fire claims are false.

belgium has closed airports and borders.

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2015 7:28:47 PM

118 dead at the concert hall

11/13/2015 7:38:06 PM

CNN saying 118 dead in bataclan alone.

11/13/2015 7:38:21 PM

So the shooters fled the restaurant scene, fleeing towards the Louvre/shopping mall complex? Into France's train system. Belgium closes its borders. These guys are on the way out of the country... if not the continent. Will they make it or will authorities arrest them?

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 7:40 PM. Reason : had we instead of authorities.]

11/13/2015 7:38:25 PM

official count up to 180

11/13/2015 7:40:11 PM

^^^Eagles of Death Metal got out but crew members are not all accounted for.

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 7:40 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2015 7:40:31 PM

Belgian borders have not been closed. This is a hoax being spread on Twitter.

11/13/2015 7:41:56 PM

Good thing we're a message board and not the news.

11/13/2015 7:43:05 PM

I wonder what the NSA is doing now, probably vacuuming up as much as they can to look for information.

11/13/2015 7:45:10 PM

so the same thing they do every day amirite?

11/13/2015 7:53:35 PM

ha true, but can anyone blame them this time...?

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 8:00 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2015 7:59:59 PM

Quote :

"taking bets on radical muslims!??"

Thats islamaphobic, you cant say that! Everyone knows there is an epidemic of anti-Islam violence

11/13/2015 8:00:25 PM

^ there is, especially in europe. Whats your point?

11/13/2015 8:01:40 PM

France's president after visiting the scene at the concert venue

"We will lead the fight, we will be ruthless" said François Hollande after seeing the Bataclan massacre. -BFMTV

11/13/2015 8:02:11 PM

JCE2011 needs to put away the internet for a while.

11/13/2015 8:03:50 PM

In the past two weeks, they've managed to down a Russian passenger jet and kill everyone on board, and essentially invade Paris and rack up a large body count.

Why is there still an ISIS?

11/13/2015 8:14:37 PM

This type of thing makes isis grow. Why cant people understand who isis is appealing to.

Things that help isis
-negative attention from the west
-non sunni kills
-being killed by the west

I know its counterintuitive but its true. They want nothing more than a full scale invasion of syria.

11/13/2015 8:21:21 PM

To be fair Muslims in France face real direct discrimination unlike the alleged oppression faced by some groups here ie.

- getting shot after attacking a police officer following a armed robbery.
- being uncomfortable that neighbors throw a BET v CMT part
- a few Rednecks shouting racist mean things

11/13/2015 8:21:47 PM

This type of thing makes isis grow. Why cant people understand who isis is appealing to.

Things that help isis
-negative attention from the west
-non sunni kills
-being killed by the west

I know its counterintuitive but its true. They want nothing more than a full scale invasion of syria.

11/13/2015 8:22:13 PM

I imagine this will lead to increased involvement in Syria, which is what Isis wants probably wants.

I'm more concerned at this point if something similar could happen here. France is very close to Syria (relatively) so it's easy for Isis to get there, and we've seen more mass shootings than France, so perhaps Americans are more willing now to try and rush a group of attackers, but if i lived in a major city, I'd be pretty nervous.

11/13/2015 8:28:57 PM

Thats just silly. Theres a lot more to be nervous about before terrorism. Even if you lived in paris.

11/13/2015 8:40:36 PM

i keep hearing the school is canceled tomorrow in all of france. do they typically have school on saturday?

11/13/2015 10:20:13 PM

This is so horrible

11/13/2015 11:26:09 PM

Quote :

"And I stand by the fact I can make a comment like that. People constantly post that shit whenever there is a shooting tragedy in the US. And of course I feel terrible about this shit. I had a friend stay there for a month this year, so I am very thankful that he and his wife were spared being exposed to this violence, or Charlie Hebdo. But I also feel that Islamic terrorists have found a tried and true target in Paris that is very lightly defended, and no concealed carry or any such silliness to deal with. Although let's be frank about it, many restaurants, stadiums, and concerts are gun free zones here in the US as well, so those targets wouldn't be much harder to hit domestically. Not saying that arm everybody is the solution but pointing out the hypocrisy in some of the comments about stricter gun control can avoid these situations as these automatic weapons and grenades/bombs are completely fucking illegal in France, yet we have seen multiple attacks with these very same weapons in France over the last year. I hope this along with the Russian airplane bombing pushes the EU, US and Russia to finally form a consensus to work together and wipe ISIS off the map."

1) Paris has been heavily militarized for nearly a year, so there is no comparison between anything currently happening there and the US.

and

2) it's impossible to wipe ISIS off of the map. they are an ideology, not a country.

Quote :

" and essentially invade Paris and rack up a large body count. Why is there still an ISIS?"

you do realize how big of a city Paris is, right? from what we know now, less than 10 people carried out these attacks. that is in no way close to an invasion.

[Edited on November 14, 2015 at 1:15 AM. Reason : that and there is a pretty good chance that they are French citizens. not an invasion. ]

11/14/2015 1:06:48 AM

Paris, Baghdad, and Beirut as well:

Quote :

"BEIRUT: Twin bomb blasts claimed by the Daesh group killed 41 people Thursday on a busy shopping street in a Beirut stronghold of the Shiite movement Hezbollah, the worst such attack in years. Speaking from the scene, Health Minister Wael Abou Faour said more than 200 people had been wounded, many of them in serious condition."

11/14/2015 4:48:28 AM

"Religion of peace"

11/14/2015 7:13:21 AM

Remember that France recently passed some pretty extreme surveillance laws, that did nothing to stop this, so this will only result in even more erosion of privacy and civil liberties

[Edited on November 14, 2015 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

11/14/2015 9:54:21 AM

i saw the eagles of death metal at lincoln theatre my senior year at state with one of my friends. probably one of the funnest shows i've been to. such a shame that a bunch of people just went looking for a good time and then had to experience this instead

11/14/2015 10:08:27 AM

i cant deal with newsfeed right now. everyone has changed their profile pic to the french flag and the anti refugee posts are starting to happen.

11/14/2015 12:41:50 PM

Have the French surrendered yet?

11/14/2015 1:14:35 PM

Quote :

"you do realize how big of a city Paris is, right? from what we know now, less than 10 people carried out these attacks. that is in no way close to an invasion. "

Can you be any more insufferable?

In no way did I mean for that to be taken as a literal militarized invasion.

11/14/2015 3:36:40 PM

^^^ I've been switching between CNN and msnbc and both channels have people on blaming snowden or the refugees, one guy on msnbc on saying, without sourcing his info, that Isis has 20,000 trained agents in Europe. This reminds me why I rarely watch t.v. News. It's no wonder people are so uninformed and hypersensitive to FUD.

11/14/2015 4:31:10 PM

Quote :

"blaming snowden"

11/14/2015 4:37:06 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/two-men-linked-paris-attacks-registered-migrants-greece-195255102.html

welp

11/14/2015 5:21:42 PM

Just saw where trump blamed France's gun laws.

11/14/2015 5:33:05 PM

Quote :

"Can you be any more insufferable? In no way did I mean for that to be taken as a literal militarized invasion."

oh word?

did I infer that you meant a literal militarized invasion?

11/14/2015 5:58:28 PM

Yes, by attempting to inform me that there were only 10 participants.

11/14/2015 7:24:04 PM

Lotsa fucked up responses ITT. I'll admit my initial post was messed up, but I hadn't even heard the story yet.

11/14/2015 7:58:02 PM

^^ who is doing the invading?

why are you asking why ISIS still exists?

did I say there were 10 participants?

[Edited on November 14, 2015 at 8:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2015 8:07:34 PM

ISIS is like the live embodiment of Saurons army.

11/14/2015 8:30:40 PM

Moron, if you have access to BBC World News, watch that.

11/14/2015 9:23:18 PM

Quote :

"2) it's impossible to wipe ISIS off of the map. they are an ideology, not a country."

that is completely wrong.

11/14/2015 11:18:33 PM

11/14/2015 11:25:25 PM

We need to wipe these towel heads off the face of the earth?

Can we blame this on George W yet? Or are there so many disillusioned right wing "conservatives" around that still think Iraq was a good thing. I mean else else was Dick Cheney going to get $billions in defense contracts to his buddies!



[Edited on November 15, 2015 at 12:03 AM. Reason : L]

11/15/2015 12:00:11 AM

Quote :

"that is completely wrong"

we are actively bombing them in places we know where to bomb them.

that has nothing to do with sympathizers in other countries.

11/15/2015 2:44:16 AM

From what little i know, i have to tend to agree with Duke here. Isis is an anomaly, they're surrounded by people who hate them, their whole raison d'être (a hard-line religious islamic caliphate) doesn't make any sense. If their leadership is physically destroyed, the rebels/iranians/assad swoop in and fill the void. The people Isis rule over just want stability, they have no real love for Isis. Even though assad is our stated enemy, he is someone who can be worked with. Rebels i'm not sure about (as in i don't know any information on them, not that I know and doubt them).

The whole radicalized-isis-westerners i think is a new thing, created by the echo chamber of the Internet. If Isis falls, there's nothing to keep feeding these chambers and they'll dissipate or splinter I would bet-- similar to what would happen to Republicans if you took Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck's website offline.

11/15/2015 2:59:59 AM

from reddit:

Quote :

"Muslim here. A common question i get is WHY do they attack? If you want to know specifically about ISIS, then you should first know a little history about them, and if you want to know why some Muslims in the West join such extremist groups, then I've compiled several key factors that can push them to extremes and can help explain their perspective: Death Of Muslims: Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of their brothers and sisters by opposing forces in their lands. Instead of such incidents abating with time, every few days a new headline in some newspaper conveys the death of more anonymous Muslim civilians. This can encourage Muslims to sometimes make quick and irrational decisions, often times leading to innocent civilians being killed on the other side. "We can't just sit and watch our brothers and sisters get butchered while we sit comfortably behind our computer screens. We have to do something". Attacks From The West: Some Muslims may see the Western world as their primary enemy because of their attacks, invasions, support of oppressive regimes and their killing of thousands of civilians in Muslim lands in the last century. From the invasion of Iraq to the military endeavors in Afghanistan, from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo, from Aafia Siddiqui to Ali al-Timimi, from the 'War on Terror' to the 'Patriot Act', it can become easier to convince an impressionable mind into accepting the West versus Islam paradigm (as if these two entities can be surgically and neatly delineated, separated and defined). It is not hard for some Muslims to feel strong resentment towards the West and this resentment can push some to go to the extreme in retaliation, consequently justifying taking the lives of civilians on the opposing side. "They killed our people, so we should be able to kill theirs" is the type of argument they use. Here is one example of a confessed terrorist plotter who wanted to get Canadian troops to withdraw. With Us Or Against Us: Among extremist groups, you will see Muslims who have adopted a very simplistic, black/white view of the world. Either you are on their side (side of the Muslims) or on the side of the disbelievers (kuffar). When they come across Muslims who have condemned their group/actions, they will be quick to dismiss their arguments, saying that they are "aiding the kuffar". They see their condemnation as them betraying their Muslim brothers and sisters who are suffering in other countries. Economic Frustration: Extreme frustration with the economic situation of many of those involved in such groups, coupled with a lack of hope in alleviating their dismal situation. Years of poverty, oppression, unemployment and greedy political leaders in the Muslim world can push many of the youth to take the matter into their own hands. For those with no hope, fanaticism and over-zealousness gives them some hope. When there is no alternative, extremism becomes normal. Lack Of Islamic Knowledge: A common feature among extremist fighters is that they are largely composed of young recruits that are relatively new to Islam or have a very superficial understanding of the faith. A quick read through of the Quran and exposure to the first Muslim group you encounter can easily lead you to think that this group is on the right Islamic path. The more Islamic knowledge you have, the more easier it is to recognize unIslamic groups & movements and to avoid making poor uneducated choices. Distrust: You can find Muslims who support these groups online talking about how we shouldn't trust the mainstream media on the topic of Muslim terrorists, because of the previous lies these mainstream sources have told us. There are Muslims who honestly believe that the extremist group they support are in the right; that they are only defending themselves and not killing civilians unjustly. They will disregard any source that counters these claims despite how strong the evidence is against their group. Lack Of Unity: Religious leadership among Muslims is disunited today; every loud voice can potentially become a leader merely by shouting loud enough. Anyone can potentially take on the lead without understanding Islam and the contemporary world or start takfiri preaching further dividing the Muslims into more smaller segments with various levels of authorities to follow. Since there is no official Caliphate, you can find some smaller segments coming up with their own pseudo-Islamic state or their own pseudo-caliph. Lack of unity also makes it harder for Muslims to voice their condemnation against any particular extremist group because they can't have an 'official' opinion on a matter. Misunderstanding Jihad: The concept of jihad is a legitimate concept if applied properly in Islam; and it can be a type of terrorism if misunderstood and misapplied. It is like a loaded weapon: it can be used for good and to defend, and it can also be misused for harming others. Many other faiths don't have such a concept. Because Islam does, it can and will be misapplied. Silence of Muslim preachers on Jihad: Muslim preachers in the West are restricted from speaking about physical jihad or have classes where Muslims can learn the proper history of battles in Islamic history, the conditions for fighting, and war in the modern world. Because Muslim preachers are often quiet about this subject, young Muslims can be easily duped by extremist recruiters into accepting the alternative view and the permissibility of fighting with modern militant groups. Someone can easily show them some narrations (hadith) of the rewards of jihad while being completely unaware of the major contextual differences in our time and can convince them of the greater good in fighting. When the only voices that address issues of concern are the voices of radical militant jihadis they find on the internet, it is only natural that young and impressionable minds will gravitate to these voices, as explained in this article. The Media: Terrorist groups are empowered by the media. The more attention they get, the more powerful their threats become and the more new recruits they can potentially secure. Violent groups, no matter how small in number, will always get more attention than peaceful groups. Hundreds of Muslims scholars can condemn terrorism, tens of thousands of Muslims can protest for peace, but the 1 Muslim who blows himself up or beheads a civilian, will be the person who receives more attention in this modern age, and more attention gives him a better chance for more people to join his cause. The Easy Path: It might be surprising to non-Muslims, but in many ways, it can actually be more simple and easier for a dedicated Muslim to join one of these groups and fight. It can be much tougher for a passionate Muslim to envision living in a secular land with trials, tribulations and possible persecution for the next 30+ years, all while watching their Muslim brothers and sisters die. And the false idea of blowing yourself up and going straight to paradise sounds very easy. Many passionate Muslims are eager to die for the sake of God, but how many are willing to live for the sake of God? Scholars Are Ignored: Muslims who are already supporting extremist groups will completely ignore Muslim Scholars who critique their groups. Calling them " sellouts" or saying that they are "aiding the kuffar" because they're condemning a Muslim group. "You can't criticize those Muslims fighting! At least those Muslims are doing something while you are just living comfortably in your own home". I have personally come across isis sympathizers who completely dismiss Muslim scholars when they are refuted by them. Extremists are emotional and impatient, and they won't bother to take the time to read/listen to the entire message of Muslim scholars who often critique both sides and can explain to extremists about their flawed understanding. Isis captors cared more about politics than religion when it mattered. tl;dr: The Muslim world today is in a entirely different economic and political context than the Western world. The Muslim world lacks unity, suffers from poverty, oppression, unemployment, greedy political leaders, and Muslims have been witnessing the continual slaughter of other Muslims by opposing forces in their lands for decades. These factors, along with others, can push some to join extremist groups. edit: this is not just my opinion that i came up with off the top of my head. I have discussed this topic with various Muslims on this issue for some time now and took into account some scholarly articles and lectures on just this subject. I have also based this list on accounts of what former extremists have said and what some isis sympathizers have claimed to justify their attacks."

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3sq6h7/eli5_paris_attacks_megathread/cwzk41k

11/15/2015 8:20:51 AM

Per CNN one of the bombers posed as a refugee. Exactly what we've been saying would happen with these countries letting all of these refugees in.

11/15/2015 8:44:44 AM

I woke up the next morning and listened to the news. No shit, every talking head in Germany was discussing the refugees and the problems with bringing them to Europe. Problems such as them posing as bombers.

I honestly don't know what to think of it. At first I thought that it was being blatantly racist, but there is a point to it. It is just that most Europeans (including germans) really hate the welcoming stance that European leaders are taking when it comes to refugees.

[Edited on November 15, 2015 at 9:02 AM. Reason : shit, DP]

11/15/2015 9:01:36 AM

Quote :

"posing as bombers"

11/15/2015 10:13:00 AM