Luckie'd

1/21/2017 4:13:33 PM

He wasn't out of bounds ahahahahaha

1/21/2017 4:14:06 PM

I thought you could review out of bounds calls?

1/21/2017 4:14:58 PM

Can they review that??

1/21/2017 4:15:08 PM

Audience needs to bum rush Jamie Lucky after the buzzer

1/21/2017 4:15:10 PM

Everyone email yow not to let this prick in pnc ever again

1/21/2017 4:15:24 PM

Petition to fire??

1/21/2017 4:16:47 PM

Seriously, put a fucking trespass warning out on Luckie and dare the ACC to do anything about it.

1/21/2017 4:16:58 PM

Quote :

"Except he is by far the best defensive big we have, and the only one who seems to give a shit about defense when he plays. That shit about highlight blocks makes me think you haven't actually watched him play this year."

Watched every one. And for his size, his rebounding numbers are atrocious.

If you think Anya is a good player defensively, for beating up a couple no namers half his height twice a year, then you probably haven't watched the other games. He is almost serviceable on defense because he eats up so much space. Pretty much negated by his complete ineptitude on offense (Abu, Yurt, and Kapita all being way better than he is in this regard) and missing a few possessions each game because he hardly makes it past half court by the time the shot's gone up.

Quote :

"Literally nobody on the team has those"

I agree. And if you think Anya has them, you're insane.

And potential? If you're holding out hope for this year, you haven't watched enough games.


Seriously, I can't believe I am having this argument. If you think Anya should be getting all of these minutes over two future NBA players plus Kapita, then you're wasting my time.

[Edited on January 21, 2017 at 4:19 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2017 4:17:16 PM

We can't play defense. Still

Refs are shit. Still.

1/21/2017 4:17:32 PM

Not even close to out of bounds. Eliminated all hope

1/21/2017 4:17:34 PM

What the fuck. That has to be reviewed right?

1/21/2017 4:17:37 PM

Whatever how do you let the refs become a factor at home can Wake? Make free throws and play some defense and win by 10 like this roster should. At least when I saw they had lost 20 in a row that there was no doubt we would help them break that streak.

1/21/2017 4:17:59 PM

yeah, not sure. Vent at Gott, or vent at Luckie. I aint even mad

1/21/2017 4:18:04 PM

Alright. Let's see a pic of Henderson when he's actually touching the ball.

1/21/2017 4:18:22 PM

This team being bad does not absolve the refs of fucking us over.

Unfortunately these things are not mutually exclusive and we are allowed to be mad about both.

1/21/2017 4:18:33 PM

Ohmy, we just will have to agree to disagree about Anya. He's not good. I'm not arguing that. But he's not as bad defensively as you say. And the other options are no better and maybe worse defensively.

1/21/2017 4:19:04 PM

Luckie needs to be banned from state games the same way that prick Hess is and Gott needs to go.

1/21/2017 4:24:51 PM

Would be nice to see us play with that urgency for more than 3 minutes. But fuck the refs also

1/21/2017 4:26:38 PM

why does it always seem like State cant shoot free throws, no matter the coach?

1/21/2017 4:27:34 PM

We definitely could under herb. But here's some context on the ft shooting under gott from like 3 weeks ago, back in non conference play.

Quote :

"our FT shooting is up ~3.5% so far this year. in particular, Abu is 77% this year (up from 63% last year) and Beejay is 53.6%...up from 43% last year. it's obviously a smaller sample size than all of last season and Beejay has only shot 28 FTs...but it's encouraging for sure. also, highest FT % under Gott was Year 1 when we were 70.4%. This year we're at 73.2%...so this could be his best FT shooting team. "

Posted all this a couple weeks ago. Haven't looked at the stats, but our FT shooting has gotten worse. Dorn missing, Henderson missing, DSJ missing. Those are the guys we need to count on to be very strong from the line.

[Edited on January 21, 2017 at 4:32 PM. Reason : H]

1/21/2017 4:31:07 PM

counterpoint, anthony grundy

1/21/2017 4:32:04 PM

I just went back and watched it like 10 times. Don't focus on where hendersons foot is. Watch when luckie is actually watching the baseline...

1/21/2017 4:41:32 PM

eh, not worth the energy getting worked up over

1/21/2017 4:56:55 PM

Luckie didn't give up 90+ points at home.

1/21/2017 5:28:28 PM

which again, us being atrocious, is in no way related to the 3 blatantly blown calls in the last minute of the game.

1/21/2017 5:35:39 PM

I get being upset with the refs over blown calls. But that pales in comparison to the wasted talent being put on the floor every single game.

1/21/2017 5:48:57 PM

who are you arguing with ?

1/21/2017 5:56:20 PM

The world

1/21/2017 6:01:20 PM

Quote :

""He said he didn't need to review it. He had it for sure," Gottfried said of Luckie's call"

that's the ultimate smack in the face not only did he blow the call he refused to review it even though that's his job.

1/21/2017 6:32:20 PM

Was it clear on the arena replay that he didn't step out? If so Gott should have gone berserk, take the jacket off at least

1/21/2017 7:12:36 PM

Unfortunately it's not a surprise that luckie is the most arrogant sonofabitch in the league.

1/21/2017 7:13:03 PM

^^ you couldn't see henderson's foot in the arena replay, it only showed from the ankle up (they showed the shot from the cameraman under the basket)

1/21/2017 7:46:35 PM

How can they review that though? Just award us the ball? I didn't think that was a reviewable play.

1/21/2017 7:47:19 PM

Yeah idk. You can review who the ball went off of in late game situations. Not sure if you can review the actual call of out of bounds though. Which is idiotic. Don't have review if you aren't willing to review easy calls like that

1/21/2017 8:44:03 PM

Each coach should be allowed one challenge during the final 4 minutes of a game. If they lose the challenge, they lose a timeout so that it doesn't impact the time of the game. Seems like a simple way to help in situations like today and I'm sure 95% of the coaches would be in favor. Only teams like UNC or Duke who already get preferential treatment would be opposed.

1/21/2017 10:21:56 PM

anya may be able to get blocks, but he is a liability every time he is out there. He can't provide help d for a driving guard without fouling and struggles to run the court. I would be fine with him riding the pine and giving kapita more minutes (but maybe his defense would be just as bad). Anya has gotten lucky on stripping the ball a couple times, but his slowness is why he eventually racks up the fouls.

I don't know if basketball keeps +/- type of stats, but I would be very surprised if Anya has a positive +/- stat line.

Yurtseven needs to stop going over the back. Too many stupid fouls that is limiting his playing time.

Free throws was one of the more frustrating parts of the past few games. If we would hit our damn free throws, we wouldn't be in these tight end of game situations.

1/22/2017 10:42:44 AM

This season is shaping up to be the most disappointing one in the last 20 years.

[Edited on January 23, 2017 at 12:05 AM. Reason : h]

1/22/2017 11:42:34 PM

^^http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/beejay-anya-1.html

Anya's DBPM - defensive box plus/minus - is better than Yurt or Abu's, fwiw. now...here's the definition of that phrase and i'm not sure i completely understand it.

Quote :

"DBPM -- Defensive Box Plus/Minus A box score estimate of the defensive points per 100 possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team"

his offensive box plus/minus is not good (duh, not surprising) and his total box plus/minus is better than Yurt or Abu's this year.

now...somebody smarter than me can tell me why that's a flawed stat or whatever. i don't know. or somebody with a kenpom subscription can set me straight.

1/23/2017 7:18:43 AM

I don't see a DBPM stat on Kenpom even with the subscription

1/23/2017 9:22:18 AM

yeah i don't know how widely used DBPM or OBPM are...kenpom may or may not have similar statistic. no clue. i just sort of stumbled upon it on sports-reference

1/23/2017 9:33:52 AM

I would imagine the weakness in a box score stat is that it only tracks the basics--rebounds, blocks, steals--without regard to minutes or strength of opponent (both team and lineup/individually). Some of the more advanced defensive statistics (dunno if they even exist in college) can track how much your contribution matters when you consistently play against the second string, for example. They can also track where opponents are taking their shots when you are in. For example, if you are a beast defensively and completely deny the inside guys the ball, while also protecting the rim with your presence and the other team constantly has to take long jumpers, that may not ever show up in the box score.


All I know is that I would take Abu, Kapita and Yurt over Beejay all day long if that's the choice. They are all bad defensively and at least the first three provide some versatility and athleticism on D and some threat in the way of offense.

1/23/2017 10:00:26 AM

CAN WE GET A DUKE GAME THREAD?!?

1/23/2017 10:24:31 AM

In case you wanted some fresh outrage over how bad Luckie is against state, here you go:

No call on the Markel layup

https://twitter.com/jwgiglio/status/823209670542299137

Close-up of the touch foul on Abu at the end

https://twitter.com/jwgiglio/status/823213871691341828

That also doesn't count the non-call on the offensive foul on collins when he rolled over one of our stationary players from the 1st half. That would have been the second foul on collins at like 10 min left in the first half. Or the flagrant on Beejay for the elbow that didn't happen (and even if it did, he was in Beejay's cylinder). Luckie should honestly be banned from state games the same way that SOB Hess was.

[Edited on January 23, 2017 at 10:33 AM. Reason : d]

1/23/2017 10:31:26 AM

Well, let's hope he shouts a racist remark to a big donor and gets banned from the whole ACC

1/23/2017 11:17:14 AM

At this point we don't need a Duke game Thread, just make one thread of the rest of the season.

2017 Wolfpack Shitty Basketball The thread.

1/23/2017 11:29:41 AM

Or the no call and 1 on the Henderson dunk

1/23/2017 1:36:12 PM

video of that fucking terrible OB call that Luckie "didn't need to review"

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/nc-state-not-so-luckie-on-out-of-bounds-call/16457521/

1/23/2017 7:51:10 PM

I hate to say it dmspack but it's probably not a total coincidence that our team has played some of the best defense (for them ) all year and Beejay has ridden the pine.

1/23/2017 8:19:32 PM

I'm trying to find video of the flagrant foul call on BJ. I was discussing it with someone tonight who thought it was a fair call. I thought it was BS but am having trouble finding anything on it.

1/24/2017 10:06:18 PM