"Voter fraud" is dog whistle racism.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:03 PM. Reason : Peace, we outta here.]

7/13/2015 4:03:36 PM

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"Ok I will go along with the law if you have to show photo ID to a notary to vote via absentee ballot. There is nothing in place right now to keep all the old republican voters from requesting an absentee ballot for their whole household and voting for them. This is obviously a threat to voting security. "

You have to have two witnesses to vote absentee.

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" In the presence of two witnesses (or one witness if the witness is a notary-public), the voter should mark the ballot, or cause it to be marked according to his or her instructions. Once the ballot is marked, the voter or a person assisting the voter must seal the ballot in the container-return envelope and must then complete the Absentee Application and Certificate on the back of the ballot container-return envelope. The voter’s witnesses must complete and sign the envelope in the space designated as Witnesses’ Certification (or Alternative Notary-Witness Certification, if using a notary-public as the witness). If someone assisted the voter, the assister must sign and date the certificate as well. "

7/13/2015 4:04:18 PM

How are we verifying the photo ID of the witnesses? The witness could be the fucking dog or goldfishe and no one would know.

The witnesses need to display photo ID to serve as a witness or the system is full of holes.

7/13/2015 4:06:37 PM

That $0.49 postage stamp poll tax is unconstitutional in the first place, amirite?

7/13/2015 4:08:31 PM

LOL

But, yes, actually it is.

7/13/2015 4:09:58 PM

Sounds like you've found your loophole. Now, all those without IDs can just register and vote absentee. They don't have to take time off work, show ID, or even pay bus fare. Solves all the problems brought up in this thread.

Only downside is that it requires prior planning. Can't request an absentee ballot and vote on election day. Have to do it ahead of time.

7/13/2015 4:10:17 PM

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"I bet you had some sort of ID (including passport) when you openned the above bank account"

Really? A fucking passport? You didn't think that one through did you?

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"Try to cash that same check with a teller who doesn't know you by name and see how that works out"

Dude. It has nothing to do with a particular cashier. You're not required to show ID to deposit money, at least not at SECU. Might vary by bank and what/how much you're depositing. I've put $ into family members accounts etc

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"because of people who get paid cash under the table"

Is that really the only scenario you can see people getting paid in cash? Really?

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"depositing checks != cashing checks. "

No shit??? You saw the problem with your argument/logic in your own post when you brought up the direct deposit alternative! Don't know why you're belaboring this...



[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:15 PM. Reason : it's nice to see TT and HUR team up]

7/13/2015 4:12:10 PM

THE CONSTITUTION GRANTS POWER TO SET POSTAGE RATES TO *CONGRESS ALONE*

THE USPS IS A ***PRIVATE ORGANIZATION!!!*** THAT HAS *ILLEGALLY* CHARGED AMERICANS FOR DECADES

THE LAST TIME CONGRESS SET POSTAGE WAS ***SIX (6) CENTS PER OUNCE IN 1967***

7/13/2015 4:12:31 PM

Synapse, when did I ever claim you need an ID to deposit a check? Keep fighting the strawman fight though and ignoring that you need an ID to cash a check.

7/13/2015 4:17:03 PM

Fair point, but:

But again this goes back to this stupid point you made:

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"How do you cash your check for that job without an ID in the first place"

Which you've already seen the holes in.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2015 4:19:03 PM

Holy shit, are you trolling? Or are you really this bad at reading?

7/13/2015 4:19:30 PM

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2015 4:20:09 PM

love all those edits instead of admitting pwnage

7/13/2015 4:23:04 PM

Hey I admitted it when I said fair point

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:24 PM. Reason : Speaking of pwnage how u feel about that original point you made?]

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:29 PM. Reason : V even though you don't need ID to get paid from a job. k.]

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:38 PM. Reason : V perhaps you've heard of the service industry ]

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:52 PM. Reason : V Naw they probably deposit them, without being required to show an ID ]

7/13/2015 4:23:38 PM

Feel pretty good about it considering the only way you thought you had "won" was to change my argument

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:33 PM. Reason : won't someone think of the voting rights of strippers who keep their money in their mattress]

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM. Reason : servers get paychecks (even if they're sometimes for $0), buddy]

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 4:42 PM. Reason : maybe they just say fuck the $2.13 an hour and only keep the tips. just shred the checks.]

7/13/2015 4:25:11 PM

I don't feel like reading the new voter ID language, and I don't know what type of law Beethoven practices, but I imagine her opinion might be pretty informed.

But we all understand and respect the spirit of voting rights and free and fair elections, right?

Like, this stuff about "if you don't have $10" is garbage. You can't seriously say shit like that when examining the way we handle elections.

Now our political system is naturally pretty shitty so it doesn't feel like something I'm troubled to protect, but we gotta protect what we have. And HUR is missing the point in a really bad way.

7/13/2015 4:31:08 PM

I think a far more important issue than the Voter ID law is the redistricting and gerrymandering that is prevalent in NC. That would go a long way to making elections much more fair.

7/13/2015 4:36:25 PM

As far as how people handle their money matters without ID...my friend provides assistance to working class folks, and the thing she's encountering now is people who are remunerated for their labor with prepaid VISA cards.

Like, it's not even that they don't have a bank account. They straight up don't have cash.

In some ways it's more convenient than having to use a check cashing place, but on the other hand, those prepaid VISA cards are somewhat limited. It's weird.

^I agree.

7/13/2015 4:40:50 PM

Not until the republicans have to use a photo ID and notary to vote from home.

They should not be voting if they cant afford a notary and photo ID.

7/13/2015 4:42:45 PM

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"In some ways it's more convenient than having to use a check cashing place"

Yeah I figure anytime you can avoid having to set foot in one of those places you're doing good.

7/13/2015 4:43:04 PM

Yeah, but those prepaid VISA cards aren't valid for a lot of things, and it's not "real money." Like, you can't move your money around.

Not paying taxes is cool and all, but if that's the game, I'd much rather have bossman hand me some hundreds on Friday afternoon.

I'm wrong. You can use them at an ATM.

(As far as checks go, the grocery stores that cash checks aren't all that predatory. I think it's mostly just a pain, having to cash checks and then get money orders to pay your bills.)

^^I think you make a good point.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 5:25 PM. Reason : I looked it up.]

7/13/2015 4:59:55 PM

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"Now our political system is naturally pretty shitty so it doesn't feel like something I'm troubled to protect, but we gotta protect what we have. And HUR is missing the point in a really bad way."

what point is that????

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""Voter fraud" is dog whistle racism."

That the voter ID law is somehow a mean racist policy targeting the poor minorities struggling with their 12 hour shifts at McDonalds that over
a fucking year can't take a morning off to go get a ID card. Something tells me that if someone white/black/asian/etc cared that much
about voting (what is the turn-out <40%) they would find a way.

Plus I think waiving the $10 is too generous. I'm sure the poorest of the poor (i.e. the homeless) have managed to spend $10 on something
non-essential over the year that could have been put to their ID card. Hell in Portland a recent survey came out in the Mercury (a very left leaning magazine)
breaking down how homeless spend their change on average. While less than 1/3 of people spent money on drugs. 60% and 75% did admit spending on alcohol
and cigarettes respectively. If the free ID's gets the bleeding hearts like synapse to finally cave and go along with having a ID at the voting booth
instead of crying every night that some poor sole didn't get to cast their ballot since they couldn't muster $10 than so be it.

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"I think a far more important issue than the Voter ID law is the redistricting and gerrymandering that is prevalent in NC. That would go a long way to making elections much more fair. "

I support re-districting. The current districts heavily favor republicans who seem more into enacting Sharia Christian law and destroying
the environment for corporate greed than practicing fiscal conservatism

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 5:06 PM. Reason : a]

7/13/2015 5:04:58 PM

Even drunks and junkies should get to vote. It doesn't matter what they did with their ten dollars. And it doesn't matter that they're probably not gonna vote anyway.

Our laws need to reflect that freedom, and that's the point you're missing.

As a matter of practicality, none of this stuff is particularly important.

As a matter of principle, this issue is the most important one of all.

7/13/2015 5:11:51 PM

^^Well said, it is just the NAACP playing the race card and trying to make Republicans look bad, so Democrats can win the elections. When did early voting even start? I don't remember hearing about it when I was growing up, or even the first time I voted (Gore vs Bush).

7/13/2015 5:17:57 PM

Well they have their freedom to hold onto their quarters to obtain a state issue ID card. If the cost of an ID were arbitrarily raised to $150 then there may be an argument.

This state issued ID card serves other purposes besides being your right to entry at the voting booth (which I attribute more as a "pool tax")

7/13/2015 5:18:32 PM

I'm not gonna get all uppity with some bullshit about democracy or our democratic republic or whatever.

But, dude, free and fair elections are important...even in a system that's as fucked up as ours.

To be clear, nobody else in this thread is saying, "If you can't save ten dollars, fuck you! You don't get to vote!" You're the only one saying that.

We can debate many aspects of this issue except for your point-of-view. Your view is summarily wrong.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 5:37 PM. Reason : sss]

7/13/2015 5:36:56 PM

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"some poor sole"

7/13/2015 5:41:23 PM

lolololol y'all still think votes matter

7/13/2015 5:49:01 PM

^No, but we have to pretend they do.

7/13/2015 5:51:55 PM

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"To be clear, nobody else in this thread is saying, "If you can't save ten dollars, fuck you! You don't get to vote!" You're the only one saying that."

Well I am so fuck them and fuck you too.

7/13/2015 6:09:12 PM

7/13/2015 6:21:38 PM

As much as we give out to those that need it and to those that don't, I'm ok using some of those subsidies to pay for voter ID cards, if that is what we, as a state and eventually as a nation, decide to do.

7/13/2015 6:28:00 PM

What about shortening voting hours and the early voting period, including banning Sunday early voting?


Does everyone think the GOP did that to keep the elections secure?

7/13/2015 6:39:51 PM

^I'm pretty sure they have the same number of hours, but fewer days of early voting. Seriously though, it is just a bunch of upset democrats playing the race card. The polls are open something like 12+ hours. If you can't find time to go vote on election day, or do early voting, then you have problems.

The person who works the early morning shift (6 or 7 am) can go vote after work. The person who has a start of shift that is after 8 am can go vote before they go to work. The unemployed person has plenty of time to go to the polls too. And if you are serious about voting then find time to go register before the deadline and don't wait until election day. This is kind of like the pro choice people who are upset because there is a 72 hour waiting period in NC. If you find out you are pregnant and want an abortion then don't wait until the final hour to have it done.

7/13/2015 6:59:30 PM

Do you think the line will move as quickly once the photo ID thing starts?

7/13/2015 7:15:16 PM

B4C is like a Single-A lifer who just got called up to the big leagues for the 1st time at age 38

7/13/2015 7:39:03 PM

hmm, so still nothing in the thread that makes me think that having an ID to vote is a bad idea.

7/13/2015 8:03:17 PM

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"This is kind of like the pro choice people who are upset because there is a 72 hour waiting period in NC. If you find out you are pregnant and want an abortion then don't wait until the final hour to have it done."

This law is stupid. Has no logic behind it and in no way improves our society.



[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 8:09 PM. Reason : a]

7/13/2015 8:08:32 PM

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"What about shortening voting hours and the early voting period, including banning Sunday early voting? "

I prefer to have flexibility when I vote, but if I have one day to vote, then I'm not gonna complain, and suck it up and go vote.

7/13/2015 8:15:36 PM

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"This law is stupid. Has no logic behind it and in no way improves our society."

True, but even if you don't like it, wait the 72 hours after you find out you are pregnant and go have it done, if you want one. It's not that big of a deal. The same thing goes for voting. Don't wait until the final hour to register, or get an ID. Do the paper work early and go vote.

7/13/2015 8:28:13 PM

Voter ID and other voting laws were not seriously discussed until Barack Obama was elected. And they are definitely intended to limit the voting of targeted populations.

Early voting was extremely popular, especially among African Americans, so they cut early voting.

Again, as long as they're free and accessible, y'all do what you want with the IDs. But don't tell me this stuff is not racially motivated.


I guess I don't really care. Y'all resegregated our schools with a straight face...so I'm not surprised about this shit.

7/13/2015 8:33:23 PM

^Oddly enough, Obama and the government threatened to get involved with the issue here in NC and Texas. However, they didn't threaten the states that voted democrat in the presidential race that have the same types of voter ID laws.

7/13/2015 8:38:32 PM

LOL, that's weird but not surprising.

Still, that's not a justification for continuing to pass laws intended to limit voting.

7/13/2015 8:48:26 PM

when I said Single-A ball, I meant tee-ball

7/13/2015 8:49:15 PM

^^Well if people in Virginia can show their ID before they vote then why can't people in NC? Honestly, it's no big deal. I think it should be the law to show your ID when you vote. It takes just a few seconds. Like I said, the NAACP is blowing this way out of proportion. I worked at a grocery store for 7 years that was on the edge of a ghetto area where there were a lot of black people living. They always showed their ID when they bought alcohol.

7/13/2015 8:58:50 PM

I don't care. But I think it'd be cool if you were honest that these laws are intended to suppress the vote.

When they make me people get IDs, show IDs, and start taking popular voting days away--specifically the first Sunday before the election when a ton of black people go vote together after church--you need to admit that they're trying to limit the amount of people who vote.

7/13/2015 9:12:41 PM

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"I think it should be the law to show your ID when you vote. It takes just a few seconds."

Well fuck I'm convinced!

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"they're trying to limit the amount of people who vote"

Clearly. Look at the who all of the things they're attempting to eliminate or restrict are popular with.

7/13/2015 9:21:06 PM

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"But I think it'd be cool if you were honest that these laws are intended to suppress the vote. When they make me people get IDs, show IDs, and start taking popular voting days away--specifically the first Sunday before the election when a ton of black people go vote together after church--you need to admit that they're trying to limit the amount of people who vote."

This.

7/13/2015 9:34:00 PM

Making people get IDs is more about Big Brother than racism. Ya'll mugs will throw the racism label on a lot of stuff. Things like changing early voting have racial intentions, that doesn't mean any and every voting law does. People start playing the race card so you forget that the government is tracking you.

What if the Republican nominee was a black dude, would they want to supress black votes?

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 9:49 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 9:47:33 PM

I am sure all the rednecks are gonna vote for Dr. Ben Carson in the primaries. That will prove there is no racism in peoples political leanings.

7/13/2015 10:06:29 PM