As I understand there are some biologists that disagree with the IUCN on giraffe numbers, but I'm not gonna wade into that controversy

8/19/2016 11:57:18 AM

is how many are alive in the wild really relevant if this one was on a farm?

8/19/2016 12:06:33 PM

completely shocked that rjrumfel is advocating for ignorance

8/19/2016 12:07:12 PM

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"is how many are alive in the wild really relevant if this one was on a farm?"

yes? If a species is endangered, they're often raised in captivity in hopes of breeding them and reintroducing them into the wild. Although I guess that's not what they're doing here.

8/19/2016 12:13:25 PM

I'd argue that numbers matter, even if it's farm raised. Hanging an endangered animal on your wall creates demand from other hunters/collectors (sad, but true), which encourages poaching/stealing of animals to help with the supply to meet that demand.

8/19/2016 12:36:54 PM

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"Trophy hunters are psychotics. These people should be in a mental hospital."

8/19/2016 12:48:19 PM

How am I advocating for ignorance?

I'm saying if you're offended, go out and do something about it. Don't just sit there and make a comment on social media.

But please enlighten me how I'm advocating for ignorance.

8/19/2016 2:32:46 PM

^well I think you are a douche if you take to social media to shame a 12 yr old, we all know about internet crazies and you don't need to unleash that on a child

but I also think 90 % of humanity is pretty shitty in general so ....

8/19/2016 2:50:28 PM

I guess that isn't directed at me, since I'm the one advocating not going to social media for anything.

8/19/2016 3:14:19 PM

I mean, I wouldn't worry about it

8/19/2016 3:18:01 PM

Man, there are some truly ignorant people in here. This reminds me of the people who scream about gun control and don't know what the difference is between semi and fully automatic.

Many, many animals in Africa are only seeing population recovery because of hunting and the monetary value that legal hunting gives those animals.

I personally have no desire to every do any trophy hunting, but hunters do more for game animals, especially the ones that are endangered, than almost any other group.

8/19/2016 3:33:13 PM

k. so she killed the giraffe because she loves them so much.

8/19/2016 3:56:55 PM

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"I think you are a douche if you take to social media to shame a 12 yr old"

fuck that dumb ass bitch, don't put your dead animal shoots on facebook and not expect backlash. it's like posting a dick pic anywhere (see: jackleg), people WILL comment. also, don't have a facebook account and be 12 years old. that's fucking dumb.

[Edited on August 19, 2016 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

8/19/2016 4:15:23 PM

good night...sweet prince

8/19/2016 4:23:21 PM

brontosaurus' are one of my favorite dinosaurs

8/19/2016 4:29:05 PM

I like turtles

8/19/2016 4:32:30 PM

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"But please enlighten me how I'm advocating for ignorance."

you're pining for a time pre-social media in which we wouldn't have known about things like this

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"Man, there are some truly ignorant people in here. This reminds me of the people who scream about gun control and don't know what the difference is between semi and fully automatic. Many, many animals in Africa are only seeing population recovery because of hunting and the monetary value that legal hunting gives those animals. I personally have no desire to every do any trophy hunting, but hunters do more for game animals, especially the ones that are endangered, than almost any other group."

I highly recommend watching the reporting that Real Sports has done over the years on trophy hunting and the sham that they do more for the conservation of animals in Africa than any other group.

8/19/2016 4:57:29 PM

^in addition to that

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"This reminds me of the people who scream about gun control and don't know what the difference is between semi and fully automatic."

Why do you have to know the difference between a semi and fully automatic gun to be for more gun control? That's stupid.

8/19/2016 5:04:17 PM

Oh you missed the memo? If you can't break down and reassemble an AR-15 in less than 45 seconds you're not allowed to have any opinion on gun control.

[Edited on August 19, 2016 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ^ ok, but if you're yelling BAN MACHINE GUNS then u dumb]

8/19/2016 5:06:46 PM

Uninformed opinions shouldn't be afforded any weight. I don't know how guns work or what is actually used in the commission of gun crimes, but I know that the AR-15 is bad deserves to be dismissed. People who think abortion is performed by sticking a shop vac up a woman's cooch should be dismissed when debating abortion.

Emotional responses aren't often valuable to debate.

I should probably clarify a bit, "canned hunting" camps aren't a great ecological resource and do nothing for wild populations, but we'll regulated hunting has done a great deal to help species recovery on large swaths of Africa. Watch the Louis Theroux documentary if you can find it.

[Edited on August 19, 2016 at 5:15 PM. Reason : Dhdjd]

8/19/2016 5:14:52 PM

I understand that uniformed emotional opinions shouldn't be afforded any weight, but I think you can have the opinion that more needs to be done to control gun violence without knowing the difference between a semi and fully automatic gun (sorry, tangent)

8/19/2016 5:18:06 PM

Certainly, but if one is asked to elaborate upon that opinion or unpack why you feel that current gun control is insufficient I suspect that opinion would be difficult to justify without some understanding of both terminology and functionality of the thing being discussed. I suspect most people who advocate more gun control really want less gun crime. These are not the same thing.

I'm not trying to make an appeal to authority, more an appeal to basic knowledge of the subject matter. No, you needn't be a chef to be able to tell a bad steak from a good one, but you had better know how to cook one if you then presume to tell that chef what he did wrong and what to do from then on, and if you call it cow meat and don't know the different cuts of beef he would be correct to ignore you.

8/19/2016 5:32:51 PM

what happened to people getting their thrills from hunting deer are those big pieces of shit that they have in alaska?

8/19/2016 5:58:30 PM

Yea, fuck the Inuit

8/19/2016 6:30:24 PM

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"I bet she didn't eat one bite of any one of those animals."

No, but she gave the meat to an orphanage and it will feed them for a month.

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"Why is everyone getting their panties wrinkled over a photo posted to FB, when this shit has been going on for a very long time. Why the backlash now? "

Because back then millions of people didn't see the photo on social media and there weren't as many 24 hour news networks. Some nations eat horse meat, but that is another animal that almost takes on a human persona in the USA. It is off limits in America to slaughter horses because we see them as pets and athletes. Anything that can be raced, seen at a zoo, or seen at a circus shouldn't be hunted according to most Americans.

8/19/2016 6:34:49 PM

we eat cows, but anyone who travels to go shoot a pinned up cow then takes a photo with it is a psychopath

8/19/2016 7:09:56 PM

^What if it was an angus? Like I said, some nations eat horse meat and a guy I used to work with who served in the Army said Koreans eat dog meat. That type of stuff is just normal in a lot of places, so it is no big deal. Now here in America it is a little different. It causes outrage anytime someone shoots something that can be raced, seen at a circus, or seen at a zoo.

8/19/2016 7:16:03 PM

Are we sure this guy isn't *actually* an eighth grader?

8/19/2016 7:26:56 PM

Funny how people are buying the story the meat was donated. Almost guarantee the reserve sold the meat or just dumped it.

8/19/2016 7:40:53 PM

Well with that solid evidence I am sold, they obviously didn't donate the meat after all

8/19/2016 8:07:39 PM

Well the dad claims that giraffe is gonna feed 800 orphans. It might, but it won't feed them very much.

8/19/2016 8:30:37 PM

Reeks of PR BS to me, especially coming from the dad.

8/19/2016 10:04:54 PM

in my view, if you eat animals, then you clearly don't place much value on animal life. so don't get high and mighty about hunting.

there's absolutely no need to eat animals. if you do it, it's not out of necessity - it's because you view your own pleasure as more important than the animal's life (which is exactly what you're condemning this girl for doing.)

I don't use the word "hypocrite" very often, but it's hypocritical to condemn hunting unless you're a vegetarian.

8/20/2016 1:39:34 AM

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"there's absolutely no need to eat animals"

8/20/2016 3:16:20 AM

^^

There is a big difference in hunting for food and hunting for fun.

And more importantly, huge difference between hunting deer, rabbits, and pheasants, or rhinos, lions, and elephants.

8/20/2016 6:28:56 AM

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10U1MV

This is an interesting one. Under Armor drops lady's sponsorship after she films her husband spearing a bear up in Canada.

I can't decide if people are offended because they actually think a spear is that much less humane or if people get pissed because someone filmed it (things don't actually happen unless they're filmed these days) and was proud of their accomplishment?

8/20/2016 9:16:51 AM

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"I understand that uniformed emotional opinions shouldn't be afforded any weight, but I think you can have the opinion that more needs to be done to control gun violence without knowing the difference between a semi and fully automatic gun (sorry, tangent)"

What he's saying is that you can certainly say "I'd like for us to take action to reduce gun violence", but if you know dick about guns themselves, the details and mechanics of regulating them, causes of violence, effects of policy measures, consequences of any of these things, etc...you have no business offering your opinion on policy.

It's no different from the groups that say Jesus says to be pro-life (but don't know shit about biology), humans don't cause global warming, there's no such thing as evolution, abolish the Federal Reserve system, don't vaccinate your kids, etc.


^^ I don't disagree that there are different considerations for different animals (for multiple reasons), but broadly, he's saying that there's no difference between having animals killed for you in a slaughterhouse and going out and killing them yourself.

[Edited on August 20, 2016 at 10:24 AM. Reason : ]

8/20/2016 10:22:14 AM

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"Are we sure this guy isn't *actually* an eighth grader?"

I'm not, I just don't get overly upset when someone shoots big game as long as it is done legally. Like I said, I think it is the zoo/circus effect that makes this a big deal. No one seems to care when someone shoots a common in America animal.

8/20/2016 12:17:55 PM

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" humans don't cause global warming, there's no such thing as evolution, abolish the Federal Reserve system, don't vaccinate your kids, etc"

Good job equating pro-gun control people to a bunch of fucking idiots.

8/20/2016 12:46:13 PM

99% of gun control people are fucking idiots about guns and associated issues.

8/20/2016 3:11:50 PM

the under armor/bear spear kill thing is hilarious. the folks who get tore up about the spear kill are the same ones who tell you there's no sport in hunting with a modern rifle, scope, etc. i wonder where they stand on bow hunting.

8/20/2016 9:01:37 PM

I think folks should just personally check that their dicks work and then maybe relax a bit.

8/20/2016 10:13:02 PM

^^^ Bullshit. That's your bias.

^^ Yeah I don't get that either. I guess they're against the idea in general.

[Edited on August 20, 2016 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2016 10:14:54 PM

they probably wouldn't like how slowly an animal dies after an arrow goes through it. maybe they think black powder is the best balance of difficulty and humaneness.

8/20/2016 10:20:49 PM

99% might be a bit high. 95% is probably closer. Of course, you could say that about pretty much any issue or topic.

8/20/2016 10:22:29 PM

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"Of course, you could say that about pretty much any issue or topic"

Sure you could, if you were on the other side of the issue, and were incapable of ignoring the resulting bias.

[Edited on August 20, 2016 at 10:30 PM. Reason : Outside of the outlier idiot-opposed issues like vaccines and global warming ]

8/20/2016 10:29:13 PM

I think you way, way overestimate the intelligence of the American people. The college message board you post on and the college grads you know at work are not representative of the general public. Even those in the top quintile of intelligence aren't really that informed on many topics due to lack of interest, lack of time, etc. Think about the smart people you know, how many could really give you a well thought out and logical defense of their position on a given issue you throw out there. Ask somebody if they're pro life or pro choice and why. You won't get a lot of thoughtful explanations for why they answered the way they did regardless of which side they support. You'll get even fewer who will admit that they are on the fence because they don't feel qualified to have a hard and fast opinion.

8/20/2016 10:51:13 PM

Sure, I get that. I get the idea that we and the people we associate with are probably more informed than many, but I also think it's incredibly disingenuous to paint the entirety of "the other side" as fucking idiots.

To say nothing of the fact that plenty of the people on the "right side" of the issue are fucking idiots too (which is obviously the case when it comes to the anti-gun control crowd).

[Edited on August 20, 2016 at 11:03 PM. Reason : Conclusion: There's plenty of dumb on both sides of most issues, but let's not get crazy here.]

8/20/2016 10:56:37 PM

I would venture that both sides are pretty fucking dumb on gun control. However, I suspect that more of the pro gun control people are less likely to be informed. There are a lot of people who are pro gun control because guns are scary. It's similar for things like drug legalization foes who don't think past drugs are bad, mmkay.

People are wildly uninformed, but it's not an equal distribution. The people who are against more gun control are much more likely to own a gun, have shot a gun, understand what is actually required to purchase one in their state, etc.

[Edited on August 20, 2016 at 11:07 PM. Reason : Looks like we agree for the most part. ]

8/20/2016 11:05:37 PM

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"There are a lot of people who are pro gun control because guns are scary"

I'm in 100% agreement there, and there are a lot of people who are anti-gun control because GUNS ARE FUCKING AWESOME WATCH ME BLOW UP THIS 1 POUND EXPLODING TARGET or on the political side, OBAMA IS COMING FOR OUR GUNS!!! Like I said, dumb on both sides. Just because the latter examples probably know what a bolt action rifle is doesn't make their opinions any more valid when the topic de jour is universal background checks.

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"Looks like we agree for the most part."

On the dumb on both sides part, for sure

8/20/2016 11:19:33 PM