Quote :

"He's not racist guyz, trust us, he just happens to be the primary editor for a news site highly preferred by white supremacists. "

White supremacists preferring a candidate over Clinton does not mean there is a connection between the candidate and white supremacy.

It's just another half-assed weak argument from the butthurt SJWs that have to paint their enemy as ___ist, ____phobic, or hitler because they can't think for themselves.

OMG a KKK member made his hood out of the linen your company makes... YOURE RACIST BY ASSOCIATION.

11/14/2016 12:55:36 PM

Go re-read the post dumbass. I'm talking about Bannon and Brietbart, not Trump.

11/14/2016 1:01:40 PM

The same logic applies.

If you are preferred by a customer with _____ characteristics, it does not mean you yourself have ______ characteristics.

If you could view the world outside of your "everything is racist AmeriKKKa" perspective it would help you out a lot.

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2016 1:56:43 PM

So out of the hundreds (thousands?) of online magazines, white supremacists just randomly chose Brietbart, not because Brietbart actively caters to them. Gotcha.

11/14/2016 2:07:16 PM

as usual, JCEbot is letting his biases clutter his rationality

11/14/2016 2:35:34 PM

He reasons like a middle school student-- which I guess is probably representative of a lot of voters.

It's true kkk type groups tend to support the republican president, but in the past it's just been "we don't support either candidate but at least republicans will kick the blacks off welfare".

With trump, it was visceral passion for his blatant prejudice of people based on their race and his alliance with breitbart. You don't have to read too much more than their press releases and posts from across the white national sphere to see they are energized by trump and proud to say so.

11/14/2016 2:40:50 PM

So Trump maybe is going to have Bolton, of the biggest proponents of the Iraq war, the guy who thinks it didn't go far enough, the guy who advocates for invading more countries, as the secretary of state?

I don't think a GOP congress is dumb enough to approve this, so who is the real choice waiting in the wings i wonder...

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/798249519628558336

11/14/2016 4:30:52 PM

We will see if he actually is selected.

A lot of direct contradictions to what he campaigned for. Even the biggest parts. Some good changes. Some bad changes.

I guess I'd prefer Bolton to Rudy (which is what WSJ was reporting).

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 4:36 PM. Reason : WSJ]

11/14/2016 4:36:34 PM

^ Bolton is far more dangerous than Rudy. Rudy wouldn't make a good sec of state, but Bolton would be openly antagonistic and bellicose. Considering how much Trump used the Iraq war as a negative, it's startling he thinks Bolton would make a good choice.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/white-nationalists-on-bannon/index.html
White nationalists are thrilled their alt-right hero is so close to Trump.

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2016 4:46:11 PM

It is absolutely hilarious how obsessed the brainwashed SJWs are with the KKK.

You're talking about a few thousand hicks spread out across a few Podunk towns who are nationally despised and denounced by everyone.

This is how desperate the liberal media has become with their smear campaigns, I guess I shouldn't be suprised the gullible SJWs are reporting as ordered to regurgitate the clickbait.

It's the same logic as me saying the Orlando shooter was a democrat, and supported Obama. Homophobic mass shooters are thrilled to have a president that they can vote for! Will Obama denounce his ISIS voters?

This comparison goes completely over your head though, as you are so entrenched in your SJW echo-chamber no amount of logic or reason can convince you otherwise.

11/14/2016 5:48:36 PM

Forget the KKK


http://gothamist.com/2016/11/14/tune_into_americas_last_season.php

Quote :

"Worse: "Also his team’s grasp of federal powers is fairly paltry. They had hours long meetings with outside advisors to figure out what could and couldn’t be delegated to Pence, what the president could do unilaterally, etc.," the advisor said. Indeed, according to the Journal, Trump "seemed surprised by the scope" of "the duties of running the country," and Obama has agreed to help hold his hand through it for a bit, even though Trump's repeatedly called him "unfit to serve," "a disaster," and "the worst president, maybe in the history of our country." These criticisms seem harsh, but it's cool: that was before Trump found out that being president is hard."

LOL

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 6:50 PM. Reason : Lollllll]

11/14/2016 6:38:09 PM

You hacks couldn't identify media bias if it grabbed you by the pussy

11/14/2016 7:13:14 PM

I'm willing to give Trump a chance.

JCE has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he isn't worth that.

11/14/2016 7:14:54 PM

Oh no, my TWW soap box liberal echo-chamber credibility!!!!! No!!!!!

11/14/2016 7:31:18 PM

LOL at any of his choices thus far. He has no idea what the fuck he's doing. It's cute that y'all are giving him a chance.

11/14/2016 7:44:00 PM

^^ you should be. If you can't communicate in a reasonable fashion with relatively moderate left learners maybe the issue is with you.

11/14/2016 7:48:47 PM

Quote :

"It's cute that y'all are giving him a chance."

It's pathetic and sad that you aren't.

11/14/2016 7:55:28 PM

Dude probably couldn't pass a high school civics class. He ran a campaign on hate and racial division. He openly mused about attacking the freedom of the press, bringing back torture, and advocated for killing the families of suspected terrorists. He wants to expand civil liberty abuses like stop and frisk, and advocated for mass deportations and a ramping up of our police state while appointing right wing radicals to his cabinet. His first order of business will be to appoint a Supreme Court justice even though the seat has been vacate and obstructed by his party.


But fuck it, let's just roll the dice and see if he was just joking around.

11/14/2016 8:12:00 PM

I mean, let's set aside the banana republic wackiness of what's going on here for a second and just evaluate it objectively. Reince Priebus, while an establishment Republican, has never held any government position at any level, ever. Anywhere. He's a political operative, and apparently a very good one, but he has absolutely zero experience actually governing. Steve Bannon has participated in, shall we say, an eclectic set of careers throughout his life. Again, none of them include a position at any level of government. It goes without saying that Trump himself has never held a government job.

So here we are, T-minus 68 days from the new administration taking over, and there is a combined zero seconds of relevant experience among the people tasked with quite literally the most complex and demanding job in government. Now, Republicans have always espoused the belief that business experience prepares you for governing. Well, we're about to put that theory to the ultimate test!

11/14/2016 8:13:09 PM

^^
What do you propose?

11/14/2016 8:23:49 PM

PROTEST!

CALL FOR THE ABOLITION OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!

PROTEST!

WALK OUT OF CLASS!

PROTEST!

BEAT UP TRUMP SUPPORTERS!

PROTEST!

11/14/2016 8:26:16 PM

Linda McMahon for Secretary of Commerce?

11/14/2016 8:28:03 PM

Vince McMahon for press secretary

11/14/2016 8:29:37 PM

Quote :

"What do you propose?"

In my case, a Californian secession. I got nothing really exciting or inspiring for the rest of y'all. So, good luck.

11/14/2016 8:30:14 PM

Chris Christie should be as far away as possible.

Rudy as Sec State?

How about Ron Paul for Treasury Secretary?!

11/14/2016 8:31:08 PM

^^
Well that's not gonna happen so what else?

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 8:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2016 8:31:10 PM

I dunno man. Too busy California Dreamin'

11/14/2016 8:41:54 PM

how dare people call out the absolute insanity that is the Trump Presidency

11/14/2016 8:51:30 PM

Quote :

"I don't think a GOP congress is dumb enough to approve this, so who is the real choice waiting in the wings i wonder..."

Looks like the real choice is Giuliani, which is still an abysmal choice.

11/14/2016 10:26:10 PM

Normalizing Trump is not an option.

11/15/2016 11:06:33 AM

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/306045-carson-turned-down-offer-to-serve-in-trump-administration-report

It looks like Carson is declining a position because he doesn't feel like he has the experience to do a good job running an agency... Lol

Be probably realizes what a disaster trump would be and doesn't want to be associated with him.

11/15/2016 11:42:04 AM

Man I just assumed most of these guys were supporting Trump just in case the off chance he won they could grab these spots... otherwise why flip and support him after the primary?

11/15/2016 11:53:58 AM

JesusHChrist:

Quote :

"What do you propose?"

Seriously, I value your opinion.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 11:54:34 AM

Rand Paul threatened to block Jon Bolton's nomination.

The first filibuster threat comes from...a Republican.

11/15/2016 1:02:45 PM

I mean, I think we have to organize and prioritize. I said in one of the other threads that I expect the occupy movement or some equivalent to re-emerge itself. And now that Republicans control all the branches of government, maybe establishment Democrats won't be so quick to dismiss their grievances. Between occupy, BLM (regardless of your opinion of them, you have to respect their numbers), union protests (again, they have deep ties to socialist movements), student debt activists, Bernie liberals, Dakota Access Pipeline and other environmental activists, ACLU civil libertarian types, and even Rand Paul libertarians, etc, there is enough popular rage out there to make a change. The trick is to get them all on the same page and on message, in my opinion. If they fracture off into their little enclaves, then nothing will get done. You have to get them to unite around one common goal and have a clear path for reform.

My initial gut reaction is that the common goal would have to be getting money out of politics. I think getting money out of politics (repealing citizens united and capping campaign contributions) is a good start. Then you start tackling income inequality.

But honestly, I don't know. Both of those issues will meet massive resistance. It's not going to be easy. I'm still chewing on this issue myself.

11/15/2016 1:39:01 PM

Quote :

"My initial gut reaction is that the common goal would have to be getting money out of politics."

That's literally the first thing in his 100 day plan.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf

So while I agree that he's done a lot of shitty things and could be lying, it's in our best interest to push him on things like this. We have clear bipartisan support in the electorate, and a president who claims to be on our side. That is pretty powerful.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 1:49:46 PM

Yeah. Look, too the extent that he wants to ethically stamp out corruption, I'm all for it. If, however, he simply wants to use his power to punish his political enemies ("special prosecutors," "lock her up," etc), then we have to oppose him. It's almost impossible to predict his desires because he's so erratic and bombastic, so we have to assume the worst, especially considering who he is surrounding himself with. And for the record, he's surrounding himself with corrupt politicians, sooooo....?


We're in a very scary situation, because there are many people who will happily substitute "removing corruption" with authoritarian blood lust. Those people need to be offered a safer alternative that still achieves their goals without resorting to vengeful scapegoating.

11/15/2016 2:06:03 PM

Ben Carson doesn't think he has enough experience yet he ran for president LOL.

11/15/2016 2:10:18 PM

^^
Agreed, but I'm not going to let media speculation dictate my opinions. Let's see how his cabinet actually turns out, and see what he says leading up to January. Liberals are just shooting themselves in the foot by definitively claiming it's already over.

11/15/2016 2:13:29 PM

^^Ben Carson also believes the pyramids were built to store grain, soooooo...

^ No. Liberals are preparing for the worst until he proves himself otherwise. He doesn't get the benefit of doubt given the way he ran his campaign. It's pretty ridiculous to suggest otherwise if you're actually a progressive.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 2:13:50 PM

looks like the list of suckers is growing

11/15/2016 2:16:18 PM

^^^I mean, he's already stated that he wants Pence to run his domestic and foreign policy. He said that. And that dude already has a track record. And his cabinet positions so far off the rails that there is sufficient reason for concern.

It's reckless for liberals to hope for the best, in my opinion. The time for political action and mobilization is now, not after the damage is already done. I mean, what more would the man have to say during a campaign before you considered it too dangerous for the republic to give him a chance?

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ]

11/15/2016 2:18:08 PM

^^^
Not really saying much when your idea of preparing for the worst is ditching most of the people you claimed to be fighting for...

I have yet to see any real ideas on how to work with this situation other than crying about it. I'm open to different opinions, really.

^
He supposedly said that to Kasich, in July. And it isn't even confirmed. What cabinet position is set other than Bannon's made up one?

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 2:18:21 PM

Quote :

"^^I mean, he's already stated that he wants Pence to run his domestic and foreign policy."

From what I remember that's the offer he made to Kasich and people just assumed that his next VP pick would get the same offer.

I think its relatively safe to assume that however given that Trump plans to go back to NY on weekends.

11/15/2016 2:23:01 PM

6^ It does take a lot of explaining away his actions and his words to give him a chance.

Off the top of my head you have to:

- Believe he was lying about the Heritage Foundation. Any justice recommended through them will not be for women's rights, gay rights or overturning Citizens United.

- Believe he is serious about cleaning up corruption despite still having Chris Christie on his transition team and having spent a lot of his campaign with Paul Manafort as it's head. Not to mention the yet unknown scope of his business interests and potential conflicts there.

- Believe he is not going to be a hawk despite his previous comments on Iraq, Libya and Syria (before it became politically expedient to be against them) and his interest in Bolton as SoS

- Believe he will allow peaceful dissent and will take police overreach seriously despite having Sherriff's Arpaio and Clarke as well as Rudy as confidants

So while I am giving him a chance because I do think he is more moderate than people give him credit for it does take a lot mental gymnastics for me to square away what I hope he is with what he has been the last year and with whom he is surrounding himself with.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:27 PM. Reason : Businesses]

11/15/2016 2:24:50 PM

I'm just going to believe he will do all the horrible shit he said he would do until he proves otherwise. Of course you can't prove a negative so guess I'll be waiting 4 years

11/15/2016 2:30:49 PM

^^
I won't deny that it takes some effort to explain his actions.

Bannon, Christie, etc supported him strongly during the election. He couldn't completely turn them away. So he gave Christie a temporary spot and Bannon a made up position with no real power. Let's see how his full cabinet turns out. I think his Secretary of State choice will say everything we need to know. I don't buy the Giuliani rumors.

I think one thing he is definitely honest about is his unwavering defense of police, and that is a legitimately scary thing we need to fight him on.

As far as other positions? I don't know. There are some I like, some are terrible, and I have no idea which ones he will keep. But keep this in mind when you talk about campaign promises:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/browse/

11/15/2016 2:33:15 PM

Oh god Tom Cotton for Sec of Defense. We are all gonna fucking die.

11/15/2016 6:58:32 PM

What if I told you everything you campaigned on didn't matter?

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 7:25 PM. Reason : tbf, it's just "sources" saying that]

11/15/2016 7:23:13 PM

Rudy for SoS has to be a joke.

11/15/2016 7:28:08 PM