Not that it matters, but my previous post is obviously general musings about this notion of being "respectful" to women (in particular). It's not a direct response to this Trump foolishness.

10/11/2016 1:36:31 AM

I'm not really a fan of calling it "rape" when a man grabs a woman's clothed crotch (not that I condone this action, of course)

because then what do you call it when some dude tackles a woman who's walking late at night, holds a knife to her throat, fucks her and leaves her with torn clothes? because this is clearly 100x worse.

of course, there's the difficulty of where to draw the line - but we ought to be more judicious about what we call "rape" these days, in my book. to call Trump's actions "rape" diminishes the magnitude and horror of actual rape.

(this isn't relevant to anything anyone's said ITT - it's just that a lot of people are calling Trump a rapist on my Facebook feed, and I don't want to argue with them because it would be draining and they'd win anyway.)

10/11/2016 1:46:40 AM

There's at least 1 unadjudicated rape allegation against trump and his first wife said he raped her, an allegation she retracted after he threatened to sue her to oblivion.

Probably not objective to call him a rapist, but he's probably a rapist.

10/11/2016 1:52:52 AM

I certainly don't doubt it. if those are the grounds people are using, I'm just about okay with it.

still, I'm a bit worried about the enlargement of the term "rape." I'm sure there are tons of women who'd say it's "rape" if you drunkenly smack a woman's ass. (not that I've done this.)

I'm also a bit worried, come to think of it, that these are the only issues of political principle I tend to be motivated about - applying the term "rape" in a fair way, opposing lifetime solitary confinement in all cases on the grounds that it's unduly cruel, basically arguing that scummy people have rights. things like this. but, shrug.

10/11/2016 2:20:22 AM

you know who else is a rapist? ISIS

10/11/2016 2:25:42 AM

I love a good semantic argument about what rape is

10/11/2016 7:09:49 AM

JeffreyBSG: Go back to your Men's Rights subreddit with that shit.

10/11/2016 8:45:55 AM

It's ok, because Trump is hot as fuck

10/11/2016 9:48:30 AM

10/11/2016 10:31:29 AM

10/13/2016 11:54:18 AM

GRAB THEM BY THE WHEREVER

10/13/2016 11:58:55 PM

get reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaal

10/14/2016 6:12:09 PM

it's not OK

https://youtu.be/1ncxd0kC130

10/22/2016 12:22:47 AM

http://www.timesofisrael.com/women-descend-on-dc-to-push-back-against-new-president/

Quote :

"Organizers estimate 3 million at 600 'sister marches' worldwide Hundreds of thousands mass in DC at anti-Trump women’s march"

4 hour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC9hTrX9oNk

When did Scarlet Johansson get such a short haircut? Looks very good! Go to 1:28:00.

Any TWWers attended?

Oh, posting this here because:

Quote :

"Wearing pink, pointy-eared “pussyhats” to mock the new president, hundreds of thousands of women — massed in the nation’s capital and cities around the globe Saturday to send Donald Trump an emphatic message that they won’t let his agenda go unchallenged over the next four years."

Watch a bit of the video to see the hats.

1/21/2017 6:28:54 PM

I was there

1/21/2017 6:53:01 PM

Did you wear a p****hat?

1/21/2017 7:12:21 PM

seen on my snapface:

Quote :

"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman. I am not a "victim" because you say I am. I AM a woman. I can make my own choices. I can speak and be heard. I can VOTE. I can work if I want. I control my body. I can defend myself. I can defend my family. There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF. I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself. I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice. Quit blaming. Take responsibility. If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men. If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways. If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not that the opportunity or means to have their voices heard. Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered. China and India, infantcide of baby girls. Afghanistan, unequal education rights. Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone. Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation. Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime. Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages. Or the 7 year old girls being sold or married off to 60 year old men, Or the millions of women sold and bought into sex trafficking. And that's just a few examples. So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and march in their clean clothes, after eating a hearty breakfast, and it's like a vacation away that they have paid for to get there... This WOMAN does not support it."

1/21/2017 7:47:08 PM

Smdh

1/21/2017 7:50:50 PM

ashley parlett's opinion on twitter

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2016/3/24/women-in-nascar-technical-positions-andrea-mueller-ashley-parlett.html

Quote :

"IMO The best way for woman to empower themselves and gain respect among men is to stop talking about it and work harder than the men do. I'm sure that's not a popular opinion but it's mine. I wish we gave more attention to the doers rather than the talkers. "No one will ever care how this makes you feel. Shut up and work harder." -my Dad to me nearly early day of my youth, teens and twenties"

someone says cant we do both

Quote :

"@Just_AP Can't we do both? Work our asses off AND use our voices to ensure equality. Not one or the other."

Quote :

"IMO no. Highlighting a divide through marches/rants only brings more division. Laws may change but attitudes don't.Progression is earned. it's important but not for me. My contribution to the future generations of women is gaining respect among the men I work with so in return they teach their sons that there is no difference between men and women mechanics "

[Edited on January 22, 2017 at 5:54 AM. Reason : f]

1/22/2017 5:50:21 AM

Protestors can be annoying for a number of reasons, and it's easy to let them get you all reactionary. I'm the worst for that.

But this Ashley Parlett doesn't seem to realize that she's doling out the same advice given to women sixty years ago. And as practical and well-meaning it may have been, it was still bullshit back then, too.

And it's weird cause she's not taking her own advice. She's still talking--and talking, for that matter, in the most obnoxious way you can: "I'm sure that's not a popular opinion but it's mine."

1/22/2017 11:28:34 AM

[Edited on January 22, 2017 at 2:08 PM. Reason : thanks synapse ]

1/22/2017 2:06:57 PM

^The best part is the gleeful look on your face.

1/22/2017 2:30:54 PM

1/22/2017 4:49:37 PM

Lmao "I am a woman"

You know you aren't protesting anything when your signs are that stupid

1/22/2017 5:03:33 PM

The guy in the purple sweater looks thrilled to be there.

1/23/2017 12:08:11 PM

^^ I feel like there's something written in hot pink on that sign...but I can't make it out.

1/23/2017 12:26:04 PM

not a protest, it was a rally

1/23/2017 12:39:39 PM

Protest, rally, march, doesn't really make a difference.

To be accurate I would say technically it was a "NeoMarxist gathering for low-IQ, politically-illiterate, overly-emotional morons to virtue-signal and protest a fair election."

But I'm sure they frame it in a vague, feel-good, all inclusive term like "March for women" so the useful idiots hop on board.

1/23/2017 2:38:49 PM

gasp....... now that you put it that way, my mind is changed suddenly

1/23/2017 3:01:48 PM

1/23/2017 3:01:49 PM

Well I'm only speculating, one of the trademarks of leftist "activism" is they can never actually define WHAT is being protested against, rallied for, etc. (That's the problem with fighting against oppression that doesn't exist).

I mean sure, there is some vague bullshit like "Equality" and "Women's rights" but if you actually apply more than 1 minute of thought to either subject you realize its just a misrepresented, oversimplified, biased representation of a complex issue viewed threw the lens of Marxism.

Sign says "Reproductive rights are human rights"... it sounds good if you don't actually think past the emotional appeal of the feel-good phrase. If you actually use your brain though, you understand your side is demanding the government steal from others to fund your slutty lifestyle choices. This logic applies to essentially every sign you will see at the march. Unfortunately this realization is only possible with a full 1 minute of critical thinking, which rules out nearly everyone who participated in the march.

[Edited on January 23, 2017 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2017 3:23:00 PM

yeah pretty much everyone is against discrimination and pro equal rights unless its against white males

[Edited on January 23, 2017 at 4:15 PM. Reason : screw those jerks ]

1/23/2017 4:11:29 PM

the march had a 6 page document explaining their reasons

it's easier to read it on the pdf https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/58796773414fb52b57e20794/1484351351914/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pdf, but if not here it is:

Quote :

" OVERVIEW & PURPOSE The Women's March on Washington is a women-led movement bringing together people of all genders, ages, races, cultures, political affiliations and backgrounds in our nation’s capital on January 21, 2017, to affirm our shared humanity and pronounce our bold message of resistance and self-determination. Recognizing that women have intersecting identities and are therefore impacted by a multitude of social justice and human rights issues, we have outlined a representative vision for a government that is based on the principles of liberty and justice for all. As Dr. King said, “We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back.” Our liberation is bound in each other’s. The Women’s March on Washington includes leaders of organizations and communities that have been building the foundation for social progress for generations. We welcome vibrant collaboration and honor the legacy of the movements before us - the suffragists and abolitionists, the Civil Rights Movement, the feminist movement, the American Indian Movement, Occupy Wall Street, Marriage Equality, Black Lives Matter, and more – by employing a decentralized, leader-full structure and focusing on an ambitious, fundamental and comprehensive agenda. Guiding Vision and Definition of Principles VALUES & PRINCIPLES ? We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem. ? We believe Gender Justice is Racial Justice is Economic Justice. We must create a society in which all women—including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, Muslim women, lesbian, queer and trans women—are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments. ? Women deserve to live full and healthy lives, free of violence against our bodies. One in three women have been victims of some form of physical violence by an intimate partner within their lifetime; and one in five women have been raped. Further, each year, thousands of women and girls, particularly Black, indigenous and transgender women and girls, are kidnapped, trafficked, or murdered. We honor the lives of those women who were taken before their time and we affirm that we work for a day when all forms of violence against women are eliminated. ? We believe in accountability and justice for police brutality and ending racial profiling and targeting of communities of color. Women of color are killed in police custody at greater rates than white women, and are more likely to be sexually assaulted by police. We also call for an immediate end to arming police with the military grade weapons and military tactics that are wreaking havoc on communities of color. No woman or mother should have to fear that her loved ones will be harmed at the hands of those sworn to protect. ? We believe it is our moral imperative to dismantle the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system. The rate of imprisonment has grown faster for women than men, increasing by 700% since 1980, and the majority of women in prison have a child under the age of 18. Incarcerated women also face a high rate of violence and sexual assault. We are committed to ensuring access to gender-responsive programming and dedicated healthcare including substance abuse treatment, mental and maternal health services for women in prison. We believe in the promise of restorative justice and alternatives to incarceration. We are also committed to disrupting the school-to-prison pipeline that prioritizes incarceration over education by systematically funneling our children—particularly children of color, queer and trans youth, foster care children, and girls—into the justice system. ? We believe in Reproductive Freedom. We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education. We understand that we can only have reproductive justice when reproductive health care is accessible to all people regardless of income, location or education. ? We believe in Gender Justice. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes. We must free ourselves and our society from the institution of awarding power, agency and resources disproportionately to masculinity to the exclusion of others. ? We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming brothers, sisters and siblings. This includes access to non-judgmental, comprehensive healthcare with no exceptions or limitations; access to name and gender changes on identity documents; full antidiscrimination protections; access to education, employment, housing and benefits; and an end to police and state violence. ? We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. We believe that creating workforce opportunities that reduce discrimination against women and mothers allow economies to thrive. Nations and industries that support and invest in caregiving and basic workplace protections—including benefits like paid family leave, access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, fair pay, vacation time, and healthy work environments—have shown growth and increased capacity. ? We believe in equal pay for equal work and the right of all women to be paid equitably. We must end the pay and hiring discrimination that women, particularly mothers, women of color, lesbian, queer and trans women still face each day in our nation. Many mothers have always worked and in our modern labor force; and women are now 50% of all family breadwinners. We stand for the 82% of women who become moms, particularly moms of color, being paid, judged, and treated fairly. Equal pay for equal work will lift families out of poverty and boost our nation’s economy. ? We recognize that women of color carry the heaviest burden in the global and domestic economic landscape, particularly in the care economy. We further affirm that all care work--caring for the elderly, caring for the chronically ill, caring for children and supporting independence for people with disabilities--is work, and that the burden of care falls disproportionately on the shoulders of women, particularly women of color. We stand for the rights, dignity, and fair treatment of all unpaid and paid caregivers. We must repair and replace the systemic disparities that permeate caregiving at every level of society. ? We believe that all workers – including domestic and farm workers - must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage, and that unions and other labor associations are critical to a healthy and thriving economy for all. Undocumented and migrant workers must be included in our labor protections, and we stand in solidarity with sex workers’ rights movements We believe Civil Rights are our birthright. Our Constitutional government establishes a framework to provide and expand rights and freedoms–not restrict them. To this end, we must protect and restore all the Constitutionally-mandated rights to all our citizens, including voting rights, freedom to worship without fear of intimidation or harassment, freedom of speech, and protections for all citizens regardless of race, gender, age or disability. ? We believe it is time for an all-inclusive Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Most Americans believe the Constitution guarantees equal rights, but it does not. The 14 th Amendment has been undermined by courts and cannot produce real equity on the basis of race and/or sex. And in a true democracy, each citizen’s vote should count equally. All Americans deserve equality guarantees in the Constitution that cannot be taken away or disregarded, recognizing the reality that inequalities intersect, interconnect and overlap. ? Rooted in the promise of America’s call for huddled masses yearning to breathe free, we believe in immigrant and refugee rights regardless of status or country of origin. It is our moral duty to keep families together and empower all aspiring Americans to fully participate in, and contribute to, our economy and society. We reject mass deportation, family detention, violations of due process and violence against queer and trans migrants. Immigration reform must establish a roadmap to citizenship, and provide equal opportunities and workplace protections for all. We recognize that the call to action to love our neighbor is not limited to the United States, because there is a global migration crisis. We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal. ? We believe that every person and every community in our nation has the right to clean water, clean air, and access to and enjoyment of public lands. We believe that our environment and our climate must be protected, and that our land and natural resources cannot be exploited for corporate gain or greed—especially at the risk of public safety and health. "

1/23/2017 4:37:11 PM

Like I said, its collectivist, Marxist, victimhood bullshit.

Quote :

"VALUES & PRINCIPLES ? We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights "

Literally the first "principle" you listed is the example I already gave. It's a vague, feel-good phrase that only works if your marchers are idiots.

1/23/2017 4:44:56 PM

I'm sorry you feel that way

1/23/2017 4:47:42 PM

It's not a "feeling".

It's objectively true.

Every single "issue" listed is suggesting that a disparity of outcome is a result of "oppression" rather than personal choice.

It is 100% Collectivist Marxist SJW bullshit. Its societal cancer

[Edited on January 23, 2017 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2017 4:53:26 PM

^what are your thoughts on abortion?

1/23/2017 5:07:46 PM

I asked a marcher what they thought about abortion.

They said "It's my body its my right"

Yet oddly enough somehow it isn't their bill to pay.

1/23/2017 5:18:38 PM

100% does not answer the question.

1/23/2017 5:26:47 PM

1/23/2017 5:34:13 PM

"When you are so privileged equality seems like oppression"

1/23/2017 6:12:46 PM

The minute Trump took office, he scrubbed every mention of Climate Change from whitehouse.gov. That's a huge problem.

Militarized police.

planned parenthood (my vaginal/ovarian health depends on it)

respect for people no matter where they came from or who they are (I'm sorry this is so vague, but Trump and his supporters have demonstrated their lack of respect for nearly everyone but white men, and I would like him to know that is not ok. Also, I know he is going on "America First" which I support, but not while giving the rest of the world the middle finger)

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:22 AM. Reason : reasons I support the rally/march]

1/24/2017 8:58:42 AM

There was a nut job wandering around Costco with a sombrero that had a trump sticker on the front. I avoided any eye contact.

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 9:10 AM. Reason : Add another note]

1/24/2017 9:09:41 AM

Quote :

"The minute Trump took office, he scrubbed every mention of Climate Change from whitehouse.gov. That's a huge problem."

In your opinion.

Quote :

"Militarized police."

You people, aka gullible liberals, are the reason we have to have militarized police! People with common sense realize a black cop shooting an armed black man resisting arrest in Charlotte isn't racist, gullible liberals, however, believe the race-baiting, divisive language from the left and take to the streets! The women's march wasn't violent, but it's the same dangerous concept: a group of angry, emotional people that have been deceived into thinking they are victims, deceived into thinking the complex political "causes" they are pushing for are as simple as "good (us) vs evil (them)".

Quote :

"planned parenthood (my vaginal/ovarian health depends on it)"

This is a perfect example. You frame a huge, complex debate topic like Planned Parenthood in a dishonest, over-simplified way so you can convince yourself you have the moral high ground. You don't. I can't tell if it is intellectual dishonesty or ignorance, but this applies to the majority of the signs in the march... in a few slogans they've made it clear not only that they think they are victims, they also make it clear they have no idea what the other side of the issue is.

Quote :

"respect for people no matter where they came from or who they are (I'm sorry this is so vague, but Trump and his supporters have demonstrated their lack of respect for nearly everyone but white men, and I would like him to know that is not ok "

I like how your most serious/offensive critique of Trump supporters (racism) is also the least-substantiated, and as you said "vague". I think if that is your main critique of your political opposition and you can't even back it up, you really need to get outside of your echo-chamber

Edit: But I realize leftists get a ton of validation from peers when they call Trump Hitler, or a racist, or a Nazi, because that's the cool thing to do. Because in the echo-chamber, we are good and republicans are evil. (This is the level of thinking our 2017 "activists" have, and its depressing honestly)

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 11:04 AM. Reason : .]

1/24/2017 11:02:19 AM

1/24/2017 11:55:45 AM

Quote :

"You frame a huge, complex debate topic like Planned Parenthood in a dishonest, over-simplified way so you can convince yourself you have the moral high ground"

I could not give less shits about any moral highground. It's easy to point to the ground swell of research in this area that all show that abortions actually go DOWN when family planning units exist. It's not rocket science.

But my Jesus said is not an argument. Real, well done research is.

** but this is a failed GOP policy initiative. You know Trump has forced women to put down some fertilized eggs a time or three..

[Edited on January 24, 2017 at 12:13 PM. Reason : X]

1/24/2017 12:10:54 PM

Let me try and frame this as honestly as possible, since the left seems to have no desire to even come close to framing the issue fairly:

The right doesn't want to pay for an organization offering abortions.

The left wants the right to pay for an organization offering abortions.

That's the issue.

When you attach the harmless non-abortion aspects of planned parenthood and act as if the right is targeting that as part of a "war on women" you are either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

1/24/2017 12:35:24 PM

So it's about control and not abortion? I'm actually OK with that. It's honest at least.

But don't sit here and tell me it's about abortion when it's a policy that empirically and demonstrably INCREASES actual abortions.

1/24/2017 12:54:05 PM

bruh, he's trolling you

1/24/2017 12:58:16 PM

He may be but that is actually a pretty consistent GOP argument.

Plus it's not like there is actually many people who post on here anymore to respond to.

1/24/2017 1:00:33 PM