And if you don't think racism is a problem in many police forces/courts you're being willfully ignorant.

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"The exchanges between the city's top court clerk and two police officers were discovered during a U.S. Justice Department investigation of racial prejudice in the city's police and judicial system."

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"Another showed a photo of bare-chested dancing women, apparently in Africa, with the caption "Michelle Obama's High School Reunion!" A June 2011 email described a man trying to put his dogs on welfare because the canines were "mixed in color, unemployed, lazy, can't speak English and have no ... clue who their Daddies are." One email showed Ronald Reagan, an actor before becoming President, feeding a chimp in the 1951 comedy "Bedtime for Bonzo," with the caption: "Rare photo of Ronald Reagan babysitting Barack Obama in 1962.""

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"The officers used racially derogatory terms to refer to people they encountered while on duty and talked about "killing n******," according to investigative documents."

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"I'd have the noose ready"

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" “Cross burning lowers blood pressure!” one text stated — and when another officer told him about the promotion of a black officer in the department, he responded: “Fuckin n***er."

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"When asked, “Do you celebrate quanza [sic] at your school?” Furminger responded, “Yeah we burn the cross on the field! Then we celebrate Whitemas.” And when the sergeant received a text message saying, “N****rs should be spayed,” Furminger wrote back, “Ask my 6 year old what he thinks about Obama.”"

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"In one, Furminger told an officer his wife’s friend was at his home and “her husband is black! If [sic] is an Attorney but should I be worried?” The officer, who is not identified in the documents, told Furminger, “Get ur pocket gun. Keep it available in case the monkey returns to his roots. Its [sic] not against the law to put an animal down.”"

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"In the texts, Furminger used racial epithets, bragged that a relative was a slave auctioneer, and joked about the Ku Klux Klan."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/ferguson-justice-department-report-emails/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/politics/doj-police-racially-offensive-text-messages/
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Fort-Lauderdale-Police-to-Discuss-Internal-Affairs-Investigation-297057771.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/06/i-was-a-st-louis-cop-my-peers-were-racist-and-violent-and-theres-only-one-fix/
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/7/8562077/police-racism-implicit-bias
http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/racist-texts-between-san-francisco-cops-spark-review-of-3000#.ua2yxpPy6 (14 officers)


[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 3:51 PM. Reason : HUR's probably chuckling reading these exchanges]

7/22/2015 3:50:35 PM

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" I think power hungry cops are a problem that all people should be angry about and I think a lot of opportunity to fix the system is lost when every Michael Brown incident turns into a "the cops just hates black people" instead of dealing with police abuse power and it's effect on all people."

I'm really losing the point you're trying to make.

I'm pretty sure everybody ITT agrees that police brutality is a problem for everybody, and realizes that there are cases out there of white cop on white suspect brutality (or black cop on white suspect, etc.). It's just statistically more prevalent among the black community, and there are more white cops. And yes, the media has been hyping every story of white cop on black suspect, so that's what most people are focusing on. But noone is arguing that it doesn't potentially effect all people. Since the media is hyping that white on black brutality, why not use that to address all police brutality? I think that's kinda what's being done.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2015 4:04:25 PM

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"I'm sure you are right in a lot of that but I still maintain that many of these "incidents" are more due to power-tripping cops rather than every cop is a racist bigot that hates black people. "

This is fundamentally what everyone is saying.

The fact that it's associated with #blacklivesmatter is mostly due to the fact these incidents, for other reasons, tend to affect blacks more. Even if all cops were perfect gentleman and were professional in all interactions, you would still possibly have overpolicing and extra harassment of black people.

It seems like you are inclined to be against police reform, because it's currently associated with racial issues, but if it weren't the people bringing this up in part because of racial issues, police reform wouldn't be on anyone's radar. You should just accept your allies in the #blacklivesmatter movements
as part of your police reform agenda, you'll all be happier

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"The media though eats up any incident of white on black police abuse and it is always guilty until innocent that the cop was racist until proven otherwise. I think power hungry cops are a problem that all people should be angry about and I think a lot of opportunity to fix the system is lost when every Michael Brown incident turns into a "the cops just hates black people" instead of dealing with police abuse power and it's effect on all people."

It's not a good excuse to not support police reform, because you don't like, or don't want to admit, that racism is a problem and feel the 2 issues are too closely linked. Worst case scenario, someone thinks you like black people too much, best case scenario, you work towards helping solve 2 different problems.

7/22/2015 4:11:30 PM

Details and nuance appear to be far too complex for the knuckle dragger.

7/22/2015 4:12:25 PM

It seems that he's almost resorting into a "victim-mentality"... like "police brutality effects all people, why are the blacks getting all the attention and us whites have to stand in the shadows!?!?!"

7/22/2015 4:16:56 PM

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"It seems that he's almost resorting into a "victim-mentality"... like "police brutality effects all people, why are the blacks getting all the attention and us whites have to stand in the shadows!?!?!" "

This mentality is extremely common amongst the younger generations. IIRC, a majority of younger millennials (might just be younger white millennials) frame things this way. It's pretty disturbing, but I guess we're entering a future where decisions are based on mob-rule.

7/22/2015 4:23:12 PM

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"Since the media is hyping that white on black brutality, why not use that to address all police brutality? I think that's kinda what's being done."

I agree but the community response from the African American community and media spin always seems to turn the incident into a racial issue not a police brutality issue.

Hell one of the democratic candidate practically got booed off stage for saying "all lives matter".

7/22/2015 4:35:05 PM

Cus it's a race issue bruh

7/22/2015 4:42:38 PM

I love HUR's story about the cop being vigilant on the white DRUNK DRIVER.

Definitely analogous to getting beaten (and potentially murdered) for changing lanes without a turn signal.


God bless America... https://youtu.be/1yEQDBSt58w

7/22/2015 8:26:30 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/us/california-police-officer-killed/index.html

White lives matter too!!!!!

Oh wait, the mean racist cop probably pulled Estrada over since he looked Mexican and got what was coming to him.

AM I RITE

7/23/2015 1:34:36 AM

^ to be completely pedantic, it could be possible he pulled him over because he's a racist and hates mexicans, and just got lucky that he found a real bad guy, but unlucky that he didn't get a better shot off.

Either way, this tragedy doesn't have any bearing on the sandra bland case, or #blacklivesmatter, but you knew this...

7/23/2015 1:56:30 AM

https://twitter.com/Bipartisanism/status/624081450573303808

7/23/2015 1:57:38 AM

https://twitter.com/viaAlana/status/623271833052123136

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"Mathis: Bail bondsman who spoke to #SandraBland says she was afraid for her safety. Only had $100, not enough to post $500 bond."

Crazy that she could have possibly been alive if she only had $400 more.

I don't know how the bail bonds process works, but surely someone she knew could have helped out?

regarding all lives matter:
"If I break my leg, I don't want the doctor telling me all legs should be healed. I want the doctor to fix my leg." - @felonious_munk

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 2:04 AM. Reason : ]

7/23/2015 2:02:22 AM

HUR is the type of guy that shouts out "Oh yeah, well I've felt loss too!" at a funeral.

7/23/2015 2:16:23 AM

Oh no's oh no's

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"Authorities released jail intake forms late Wednesday that appear to show Bland answering "yes" to the following questions: Have you ever been very depressed? Do you feel this way now? Have you had thoughts of killing yourself in the last year? Have you ever attempted suicide? The documents say she attempted suicide last year by taking pills."

RACE WARS EPISODE VIII - THE EVIL WHITE SYSTEM FORGES INTAKE DOCUMENTS

In devastating turn of events documents are released indicating apparent past suicide. EVIL permeates from The White Warriors that run the system that targets poor innocent minorities because of skin color. In order to prevent embarrassment over a ridiculous unnecessary arrest over a turn signal; the forces of white EVIL conspired to murder Sandra and to stage the death as suicide. Nefarious individuals within the department worked as the evil empire that they are to fake documents that could conveniently convince the public to sway suspicion on the brutal slaying of this young woman by the racist police. A police that secretly wage total warfare against the African American community. A war meant to hold the black man down, keep them out of white neighborhoods, from dating their daughters, and from obtaining the American dream (which is reserved for whites and ethnic folks of not quite black skin).

Luckily for our fallen heroine the arm-chair civil rights crusaders on TWW are here to save the day!!!!!

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 2:22 AM. Reason : G]

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 2:24 AM. Reason : J]

7/23/2015 2:21:03 AM

Convenient they had that information, seems like the perfect scenario to make it look like someone killed themselves by suicide

That really doesn't mean anything until they release the autopsy results though. And if they suspect someone is suicidal, it doesn't seem like the right decision to keep them locked up for 3 days in an isolated cell for a failure to traffic signal stop. This can't be normal procedure can it?

7/23/2015 10:50:31 AM

I also don't think too many people deny that she possibly did kill herself. People are questioning all the circumstances that led up to that.

Hey JCE, you need to explain to your boy HUR what a strawman is, and how your arguments look pretty weak when you use them in every single post.

7/23/2015 10:58:21 AM

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"It's the only tool HUR has in his toolbox"

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 11:03 AM. Reason : JCE isn't too far behind tho]

7/23/2015 11:03:12 AM

this is being passed around on facebook now.

7/23/2015 11:40:19 AM

Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams

7/23/2015 11:59:43 AM

^ inorite? that's the first thing I thought of too.

7/23/2015 12:00:36 PM

It's almost good that this has reached that point... this kind of thing, for better of worse, is what actually gets the "common person" to care about these issues. A lot of people just can't grasp what "institutional bias" means or what a "system" is, but they can digest a picture on Facebook whose fundamental message is that "something's not right" even if it's devoid of factual information or rational thinking.

7/23/2015 12:10:05 PM

Look at the wall, now look at the floor. Now look at the mugshot. Now look at me. I'm on a horse.

7/23/2015 12:13:11 PM

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""Any level-headed person who gets pulled over does what a police officer tells you and there won't be any problems," said Houck. "Whether the cop is wrong, you can hash it out in courts after it's over. "Can you smoke? Yeah, you can," Houck continued. "Can he tell you to put it out? No. But why don't you just be smart and put it out?" Cevallos agrees. He advises people that the best option to avoid a potentially terrible situation -- an arrest or worse -- is "eat the bust and we'll deal with it later." "We know the reality of trying to play lawyer with the police," Cevallos said. "Do you want to make a stand for justice or do you want to go home? The way you show a police officer that they're wrong is not at the time of the traffic stop. It's later in court.""

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-traffic-stop-rights/index.html

I don't agree with the cop, the guy sounds like a jackass and I agree that Sandra should have never been told to stop smoking. Regardless her stand for justice over a cigarette was a factor that led to her to be unjustly taken to jail.

Yes there is a line and I'm no advocating blind obedience no matter what. In this case a fucking 25 cent smoke seems a silly thing to take a legal stand regarding when it's just you and the cop.

When i'm at pedestrian cross-walk (in OR pedestrians have right-of-way if there is no crosswalk signal I know NC has signs at certain high pedestrian areas telling cars to yield in places where there is no signal) it is my right to cross. If I see a car barreling down the road, I might hold up and let them pass. Sure by not yielding they are infringing on my right to cross. Sure if they hit me I likely will be able to sue them (if i survive) and they will be in a shit ton of trouble. In this scenario it is not worth the risk and short term pain to take a "stand" for my right to cross the street. The car will always win in the short term (i.e. i'm getting run over) just like the cop will always win on the street (unless you have a mob form V for Vendetta style to kick some police butt).

[Edited on July 23, 2015 at 7:55 PM. Reason : a]

7/23/2015 7:48:38 PM

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"A woman who occupied a jail cell next to Sandra Bland before Bland was found dead says the Chicago-area woman was emotional and wept often during her three days in jail. Alexandria Pyle tells KTRK television (http://abc13.co/1TV2kDv ) in Houston that Bland was "sort of distraught" that a friend hadn't come to bail her out of the Waller County jail in Hempstead, Texas. She says Bland said she "was not equipped" for incarceration and thought she was the victim of an injustice. Pyle also says she heard no signs of a struggle in the cell."

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/07/23/the-latest-bland-voicemail-from-jail-expresses-disbelief

7/24/2015 12:16:49 AM

Quote :

"regarding all lives matter: "If I break my leg, I don't want the doctor telling me all legs should be healed. I want the doctor to fix my leg." - @felonious_munk"

The problem with this is that it is essentially saying that police brutality and unaccountability don't affect anyone other than black people. It may be disproportionately affecting blacks, but it affects whites, too. This example is absurd as a result.

7/24/2015 12:39:07 AM

^ it doesn't imply that it "only" affects black people, that's an absurd interpretation.

#blacklivesmatter is specially about the problem of systemic racism in the judicial system.

#alllivesmatter is a pointless platitude people bring up so they don't have to think about racism, or they can pretend racism doesn't exist, or worse, pretend they experience racism as much or more than minority groups.

7/24/2015 12:52:26 AM

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"I don't agree with the cop, but every single fucking word I'm about to type completely agrees with the cop"

Quote :

"When i'm at pedestrian cross-walk..it is my right to cross. If I see a car barreling down the road, I might hold up and let them pass. Sure by not yielding they are infringing on my right to cross..."

So now you're comparing a cop conducting a traffic stop with a "car barreling down the road"

How fucking dumb are you?

7/24/2015 1:15:17 AM

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"doesn't imply that it "only" affects black people, that's an absurd interpretation. #blacklivesmatter is specially about the problem of systemic racism in the judicial system. "

While I understand your sentiment, if the goal is to get whites and blacks to play nice together as well as solve the on going issue of police abuse of power, then "all lives matter" resonates with folks of all color, liberal and conservative.

Merely isolating the slogan to "black lives matter" while riling up heart-felt liberals like your self and members of the African American community merely alienates the rest of the populace. People who may also feel slighted by the police, Mexican/Asian/white/etc, but just see this message as the "the blacks are mad again" or "they think the police are only picking on them for being black when we are mistreated too".

Are you and synapse on the al sharpton payroll???

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"How fucking dumb are you?"

Not as dumb as you if you can't understand my corollary or think that Sandra did the right thing taking her stand in the name of justice and civil liberties throughout the nation by refusing to put out that cigarette, aggressively berating the cop for the stupid traffic stop, and her civil disobedience refusing to exit the vehicle when requested.

Something tells me you act like a big pussy when the cops pull you synapse and even ending every sentence directed at the cop with a " sir" or "ma'am"

Not once have I denied that the stop was stupid and the cop was out of control. Choose your fucking battles.


[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 1:55 AM. Reason : K]

[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 1:57 AM. Reason : K]

7/24/2015 1:49:54 AM

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"if you can't understand my corollary"

You should quit using words you don't know the meaning of.

It's called a metaphor you fucking ignorant knuckle dragger.

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"Not once have I denied that the stop was stupid and the cop was out of control."

Bullshit. You have 100% blamed the dead woman for her actions during the stop.

Don't even try to act otherwise.



[Edited on July 24, 2015 at 2:15 AM. Reason : Racist shitbag strikes again]

7/24/2015 2:08:26 AM

Quote :

"In this case a fucking 25 cent smoke seems a silly thing to take a legal stand"

You keep bringing up the value of the cigarette, which has no significance in this situation

7/24/2015 9:39:00 AM

I think I hurt synapses feelings. It's OK man, let's just be friends

7/24/2015 10:06:27 AM

This thread brings the lulz.

7/24/2015 12:11:23 PM

Restricted was it required on the police academy application form to not like black people?

7/24/2015 5:44:58 PM

hmmm, how shall I answer that?

7/25/2015 8:07:32 PM

ITT I learned to treat all cops like crazed gunmen.

Just do what they say and maybe, just maybe, you will walk out alive.

7/25/2015 10:29:53 PM

I think this lady killed herself. Imagine how shitty it must have been after going through that whole ordeal, then having to sit in jail for three days because she, her family and friends couldn't come up with $500? That's depressing and would probably be enough to push her over the edge if she was already suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts. According to wiki she also had "25 to 30 parallel cuts on her forearm" (from the autopsy) which I'm guessing means she was cutting herself.

I understand why an investigation needs to be done but it seems pretty cut and dry. As horrible as it sounds I am hoping it was suicide and not murder.

7/26/2015 2:20:40 AM

lol @ sitting in jail for 3 days... how difficult :3

7/26/2015 4:28:16 AM

^^

Shouldn't those who precipitated the events that led her to kill herself be punished somehow? She should have been given a ticket and let go. Everybody has their limit. Detain people illegally, and some (a tiny minority) will of course take their own lives. But the blame lies with those who who take part in the illegal detention.

Even if it was suicide, it was murder by proxy.

7/26/2015 6:27:30 AM

Obviously he was in the wrong and should be held accountable for his actions during the traffic stop. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Except maybe HUR.

7/26/2015 11:36:15 AM

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"ITT I learned to treat all cops like crazed gunmen. Just do what they say and maybe, just maybe, you will walk out alive."

Probably the safest thing to do. People need to understand that any encounter with a cop can turn deadly. They're on pace to kill about 1200-1500 people this year.

7/26/2015 9:43:55 PM

What's Anon got on this?

7/27/2015 12:04:28 PM

Quote :

"Probably the safest thing to do. People need to understand that any encounter with a cop can turn deadly."

Yeah that is my entire point. Yet dipshits like synapse maintain that she needs to take her stand for civil rights and practice
civil disobedience in the field against the cop.

Quote :

". I don't think anyone is disputing that. Except maybe HUR."

I never once sided with the cop. My entire point was that in this circumstance the best course of action would have been to put out the smoke and not attempt to escalate the situation. She could then seek justice in court, with help from a civil rights organization, or protesting. I even recognized where there is a grey line and situations where one has to decide for themselves to draw the line between cooperating at the minimal as required by law (or just to end the encounter) and sticking up to the police (at the extreme I mentioned a cop demanding a BJ or going to jail). Yet the ilks of synapse and the likes cried and balked with all those stupid "obey" meme's

7/27/2015 12:17:57 PM

Quote :

"OK the cop was on a power trip and out of line."

7/27/2015 12:40:44 PM

Why does there always have to be a "but what if" in these cases instead of just blaming a shitty cop?

7/27/2015 1:55:37 PM

http://www.attn.com/stories/2498/sandra-bland-arrest-lawful?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=direct-share&utm_campaign=shares

7/27/2015 6:52:24 PM

Has anyone mentioned that the cop extended the length of the traffic stop... Something that is not legal for him to do?

7/27/2015 7:44:53 PM

you guys read that a lot of people are thinking that was already dead in her mugshot?

7/28/2015 5:57:21 PM

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201507280006-0024918

Black women's lives matter

7/28/2015 10:01:20 PM

7/29/2015 11:13:56 AM