jaywalking, consentual sex, using up oxygen.

Then we could all be convicted felons and virtually no one could vote.

A republican utiopia.

4/13/2015 1:34:07 PM

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""We're talking about putting a lot of kids with intellectual and development disabilities and emotional health needs in prison," said Corye Dunn, director of public policy for Disability Rights North Carolina. "

Are we really talking about putting kids with disabilities in prison? Or are we talking about increasing the punishment for assault on teachers? Because there is a difference. There are standards to convicting someone of assault and those standards don't go away by increasing the punishment. You have to show intent and an understanding of right from wrong. If someone truly does not understand the consequences of their actions, why do we think they would be sent to prison?

Further, it says that 25% of all cases referred to law enforcement are from students with disabilities. But of that percentage, how many are actually tried and/or convicted of the misdemeanor assault?

Those of you who are worried about the disproportionate impact on those with disabilities, do you advocate with doing away of any time of criminal punishment for assaults on teachers? Do you think a misdemeanor is too harsh? Do you disagree that the law takes into account someone's competency before charge/conviction of a crime?

4/13/2015 1:46:10 PM

I think the law should be the same no matter who is assaulted, violent assaults are already felonies, and the school has always had the authority to expel a student who assaults a staff member in any way.

4/13/2015 1:47:40 PM

^^ Fuck that, just creating a new felony is just goddamn stupid.

4/13/2015 1:50:46 PM

But is it creating a new felony? It can already be a felony to inflict serious bodily harm on someone else.

A significant portion of teachers who are injured on the job are from attacks by students. Why should teachers have to put up with it?

4/13/2015 1:53:02 PM

So shooting a spitball from a straw could be considered assault, you think that should be a felony?

4/13/2015 1:54:52 PM

I wouldn't think that would count as a Class A1 Misdemeanor either. Do you honestly think those types of incidents are being charged as a misdemeanor right now?

The wording in this bill is the exact same as the wording in the general statute. It just elevates the punishment from a Class A1 misdemeanor to a felony. It does not criminalize anything that isn't already a criminal act.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2015 1:57:22 PM

How exactly do you think this will protect school faculty members? Do teenagers really understand the consequences of a felony vs misdemeanor? What behavior exactly will this deter?

4/13/2015 2:03:28 PM

No shit Sherlock.

This is creating a new felony no matter how you look at it, and I don't give a fuck what you know about the law.

This has got to be the dumbest fucking thing in the news today.

So let me get this straight, you honestly believes a dumb 16 year old that slaps a school teacher should be subject to punishment for life?

Just don't forget if you ever smoked weed in college you probably are an undocumented felon.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:11 PM. Reason : /]

4/13/2015 2:04:04 PM

^^I would hope a 16 year old would understand the consequences of their actions.

^I don't disagree that it's redundant. But it's not exactly new either. The Bill was introduced a while ago.

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"There were 1,333 reported incidents of assault on school personnel in the North Carolina public schools during the 2013-14 academic year, according to the annual state report on school crime and violence. The number of incidents increased from 1,143 assaults during the 2012-13 school year. Assaults on school personnel ranked third for the highest number of acts among 16 categories of violent or unlawful incidents on school campuses. The only categories ahead of assaults on school personnel during the previous two academic years were possession of a weapon and possession of a controlled substance."

If not increasing the punishment, then what's the solution? Assaults on teachers cost the state a lot of money.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:13 PM. Reason : 1) No such thing as an undocumented felon 2) Good thing I never smoked weed.]

4/13/2015 2:12:38 PM

Essentially nothing except the status quo. Assaults can and will always happen. Maybe have an armed guard in every class room? Even then it would still happen.

4/13/2015 2:15:13 PM

how hard is it not to bitchslap a teacher?

4/13/2015 2:16:19 PM

It is such thing as an undocumented felon. You broke the law and got away with it therefore no one knows. You still committed the act.

Serial killers that have not been caught yet what would you consider them?

A pothead that keeps an ounce of weed in his possession but never gets caught what do you call him?

Oh I know, undocumented felons.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:22 PM. Reason : /]

4/13/2015 2:17:49 PM

A felon, by definition, is someone who has been convicted of a felony. You cannot be a felon without the conviction. You can still be a murderer, a thief, or a druggie, but that doesn't make you a felon.

There is no such thing as an undocumented felon.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2015 2:25:25 PM

HAHAHAHAHAH

Right.

A court has to make you a felon.

That's hilarious.

A murderer not a felon?

WTF

1 /= 1

My mind is blown.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:27 PM. Reason : /]

4/13/2015 2:26:32 PM

I am not sure what you are misunderstanding here. Yes, there are people who have committed the act of murder (therefore, are murderers), who have not been convicted of any crime. Therefore, they are not felons. Felons have, by very definition, been convicted of a felony.

4/13/2015 2:30:09 PM

I convicted them.

I'm the jury.

I am the law.

I'm your peer Mr. Murderer and Dr. Druggie.

You understand now?

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:31 PM. Reason : /]

4/13/2015 2:30:56 PM

Judge Dredd ITT

Sylvester Stallone also supposedly a Republican

story checks out

4/13/2015 2:34:27 PM

^^So, I guess, since you are admitting you are a felon, you are giving up your right to vote? And as such, your opinion on to the validity of laws recommended by our legislature is unimportant.

4/13/2015 2:36:33 PM

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"If not increasing the punishment, then what's the solution? Assaults on teachers cost the state a lot of money."

Hate to use a republican tagline, but "enforce the assault laws we already have" or "criminals don't follow assault laws".

Seriously, if a student assaults a teacher in a criminal manner they should be prosecuted, and removed from the school, we do not need special felony laws just for young people.

4/13/2015 2:36:43 PM

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"I convicted them. I'm the jury. I am the law. I'm your peer Mr. Murderer and Dr. Druggie. You understand now? "

But they still have the right to vote and own guns and not check that box that say "have you ever been convicted of a felony" on job applications. Your personal definition/perception of a felon is pointless and irrelevant.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2015 2:40:10 PM

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"^^I would hope a 16 year old would understand the consequences of their actions. "

They often don't, hence why they are "minors".

There should be criminal repercussions for kids who actually assault, but we already over criminalize certain students, and this isn't going to help that problem.

If kids are beating teachers, there is a root cause that we're better off addressing, while punishing those kids.

This law just seems like a bandaid/dogwhistle that doesn't really do anything to help the problem, but politicians can use to make it seem like they're doing something useful.

4/13/2015 2:43:03 PM

Wow you're a terrible lawyer Beethoven LOL. Felons can still vote if they have finished their disposition in NC automatically without any special permission.

My personal view is totally relevant to me. That's all that matters.

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 2:51 PM. Reason : /]

4/13/2015 2:49:27 PM

Good luck being a murderer and completing your disposition in NC.

4/13/2015 2:58:19 PM

HAHAHAHAHAH

That's is true.

But they can get out if they don't get life.

Hey Beethoven you are turning me on. You mind if I hit that?

4/13/2015 3:02:11 PM

Hahaha. That's one way to end an argument for sure.

4/13/2015 3:08:51 PM

I mean really it is



PM for details.

4/13/2015 3:13:35 PM

What's the need for this?

4/13/2015 3:39:55 PM

You're too late.

4/13/2015 3:50:18 PM

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"Seriously, if a student assaults a teacher in a criminal manner they should be prosecuted, and removed from the school, we do not need special felony laws just for young people. "

/discussion, as far as I'm concerned

4/13/2015 3:58:42 PM

I'd love to see a breakdown of students that hit teachers by race. I bet I could get a real understanding of the need for this new felony.

4/13/2015 4:33:48 PM

Why would race have anything to do with hitting teachers?

4/13/2015 5:05:18 PM

Race has a impact on Republican initiatives. Its like the Kansas Republican food stamp nonsense. You won't see republicans pushing for a felony that will impact their base.

4/13/2015 5:12:37 PM

White trash doesn't like to smack teachers around?

4/13/2015 5:16:09 PM

If white trash smacked teachers at the same rate as negro trash we wouldn't be seeing this initiative.

4/13/2015 5:22:58 PM

I didn't play the race card becasue I thought it was obvious

4/13/2015 5:24:12 PM

Black man plays the race card

4/13/2015 5:26:36 PM

Do you definitely know that "negro trash" assaults teachers more often?

Welfare was a poor comparison to make since the percent of recipients who are white / black are within 1% of each other.

If there is a Republican conspiracy here it's probably more about cutting funding to those special needs programs at the schools. Don't have to fund them if the students don't exist; I would say race is pretty inconsequential.

I understand the point you are making, however. I don't agree it's a motivation is all-

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 5:37 PM. Reason : -]

4/13/2015 5:33:38 PM

I mean ... my mom works as a science teacher at an alternative school ... she's had a knife pulled on her twice and a gun once in 4 years... I'm ok with that happening less

4/13/2015 5:39:43 PM

A gun (and maybe a knife?) on school property is a felony by virtue. We are not talking about these incidents.

4/13/2015 5:45:59 PM

k carry on

4/13/2015 5:52:01 PM

DOUBLE ILLEGAL

4/14/2015 9:04:14 AM

Quote :

"I love GOP, I love republicans, I'm a conservative."

shoot, I knew for a long time that you were part of the natural Republican constituency.

4/14/2015 9:11:45 PM

GD it, we don't want him!

4/15/2015 12:39:03 PM