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"What would be your proposal, fire a couple $30k/year equipment managers and make them take the full blame?"

my proposal is to do nothing. because the wells report proved nothing. ignore the fact that an ANOVA test shows that the difference between the two gauges is statistically different and therefore can't be trusted as a unit of measurement. the investigators IGNORED the fact the ref in charge of the balls stated that he used the gauge that would have produced results in line with ideal gas laws, and instead planted a seed of doubt - a "well, i supposed i could have used the other one despite my best recollections" moment of non-clarity - and ran with it to "prove" something maybe kinda sorta happened. ANYONE who is even remotely familiar with stats or physics should be able to see how completely bullshit this investigation was

the whole report is obfuscation through volume. it's an amazingly shitty piece of science and math that was obviously concocted to drive to the verdict the NFL offices wanted. in fact, one has to wonder if the whole story was basically made up from the get go to protect the shield from having to deal with how shitty they were on domestic violence for 2 weeks leading in to the super bowl.

I can not wait for Brady and the Pats to sue the NFL over this.

5/11/2015 10:51:57 PM

I'm impressed with how fast and thorough the NFL was in this matter.

Almost makes up for them dragging their heels in the other matter of their retired stars developing brain damage and committing murder/suicides.

And domestic violence

And ripping off cancer charities

[Edited on May 11, 2015 at 10:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2015 10:52:48 PM

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"one has to wonder if the whole story was basically made up from the get go to protect the shield from having to deal with how shitty they were on domestic violence for 2 weeks leading in to the super bowl."

are you serious? you think Irsay and Bisciotti got together and invented this elaborate hoax?

5/11/2015 10:55:16 PM

no. but i think that goodell seized the opportunity to shape a narrative at a time when the office was very exposed to public criticism leading in to their money maker.

i mean for something this simple...something other teams had dealt with earlier (hello panthers at green bay)...to not just call them up and tell them to knock it off when they were forewarned about it maybe being something real. that's suspect as hell.

i mean this thing is so fucking minor. if you take all of the balls and use the measurement from the gauge the ref swore he used, the difference from actual average to ideal gas law is on the order of 2 one-hundredths of a PSI.

if you can't see that, you're the kind of rube goodell makes his money off of. go back and read the report for what it is. not what you may want it to be. not what goodell has told you it is. but really read it. read past the two jabronis text messaging each other about someone they seem to not care for. and look for the evidence. it's not there.

[Edited on May 11, 2015 at 11:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/11/2015 11:03:00 PM

maybe thats what 31 other owners wanted

5/11/2015 11:30:05 PM

would you still be ok with that argument if the owners felt that way about the Panthers?

5/12/2015 12:12:33 AM

I'd obviously be pissed if Cam missed the first 4 games and we lost a draft pick, and I wouldn't give a fuck about the fine. Goodell is the owners' puppet though. You can't possibly think none of the other owners wanted this.

The media narrative, then the hot take media narrative are both uninformed. I just focus on what is 100% which is the Pats cheating asses getting punished a little.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 12:14:23 AM

this isn't a little punishment, though

especially given the evidence (or lack thereof)

5/12/2015 12:19:55 AM

It's not like Belichik is suspended for the entire season. They'll be fine. They probably would've traded down with the 1st round pick anyway, Kraft doesn't care about the fine, and the last time Brady didn't play the Pats went 11-5. You can hate the process the NFL supposedly goes through when they make their rulings which can fluctuate highly from case to case with seemingly no precedent. It doesn't make much sense. If you want to argue for reform of that, well it needs it. But you're trying to apply the rules of a judicial trial or something when that's not how the league is run. So by the current rules, which there don't seem to be many of aside from the owners and players arguing and coming to some agreement, this played it just fine, with much of it behind closed doors and not in the report.

5/12/2015 12:28:19 AM

This is like watching the UNC of the NFL get handled in the correct fashion. All signs pointed to the Pats cheating, even though the evidence was shaky. The Pats have a history of cheating, and they got extremely tight-lipped about the whole situation. The NFL came down hard on them this time not because of the mountain of evidence against them but because of a pattern of not playing by the rules.

5/12/2015 7:57:20 AM

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"especially given the evidence (or lack thereof)"

Good thing this isn't a court of law and the same rules don't apply.

They also have the texts from the ball boy's phone from Brady and when they wanted to look at the same texts on Brady's phone he stonewalled them.

That's good enough to get it done in sports.

5/12/2015 8:15:36 AM

Is this punishment really that big of a deal? Even if Brady doesn't appeal and get it down to 2 games(which I expect he will), let's break it down.

Patriots fined $1 million.
Brady suspended 4 games without pay, saving the Patriots $1.8 million. Patriots actually MAKE money off of this.
Brady misses 4 early games, so only has to play 12 regular season games. Should help him be fresher and really, you know he's going to come out pissed off after the suspension. Sorry Colts, he's going to rip you a new one.
They're still going to win the division, because that division stinks(for now, but is improving). Hell they might go 2-2 without Brady.
They lose a 1st round pick that will likely be in the 28-32 range that they probably would have traded out of anyway.

He got a SB out of this, I'd say it's worth it. No one is going to question his "legacy" when it comes time for HoF voting.

Patriots not winning the SB this year won't have anything to do with Brady being suspended, if they lose it'll be because that secondary is pathetically bad on paper. This actually has more impact on fantasy football than it does on the actual season.

5/12/2015 8:17:27 AM

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"Is this punishment really that big of a deal?"

considering their is zero evidence it actually happened, yes, it is a big deal.

and to say goodell is the puppet of the owners - that line of thinking might have worked while he was looking like a bumbling idiot with Ray Rice. but any semblance of puppeteering is gone with this ruling. he just declared that he is above the owners and whatever rules they have in place. this ruing is all about optics. to couch it in some sort of "integrity of the game" bullshit should worry every damn owner. what's next, docking a 1st round pick because someone gets caught using adderall? the seahawks should be very worried.

the problem with saying this isn't a court of law ignores the fact this can be taken to a court of law. at the very least, this will go before an arbitrator who will turn an actually unbiased eye to the evidence. and at that point, it all falls apaer. this is simply the first step. and goodell fucked it up as badly as a cop forgetting to mirandize someone.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 9:05:39 AM

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"They lose a 1st round pick that will likely be in the 28-32 range that they probably would have traded out of anyway."

that they would have been compensated for...

5/12/2015 9:44:27 AM

So if Brady appeals, this likely drops to 2 games. He still lied to the NFL during the investigation, that isn't going to change. Now way an arbitrator comes in and takes it from 4 games to 0 games.

5/12/2015 9:47:25 AM

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"he just declared that he is above the owners and whatever rules they have in place"

You know that if 3/4 of owners want him gone, they could get him gone immediately, right? Goodell is appointed BY THE OWNERS. Anything Goodell does is basically what the owners decide. If he goes rogue like you claim and the owners aren't happy, they can get rid of him. But 31 owners are probably happy about this decision.

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"considering their is zero evidence it actually happened, yes, it is a big deal."

I am not sure if you're naive, or if you're putting too much stock in a redacted report or what. You sound like somebody wearing red and blue blinders to say there is zero evidence that Brady was aware that his equipment managers were deflating balls per his request. You're basically saying that the Colts and Ravens are just making shit up and worst case, it was a couple rogue equipment guys. It sounds absurd.

5/12/2015 9:48:07 AM

no shit, sherlock. but that's my whole point (if you go back and read my posts). goodell has stopped being a puppet and decided to become judge dredd. and no, i don't think the owners are happy with this development. it sets an extremely dangerous precedent for something like this. and maybe they don't fire him for this one occurrence. but maybe they do when an actual independent arbitrator rules the whole thing is a scam. or maybe he lasts until the next time he fucks over a team for a no-evidence situation.

and lol at "blinders" - I'm no pats fan. i just know bullshit when I see it. the simple fact is that if you take the ref's word - that he used one specific pressure gauge to test the balls, the measurements at halftime are two one-hundredths of a PSI off from where the ideal gas law says they should be. meaning the balls never were deflated. meaning all the bullshit about the equipment managers is just that, bullshit.

look, the equipment manager was exposed as a big talker and liar when it came to the 50k yard ball, right? and he's shown vitriol to Brady in his text messages because Brady busted his balls for OVER INFLATED balls. but suddenly this guy is the fucking pope on deflategate? FOH.

anybody who reads the report and wants to see what happened instead of just wanting confirmation of a bullshit story they've bought hook line and sinker already can see the whole thing is a farce.

the crux is this: the report not only doesn't show that brady was aware of deflation, it can't even show that there WAS deflation.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 9:58 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 9:55:41 AM

So the Colts and Ravens are liars that colluded to try and unjustly get the Patriots punished? I'm just wondering how many times you've read through the whole 273 page report to be more certain of what happened than other NFL teams.

5/12/2015 10:00:54 AM

do you even know what the fuck the ravens were in the report for?

footnote 24 on page 45:

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"The email referenced as the basis for the request information said to come from the Baltimore Ravens that Ravens players had not been provided with Ravens-prepared kicking balls during the divisional playoff game"

you're showing your ass here.

5/12/2015 10:09:46 AM

Keep ignoring everything other than your redacted report

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/deflategate-baltimore-ravens-indianapolis-colts-deflated-footballs-012115

5/12/2015 10:20:53 AM

This is the dumbest "big" sports story every. Patriots are just either unlucky or dumb enough to have been caught twice doing things that every other team in the league does. Can't stand when people think that these types of things are isolated to a single team in a league where coaches and players are rotating teams constantly. If one team was doing something that no other team was doing the minute a guy was released he'd start going off on that organization. It is a copycat league, even for these types of things. Same with bountygate, spygate, whatever else. These are not unique to the Saints or Patriots. The guys on ESPN talk all the time about putting crisco all over their uniforms. Jerry rice used stick'em(think he was the only WR ever?). I thought we all accepted there were these gray areas in sports rules that we are OK with, and that line is drawn somewhere around performance enhancing drugs(which by the way, many people are more upset with Brady than they are people who have been caught using PEDs).

Just dumb. People just making a big deal because they can't stand Brady and the Patriots and are using this as an excuse to help them sleep at night.

I can also add that the arbitrary and random punishment from the league is also a joke. I can't believe how the giant that is the NFL lets internet heroes govern their sport the way they do.

/rant

5/12/2015 10:40:58 AM

I haven't been following this as much as some of you because I think this is a really stupid issue.. but haven't multiple other quarterbacks gone on record to say they prefer their balls overinflated, underinflated, brand new, worn out, etc etc etc. Isn't this all just down to personal preference of the guy throwing the ball hundreds of times per week? If it actually gave a performance advantage wouldn't everyone want their balls the same way?

5/12/2015 10:42:43 AM

HAHA I knew it. You're taking "media reports" over actual fucking reports. You're a fucking clown.

What, you think the Wells report would EXCLUDE another report of deflated balls from the report, but include the anecdote about incorrect K balls?

LOL at you. You are exactly the kind of rube Goodell counts on.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 10:45:44 AM

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"You're taking "media reports" over actual fucking reports."

I think Jay Glazer has a better grasp of the pulse of the NFL than some outsider attorney

But keep championing the hot take conspiracy theory, it's so cutting edge

Even the Patriots disagree with a lot of the report, but according to you it's the ONLY thing that's factual

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 11:10 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 11:09:44 AM

there are plenty of Hot Takes to be found with this story, but they aren't the ones hammering Goodell

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 11:40:17 AM

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"I think Jay Glazer has a better grasp of the pulse of the NFL than some outsider attorney"

HAHAHAHA

Nah you're right - I bet Glazer has a better idea of what the Ravens and Colts talked about than John Fucking Harbaugh or Chuck Fucking Pagano.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12263313/john-harbaugh-baltimore-ravens-says-did-not-tip-indianapolis-colts-new-england-patriots-underinflated-balls

and I'm the hot-taking conspiracy theory guy? lol - what a fucking clown. i've seen baboons who show their ass less than you do

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 12:02:29 PM

So you think Ted Wells knows more about the NFL landscape than Jay Glazer? Do you even follow the NFL?

If Harbaugh says they didn't tip off the Colts, that must be the truth. Why wouldn't he admit it in public?

Yes you're definitely the conspiracy guy. You've said numerous times that you think this was all made up and there is no evidence that any balls were even deflated in the first place. I guess you also discredit any eyewitness accounts about a crime and trust the police report 100% because it's an actual report...

I'm sorry the NFL doesn't have to release all the evidence that they've gathered to prove to you that Brady was in on the cheating. They owe you a personal apology.


[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 2:34 PM. Reason : there's no conrete evidence that OJ killed Nicole Brown]

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 2:39 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 2:30:17 PM

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"If Harbaugh says they didn't tip off the Colts, that must be the truth. Why wouldn't he admit it in public?"

JAY GLAZER KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE RAVENS THAN JOHN HARBAUGH

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"I guess you also discredit any eyewitness accounts about a crime and trust the police report 100% because it's an actual report..."

It's funny you should use this language...

Page 52:

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"Although Anderson?s best recollection is that he used the Logo Gauge, he said that it is certainly possible that he used the Non-Logo Gauge. (Footnote 30)"

Footnote 30 (also on page 54):

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"For the reasons described in Section VII.B, we believe it is more probable that Anderson used the Non-Logo Gauge for his pre-game measurements."

Section VII.B (page 116-117):

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"In addition, Exponent determined that when the Logo and Non-Logo Gauges measure an identical pressure, different readings are produced. According to Exponent, the Logo Gauge produced readings that were generally in the range of 0.3-0.4 psi higher than the NonLogo Gauge. However, for a given set of measurements, the differential between the gauges generally remained consistent when compared to a calibrated gauge. In other words, in the short term, both the Logo Gauge and Non-Logo Gauge read consistently, though differently from each other. Exponent?s experimental results were aligned with the measurements recorded at halftime, which indicated a consistent gauge-to-gauge differential of 0.3-0.45 psi. Exponent relied upon this information, as well as the fact that during the testing the Non-Logo Gauge never produced a reading higher than the Logo Gauge, to conclude that Walt Anderson most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge to inspect the game balls prior to the game, that Clete Blakeman most likely used the Non-Logo Gauge and Dyrol Prioleau most likely used the Logo 117 Gauge to test the Patriots game balls at halftime, and that the game officials most likely switched gauges before measuring the Colts balls at halftime (with the one anomaly described above). "

Exponent made a test to produce under-inflated results and thus determined, contrary to Walt Anderson's best recollection - his eye witness account - that he used the Logo Gauge. They created a test so they could prove that he used the gauge that could produce the results Exponent created in its test. They relied on their information to prove their information.

And the MOST LIKELY scenario relies not only on the referee tasked with doing this job basically lying in his testimony about his recollection, but that the other two referees are also dumb enough to then switch the gauges they were using to then test the Colts balls.

This defies reason. There's a reason why Occam's Razor is a thing. To find the balls under inflated, they had to assume three referees all fucked up on measuring and basically lied about what gauges they used. To get to the findings, they had to rely on a "certainly possible" to overturn testimony and four "most likely" qualifiers to describe a keystone cops gauge fuckup.

But I guess in this case the police report is 100% correct? Jesus christ man, did you even read it?

That's not fucking conspiracy theory. That's reading the report for what it is. Fabricated bullshit.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 3:44 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 3:15:53 PM

Finally you admit the report is fabricated bullshit. Yet you hold it as the gospel, ignoring all the evidence that the NFL didn't disclose.

And yes, Jay Glazer knows a lot more about the Ravens than Ted Wells, an outsider attorney, since you can't fucking read.

5/12/2015 3:45:53 PM

Yeah, keep harping on the Jay Glazer bit. You've got nothing else. The fact you can't comprehend anything beyonf that shows who really has the glasses on around here.

Fucking clown.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 3:51:51 PM

I simply said Jay Glazer knew more about the NFL than Ted Wells, and you started going off on tangents about John Harbaugh. Glazer is regarded as being as in the know as any NFL journalist, not some white collar attorney brought in to fabricate a report.

Keep holding the NFL to the same standard as the judicial system and getting mad when it doesn't work out that way

5/12/2015 3:52:52 PM

Because John Harbaugh came out and said, in not so few words, Jay Glazer is full of shit.

But you of the anti-occam's razor believes Harbaugh is a liar and this report from 111 days ago that has not been corroborated anywhere is the fucking gospel.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 3:53:21 PM

Harbaugh publicly denied ratting out the Patriots. What the fuck would you expect him to do, admit it to ESPN? Fucking moron.

5/12/2015 3:55:46 PM

And so this multi-million dollar report commissioned by the NFL to prove that the Pats cheated and deflated balls just decided to ignore the report from Glazer, buy Harbaugh's lie, and instead lie about the content of the communication between the Ravens and the Colts prior to the game? Despite the fact that such communication would have been a critical part of proving their ultimate conclusion of a conspiracy to delfate balls?

Fucking moron.

5/12/2015 3:59:37 PM

yes, the multi million dollar report commissioned by 31 owners didn't want to implicate 2 of the 31. or do you get completely surprised when a witness to a gang murder doesn't want to testify in court too?

5/12/2015 4:03:44 PM

Not having read the report, it sounded like Wells today said that the key undeniable piece of evidence in all this is a guy calling himself "the deflator" in a text message from before the season even started?

5/12/2015 4:03:49 PM

^yes, the key piece of evidence is that, from the same guy who admitted he lied ad nauseam about having Brady's 50k yard football in his personal collection.

^^It would have been quicker to say "yes, I'm a fucking moron."

And you have the testicular fortitude to call me a conspiracy theorist. LOL at you.

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 4:05:35 PM

I almost envy how retarded you are. Almost.

5/12/2015 4:52:25 PM

Quote :

"[quote]And the MOST LIKELY scenario relies not only on the referee tasked with doing this job basically lying in his testimony about his recollection, but that the other two referees are also dumb enough to then switch the gauges they were using to then test the Colts balls. This defies reason. There's a reason why Occam's Razor is a thing. To find the balls under inflated, they had to assume three referees all fucked up on measuring and basically lied about what gauges they used. To get to the findings, they had to rely on a "certainly possible" to overturn testimony and four "most likely" qualifiers to describe a keystone cops gauge fuckup. "

the numbers in the appendix back up this claim extremely well. the referee states that he couldn't state with certainty which gauge he used, and there is no explanation for the Patriots balls reading less than the Colts balls consistently on both gauges. Either the Patriots deflated their balls, or the Colts overinflated theirs. There is statistical analysis showing why the Colts balls being overinflated isn't possible and that the pressure of the Colts balls measured at halftime are almost identical to what should have been measured in the transient analysis section on page 42 of the report.

I've wondered if it would be possible to deflate the footballs after breaking them in and then pumping them up immediately before taking them to the referees for testing, thus artificially raising the temperature inside the football enough to cause the pressure drop.

5/12/2015 8:05:13 PM

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"the referee states that he couldn't state with certainty which gauge he used"

that's a mischaracterization of what he said. walt anderson said that he used one gauge. then the investigators got him to open the door to "well maybe you could have forgotten, dontcha think" and when he finally said yes, they ran with it. it's a classic investigation technique. it why people get put in interrogations for hours. sow doubt then when the interviewee opens the door, pour through it.


[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 10:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 10:02:13 PM

http://yourteamcheats.com

"but everyone does it!" is something UNC fans say though, so fuck it.

5/12/2015 10:23:23 PM

^^that's just bullshit you're saying to back up your opinion, one which has no factual basis. The report states that the ref thought he knew which gauge he used but wasn't sure, and the statistical analysis clearly shows which gauge was used for each measurement. there's no reason to claim there's some conspiracy with the ref changing his mind on what gauge was used, because the numbers paint a clear picture regardless of his testimony.

5/12/2015 10:50:43 PM

the only thing the statistical analysis shows is that there is a statistical difference between the two gauges that was used.

because there are no numbers from the pre-game measurements, are there? the only thing they have to base the pre-game measurements on are walt anderson's...what's the word i'm looking for...oh right....recollections.

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"Anderson recalls that most of the Patriots footballs measured 12.5 psi, though there may have been one or two that measured 12.6 psi...According to Anderson, when tested, most of the Colts footballs measured 13.0 or 13.1 psi. Anderson believes that there may have been one or two footballs that registered 12.8 or 12.9 psi, but recalls that it was “pretty evident that their target was 13.” "

so to recap - the findings of the investigation hinges on believing his perfect recollection of the exact PSI of a few dozen footballs, but not the gauge he used to take those readings

[Edited on May 12, 2015 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2015 11:26:02 PM

the ballboys were present during the measuring pre-game, as they had to make adjustments to balls that didn't measure right. They confirmed the numbers. It makes sense that a ref would remember the number he was checking but not the gauge he was using the check with.

That number doesn't even matter though; 12.5psi is the lowest the balls could have been by regulation. If those numbers were flopped, it's even more damning for the patriots. 12.5 gives the benefit of the doubt to the Patriots, and even then the numbers don't work.

stop getting so caught up in the testimony and look at the science. the numbers prove there was tampering; the testimony/texting/refusal to participate show guilt.

5/12/2015 11:37:08 PM

if the gauge that walt anderson recalled using was in fact used to measure the pats balls to 12.5 PSI in pregame activities, the delta from the measurements taken by the same gauge at halftime are almost exactly in line with what the ideal gas law says they should be.

that's the whole point here. without ignoring what walt testified, there is no case of deflation. so his word is taken verbatim about everything else, but ignored on the one piece of testimony that would completely vindicate the pats.

[Edited on May 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2015 10:02:13 AM

except they are not. The balls were taken back inside for measurement, and there is an entire section dedicated to showing how quickly the balls would warm back up during the measuring period. Testing showed that the balls would have quickly returned back to the temperature of the initial testing site, and the balls were not close to what ideal gas law would have predicted. I even gave you the page number in the report where this is covered. Read the report before you go spewing ignorance from mouthpiece reporters bashing the report.

5/13/2015 10:17:42 AM

My only issue with this whole thing is the same issue I have with a lot of the NFL's player punishments: there's little consistency and everything seems to be totally arbitrary, seemingly based on the mood of whoever is overseeing that player's case on that particular day

PEDs have set punishments for each violation, same with getting caught doing the fun drugs, so I'm cool with that. But everything else is arbitrary. Hell, even the new domestic violence policy said it would be six games, but then Hardy gets hit with 10 b/c fuck you Hardy that's why. If you want to say "lying to the league why they're investigating you gets you a 2 game ban & the team being investigated will forfeit a 1st rounder" and non-PED forms of gaining a competitive advantage gets you 2 games (or docking a team a 3rd round pick if it wasn't a player that was at fault), and those numbers double or triple or whatever for repeat offenders then say that's the deal. But to just have arbitrary punishments handed out willy-nilly seems ridiculous to me

5/13/2015 11:27:08 AM

for the 121612371237th time: the NFL is NOT a court of law! Goodell's job is to do the owners; bidding. He's not a judge.

[Edited on May 13, 2015 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2015 11:53:40 AM

Don't know why being against arbitrary punishment means I view Goodell as some kind of supreme court justice?

I think NCSU should treat people who cheat on exams in similar manners, doesn't mean I view the professors or Chancellor as judge or the school as a court of law either

[Edited on May 13, 2015 at 1:10 PM. Reason : autocorrect]

5/13/2015 1:10:17 PM

Seems like you've been alive long enough now to realize nothing in life is fair. You're gonna have a bad time if you keep holding onto the idea that it should be.

5/13/2015 1:14:45 PM