10/4/2016 10:14:30 AM

i like that Pop's swear jar was a can of cuban coffee

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"4. In the penultimate episode, Diamondback just ends up with a super-suit with no build up at all. Sure, he had the punchy glove thing earlier, but there was never any hint of something bigger coming. He essentially opens a Diablo III chest and gets a legendary item drop with the glowing orange aura and everything. Maybe this is better explained in the final episode which I haven't seen."

10/4/2016 10:28:09 AM

I know that it might be nitpicking, but if cottonmouth regretted never pursuing his talents as a musician, then why wouldn't he just start playing at his club? Him being tortured by his lack of a musical outlet eventually became a major plot point of the series and one of the main reasons that he resented his cousin. So, why couldn't he at least just start out by playing an opening act at the night club that he fucking owned? Not that I have ever played at a spot so glamorous as his place, but most of the music venues that I have played at had a club owner or manager that would play the opening act if somebody canceled... or if they just happened to feel like it.

I am sure that cottonmouth could have worked something out if he had the talent and the desire to do so.

10/4/2016 12:12:58 PM

It isn't nitpicking so much as it is you missing that entire aspect of his characterization.

We see in flashback that Uncle Pete wanted to encourage Stokes's musicianship, but his mother was having none of it. Mabel forces him to go with Pete to beat (or kill?) Donnie. When the flashback ends, Stokes's hands are shaking.

Mabel quashed any confidence he had in himself as anything but a criminal, because she conflated her family and criminal enterprise ("Family first," she says). She didn't do anything to nurture his creative side. And as a result, he wouldn't dare threaten the family by appearing to be anything less than the criminal leader he'd been raised to be. Come on, now.

10/4/2016 2:07:24 PM

yeah but he STILL IS a musician that wants to play music, he stated this several times. People have heard him play and commented on how good he is. It is not like he buried his talent from his childhood. Also, this dude is fortunate enough to OWN A CLUB, so then why not just play?

10/4/2016 7:18:28 PM

god it's almost like people can have motivations at odds with each other and find themselves choosing one life over another for reasons we might not fully understand

10/5/2016 8:48:32 AM

Honestly, it's like trying to have a conversation with a talking dog. Yes, it can talk. It's still a dog. It can't rise above the level of "good boy."

10/5/2016 8:49:21 AM

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"The point is the she felt that the show was black empowering, the culture, the music, the subject matter. That's not something you see in a lot of television or cinema, especially for something as pop-culture as a Marvel offering. Add on top of that, that the show is still accessible for white people and it's a pretty big accomplishment. "

This.

And I felt like I was watching Remy's career after politics.

Frosh, Banjo, when are you guys going to just go ahead and get together? You two bicker like an old married couple.

[Edited on October 5, 2016 at 11:42 PM. Reason : asda]

10/5/2016 11:40:09 PM

he doesn't feel adequate enough to play, EVEN at his own bar, so he compensates by being a greedy criminal

that's the vibe I'm getting

I really enjoy the show so far. 2 things I am hoping will improve: the writing (which I think conrtibutes to my 2nd wishful thinking) and Mike Colter's acting

[Edited on October 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM. Reason : HA emce's pic of that tweet ]

10/7/2016 3:34:43 PM

For those talking about the night nurse, Claire I believe her name is...I think she'll be the plot device that ends up bringing them all together for the upcoming movie.

10/7/2016 6:17:36 PM

Loved this show. Even got my wife and son engaged. She is anti-comics and action but she watched the first episode with me and then we had to watch every episode together. My 11 year old son was too cool to be with his parents but sat and watched most of the episodes (he is a marvel fan).

I do agree Diamondback "weaponization" came out of nowhere, but I am sure he is not done. Loved how they played Cottonmouth and damn, I was not ready when he time came around.

For me it is right there with DD. DD fight scenes of course were better, Cage was not a fighter, just a man who could rely on brute strength, no need to be disciplined, agile and strategic.


III

10/10/2016 1:05:46 PM

Before we ever meet Diamondback, we learn that he's Cottonmouth's source for Hammer tech, including the Judas bullet. We already know what Hammer is capable of from Iron Man 2. Powered suits are nothing new in the MCU. I have to disagree that Diamondback's armor came "out of nowhere." You don't have to have every little thing spoon-fed to you, do you? "On screen or it didn't happen"?

10/10/2016 1:12:21 PM

Doesn't need to be spoon fed, but there has to be . . . something. Some reference to a special Hammer order. Or some shipment that they plan to heist. Using the Judas bullet as an example, it was teased to Cottonmouth and given an origin (NYC "event") prior to being introduced.

Diamondback finding that suit was the equivalent of a bad guy's deus ex machina for the sole purpose of having a badass boss fight to finally have a superhero-eque fight scene. Everything from finding the suit to the actual fight felt disjointed compared to the rest of the series. It felt like an item on a Marketing Executive's checklist which the series had to have, but they ran out of time and just threw it into the final episode.

10/10/2016 1:58:40 PM

Diamondback's whole purpose was to be at odds with Luke, so in why is everyone surprised that he came up with a suit? To me, it's fairly logical that he'd be working on something like that, I didn't feel like dialogue concerning it was something that was needed.

10/11/2016 8:51:15 AM

I JUST FEEL IT WAS SO UNEARNED HOW ALL OF COTTONMOUTH'S GOONS HAD GUNS

WE NEVER SEE THEM GO SHOPPING FOR THEM OR ANYTHING

NO ONE EVER SAYS "I NEED A GUN" SO IT'S JUST KIND OF OUT OF NOWHERE?>????!?

10/11/2016 9:39:48 AM

Well now you are just being silly.

How about this? These types of "abilities" have been deemed unique in the MCU, notably in the Netflix variants. As part of Luke's story, he gains his abilities via a freak accident not fully understood. To have this kind of power and invulnerability has been a goal of many powerful people who were running experiments in the jail. It takes tremendous effort, research, and . . . oh wait . . . nm. . . jk! Imma just order one of these new super suits out of the Hammer catalog and become a bonified super human with none of that work associated. And even though this is apparently a thing I can do, I am the only one to think of using this gear in such a manner.

At least the Judas Bullets had proper build up and a downside to their power (extremely expensive, limited quantity, etc.).

10/11/2016 1:33:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gpED0Z57RU

10/11/2016 2:30:57 PM

i can't deal with y'all's baby bitch bullshit if you're gonna get hung up on the most basic genre convention this side of a mask (otherwise normal antagonist makes himself a threat with extraordinary technology)

10/11/2016 3:34:46 PM

To go along with Frosh's example, I don't need to see someone talking about getting a gun before they're shown with the gun on screen. However, Diamondback getting the suit is more akin to watching a 5 minute scene where two guys are fist fighting and then in the last thirty second one of them pulls out a gun. It's just shitty writing that doesn't make sense. There is no buildup or indication that a gun is going to be pulled, it just happens because the plot demands it.

10/11/2016 3:35:42 PM

I mean the dude was walking around with just the gloves putting holes in people. You need to watch him build the whole Lego set?

[Edited on October 11, 2016 at 3:38 PM. Reason : Pretty sure the gloves was post-Judas bullet, too!]

10/11/2016 3:38:09 PM

There was a little bit more buildup for the glove than the suit. Hell, even a couple throwaway lines about him looking into something even better than the gloves would have been nice.

In my opinion, how they did it was clunky and forced. It didn't help that Diamondback was poorly written too.

10/11/2016 3:41:44 PM

IT'S POORLY WRITTEN BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T TWO SPECIFIC LINES OF DIALOGUE FOR MY DUMB HANGUP

10/11/2016 3:43:22 PM

No, he was poorly written in other ways, this simply added to it.

10/11/2016 3:48:49 PM

did Guru's estate and Premier get any royalties for the episode titles?

10/12/2016 3:59:42 PM

the Lemonade line

10/13/2016 12:54:40 AM

Finally got around to finishing it. Not as good as DD season 1 but I liked it better than season 2 (except the Punisher parts) and JJ.

One question though -- when Shades was brought in for kidnapping/holding hostages etc, Diamondback posted his bail right? So he still has to go to trial, with multiple witnesses testifying against him. I guess Mariah has enough political connections that she could get him off without prison time or something? Otherwise he'd be a fugitive for skipping bail and Misty would know exactly where to find him?

10/21/2016 5:20:35 PM

Finished the season last night. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a little put off by Diamondback suddenly pulling out a powersuit. The character was by far the weakest part of the whole show.

The women basically carried the show. Misty, Mariah, Mama Mabel and Claire were all great. I even liked that new police boss that came in halfway through. Cottonmouth was good, but he only lasted half the season. All of Luke's character moments just fell flat.

11/1/2016 11:01:49 AM

Just finished today (also finally got around to DD2, catching up on everything before starting Iron Fist). I loved this show. Luke is like the lovechild of Shaft and the Juggernaut.

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" The plot around Mabel 2.0's speech at the anti-Luke rally was not really well written. -"We need to get these super powered freaks off the streets!" -"Our police are out of control. They are attacking our people in the streets, just because they are black, and they are roughing up our youth. They do not know what they are doing, and we cannot trust them! -"We need to give the police bigger, better weapons!" <...dafuq she just say?>"

Yeah, I was confused how she went from police can't be trusted to let's arm the police. Also thought Cottonmouth should have stuck around longer, Mahershala Ali is the best actor in this cast and it was a shame to lose him that early just to raise the stakes on a worse villain.

I would rank the series I've seen so far as JJ>DD1>LC>DD2. I know very few people put JJ first but no Marvel movie or series has had such great hero/villain chemistry. David Tennant was beyond fantastic.

3/22/2017 4:08:32 AM

I think you just missed the context.

Diamondback framed Cage. The police put pressure on the street to find Cage. They arrested Patricia's son Lonnie and questioned him. When he refused to cooperate, Dorsey roughed him up.

The protest was about police violence, not an "anti-Luke" rally. Mariah's speech was meant to redirect that anger. "We cannot lose focus here," she said. She cast the police's violence as an extraordinary response to a new kind of threat. She said she didn't trust the cops but that Luke was the real menace and that the police needed a means to protect the people from that kind of threat:

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"He is the real threat! We need to arm our men and women in blue so that they can protect us--truly protect us, and never confuse us with those who are the real threat."

I swear to God, sometimes I feel like the only person who fucking pays attention when he watches TV.

3/22/2017 8:09:00 AM

Frosh Nailed it.... no need to rehash... It did take me a 2nd watch to catch that nuance... and after catching it I felt pretty dumb.


III

3/23/2017 11:55:48 AM

^^, ^But we can agree there was better wording she could have used to make it more clear

3/23/2017 7:17:21 PM

Season 2 coming June 22

5/24/2018 8:22:45 PM

Cancelled

10/20/2018 10:14:04 PM

I wonder if this has less to do with viewership and more to do with Disney turning up their own streaming service. Iron Fist, then Luke Cage?

10/23/2018 8:08:55 AM

Correct.

Disney will slowly take everything Marvel from Netflix. I knew this was coming, just not this quickly and abruptly. Fist might have severely low ratings but I thought Luke was doing well with viewership. I am sure they will make excuses about ratings but in the end, these are expensive series to make and Disney's fee is probably insane.

10/23/2018 1:45:11 PM

everything i read said that luke cage was a no-brainer renewal. i know netflix doesn't share ratings, but this does not seem to be a viewership issue

if it isn't the disney streaming service, i could see netflix/marvel consolidating this into a heroes for hire show w/ iron fist. plenty of set up from both series to support that

10/23/2018 2:58:09 PM

Heroes for Hire has definitely crossed my mind. Would be cool to see, but I'm not holding out hope.

If this is a strategic Disney vs Netflix thing we'll likely see some dust-ups with JJ, DD, or Punisher soon.

10/23/2018 3:32:09 PM

I hope we get one more season of Punisher before they yank it.

10/23/2018 7:17:57 PM

Punisher and JJ are already in production for new seasons, so likely we'll get at least 1 more from each. I don't see Netflix pulling the plug on something it's already invested in that way.

10/24/2018 8:07:29 AM