I pretty much agree with most of that, but

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"After being exposed, he still continues to use his right hand to swat at the officer(s) trying to extract him from the vehicle. The chemical agent is no longer effective"

He is using his right hand to try and stop the burning in his eyes, not because the tear gas isn't effective

4/13/2015 9:01:12 PM

Watch again @ the 1:33 mark.. His reaction is he goes to his eyes when he is sprayed (that's what it designed to do), but the officer reaches and he starts to slap at him on more than one occasion.

4/13/2015 9:06:00 PM

He's covering his eyes/head as he gets tasered. He's a little shit, and I agree with most of your post, but he only tasered him because he must not have wanted to actually do a little policework and grab the kid out of the car. Tasering is just easier I guess..

4/13/2015 9:08:43 PM

LOL, is there an argument about this?

Y'all were so hyped about what a bitch the kid was, but it's evident the cop is a bigger bitch.

And, again, I hope everyone is paying attention to Restricted's posts...he's our reasonable/rational police...who actually (and very sincerely--LOL) cites court cases in silly shit situations like this. And he's the reasonable one, guys...

If you've been sprayed or tased, you know all his shit is a fucking joke.

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"Restricted: the teen pulls away. Now we have gone from being a passive resistor to an active resistor. "

Hey, fuck face...have you considered law school? Cause you seem like you could be a somewhat halfway shitty attorney if you studied your words a bit.




LOL, he pulled away...he's an "active resistor"...let's fuck up a kid!!!!

[Edited on April 13, 2015 at 9:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2015 9:31:28 PM

^ he was stuck a gun in a dog's mouth that was going to try to kill him, perhaps he'd give a human the same benefit of the doubt...

4/13/2015 9:59:57 PM

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"Hey, fuck face...have you considered law school? Cause you seem like you could be a somewhat halfway shitty attorney if you studied your words a bit."

Lol. My use of words is good enough for government work.

4/13/2015 10:58:22 PM

I imagine your job is pretty hard. And, during your off time, you pounded out a bullshitty essay, with citations, on why it's always cool to spray/tase dumbasses in their cars.

That's your problem, not mine.

4/13/2015 11:45:28 PM

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"The chemical agent is no longer effective, so a TASER was used. While the TASER isn't the incorrect choice here, some good old fashioned pressure points could have been an alternative."

Restricted

Is it surprising that the cop didn't use pressure point control to put the kid down? How often are you guys required to do that type of training? If it isn't that often, I'm not surprised this cop went for the less physically demanding option of just tazering the shit out of the kid.

4/14/2015 5:15:45 AM

True.

Plus, good police know that people suspected of smoking weed should be pepper sprayed and tased twice within 60 seconds of beginning an order.

This cop took 64 seconds to get there. So he's still pretty "old fashioned."

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"Restricted: What is the problem?"

4/14/2015 7:11:54 AM

This situation would have gone differently in many different jurisdictions.

I won't go in to every action the kid or the cop does specifically because it can be interpreted a few different ways.

But most departments and agencies have different use of force continuum's that are trained on and followed by policy, which is also covered by state law.

The moment the cop gives him an order or "asks" the kid to get out of the car that will dictate if he is being compliant or passive/active resistant. So when the cops says get out of the car, and they kid says no, or doesn't get out of the car that is verbally and physically passive resistant. This is usual what is required by policy/law for a cop to use pepper gas and/or to physically remove someone from the car.

The moment the kid backs up and starts batting the cops hands away and/or kicking (can't remember if he kicked towards the cop because I can't stand to watch this video another time) that then escalates to active resistance. Again, this is what's usually required by most departments to meet the requirement for CEW (taser), physical restrains etc..

Obviously from a third person's perspective (camera) you see a whiny kid who just doesn't want to do what he's told because he wants his mommy there. If you look at it from the cops perspective of standing there at the door, you have a quickly escalating passive to active resistance to a lawful order. Now throw in the unknown danger that could be in the vehicle (weapons) on top of the probability of there being illegal contraband which could be destroyed (odor of marijuana), it's not reasonable or safe for the officer to just let the kid do as he pleases and sit in there until he's ready to come out.

Keep in mind, this is all generally speaking and every single traffic stop and detainment is different in the totality of circumstances revolving around the cop's training and experience, the suspect involved, the contraband or danger suspected, location, time, lighting, vehicle, number of persons involved (to include the number of cops) etc...

Rapidly evolving situations are quick and easy to Monday morning quarter back, but in reality should only been evaluated how when/where/how they actually occurred and to include the totality of all circumstance, policy, and laws.

In this specific situation, most cops I know would not have deployed pepper gas or CEW rather then get in there and physically remove him themselves. Not that it doesn't meet the requirements for those types of force, but personally and from experience, the exposure to pepper gas and CEW (taser) in that environment (rear seat of a 2 door vehicle) only make extraction more difficult.

Even if the kid wasn't charged with the drugs located in the car. The moment the cop requests or demands he exits the vehicle and the kid says no or doesn't, a crime has been committed.


** To add about jurisdiction and use of force continuum, Some agencies allow CEW (taser) for passive resistance, though most are only allowing this use of force for active resistance.

[Edited on April 14, 2015 at 9:06 AM. Reason : Jurisdiction/UOF]

4/14/2015 9:05:33 AM

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"Is it surprising that the cop didn't use pressure point control to put the kid down? How often are you guys required to do that type of training?"

No. Pressure points, locks, take downs, etc seem to be falling to the wayside. Why do that when you can just use the TASER? I love when you have three officers on top of a guy, pounding him or using a TASER because he is lying on his hands and it never goes anywhere. All it take is one officer to go over to the guys chin, cup both hands under the mandible and lift the dude up and off his chest...his hands will be free and he will put them out as a natural reaction.

4/14/2015 9:25:17 AM

now I see why the cops are just murdering people now, its much simpler.

but seriously, what in the actual fuck is going on with these police.

4/14/2015 8:16:58 PM

Pretty much every bad apple possible being brought to light?

Though even some examples, like this thread, are not truly bad..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRd5oucG114

4/14/2015 9:53:58 PM

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"but seriously, what in the actual fuck is going on with these police. "

we are seeing more police brutality in the media recently due to camera phones being everywhere, not due to increased police brutality i suspect

4/15/2015 7:23:56 AM

Yep, this shit always went on. Always happened. And when people would speak up about police brutality in the pasr, they were thought to be lying.

Now it is just easier to have a camera filming.

[Edited on April 15, 2015 at 7:47 AM. Reason : d]

4/15/2015 7:46:56 AM

yeah, if anything I think that the whole "because someone is a cop their word means more in court" thing needs to stop and all these incidents brought to light shows the reason why.

4/15/2015 4:57:13 PM