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"Warren Buffett"

LOL

5/17/2017 7:10:43 PM

Trump is leveraged to the point he's worthless to that message.

5/17/2017 7:23:17 PM

Zuckerberg 2020

5/17/2017 7:37:52 PM

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"If you care about corruption, wouldn't an unprecedented, non-establishment, self-financed outsider candidate be the cure for it?"

Seriously? That's inductive reasoning at its worst.

Since I was mugged by an illegal Mexican't, all illegal Mexican'ts are muggers!!!

This is LOGIC 001.

Come on, you can do better.

5/17/2017 10:23:11 PM

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"Come on, you can do better."

Actually, he can't

On the topic though, I'm going to toss Oprah's name into the ring for 2020.

She's rich, she's black, she's famous, she grew up poor and smoked crack, she's a good businesswoman, and it's time for America to start reading actual books from bestseller's lists again. She checks all the boxes, so the Dems better start wooing her now.



[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 10:52 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2017 10:48:56 PM

she also wastes more water in california than their citizens can drink

5/17/2017 10:57:39 PM

She fat too, so nm y'all. Gotta go with someone skinnier and less wasteful.

5/18/2017 2:08:18 AM

Thoroughly enjoyed reading every bit of this with "evil" pleasure!

Look at all the White House'ers, including Trump, shitting their pants and scurrying and hiding away like cockroaches about to be stomped, after they came to Mueller was appointed special counsel:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/17/politics/trump-mueller-white-house-turmoil/index.html

Muahahaha

5/18/2017 3:15:38 AM

He STILL thinks Trump was self-financed?!?!?! Holy fucking shit.

One can coherently say he spent more of his own money than a typical candidate and that he spent far less as a campaign than Clinton. I would never argue against that.

But to STILL say he was self-financed is to completely abandon any pretense of trying to be factual.

[Edited on May 18, 2017 at 7:48 AM. Reason : He should be impeached for not knowing how to spell counsel]

5/18/2017 7:47:07 AM

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"This is LOGIC 001."

LOL @ OEP using an irrelevant false equivalency and pretending he can "logic". That is adorable.

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"^^, yes I would love that. Trump is not that person though."

Not the ideal candidate by any means, yet the fact that all of the corrupt establishment entities that have potential to ruin the balance of power in this country (Media, deep state, Soros & co) are desperately working together to fight Trump, seems to be a credit to him.

[Edited on May 18, 2017 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2017 2:57:16 PM

Deep state!

5/18/2017 3:25:11 PM

Soros has his man on the inside too -- Kushner.

5/18/2017 3:34:53 PM

Obviously, Trump isn't part of the DOJ(he's its boss), but this is pretty interesting considering the WAY he answered the question...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVnqpUUgJo
Seems like, at the very minimum, the equivalent of what happened in regards to meetings with Russia during Sessions' confirmation hearing.


this testimony was on may 3rd. he says trump asked him in february. he just now reported it ]

[Edited on May 18, 2017 at 4:01 PM. Reason : k]

5/18/2017 3:54:52 PM

I assume that is Comey. It been making the rounds among Trump supporters today.

[Edited on May 18, 2017 at 4:03 PM. Reason : You may be right, though, of course. But this is real and should be pursued as is being done]

5/18/2017 3:56:55 PM

comey was asked if the AG or senior officials at the DOJ can halt an investigation
comey says in theory yes
comey is asked if it (investigation halted) has happened
comey says no, it would be a big deal
at 26 seconds he makes it clear he is talking about a situation where they are told to stop something, not about being influenced

i'm not aware of anyone claiming that the AG, senior DOJ, or Trump told or directed Comey to stop

Trump tried to influence

yuuuuge nothingburger youtube video

5/18/2017 5:02:02 PM

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"If you care about corruption, wouldn't an unprecedented, non-establishment, self-financed outsider candidate be the cure for it?"

I'll never understand this line of thinking. If Ted Kaczynski spent fifty dollars on campaign fliers, he'd be an "unprecedented, non-establishment, self-financed outsider candidate." It's not enough to be weird, rich, and inexperienced. You also have to be smart, good, and have ideas to match. By which standard, Ted Kaczynski is leading Trump 1-0. At least the Unabomber was smart.

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I don't know if I'm buying impeachment as the outcome. At least, not the meaningful kind. Too many of the congressional Republicans are screwballs, and the Know Nothing dipshits that elected him don't care how corrupt he is. (See: JCE2011) It doesn't matter that the media is baying for his blood. It doesn't matter that we all think he's an obvious crook. His core of Trumpites still think he'll make all the Mexicans and Muslims go away and make $40-an-hour-with-no-education-required jobs come back. And our system puts an awful lot of congressional districts in the hands of slobbering idiots.

But, I have very real hope that he'll resign. Some combination of pettiness, thin skin, and the fact that he doesn't like being President all that much even when things are going relatively well. He can take his ball and go home.

5/18/2017 10:30:16 PM

Resignation is the most likely outcome, I agree. Really seems like the GOP is gearing up for this too, or at least seriously hedging for this outcome

Ideally, any investigation will dig into his finances and prove he's been overstating his wealth.

5/19/2017 2:56:07 AM

Why would the GOP not go for this? They would prefer Pence anyway. A polished politician who won't constantly make gaffes? Why not? Couldn't be any worse that the current situation, at least from the Republican perspective.

The left are having a field day with Trump right now, but Trump is so caught up in fighting his own ego that he's not worried about getting any real policy put through. Soon as Trump fades away and Pence is put in place, the conservative legislation might just rain down.

5/19/2017 7:24:36 AM

That doesn't sound fun.

5/19/2017 8:07:53 AM

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"Ideally, any investigation will dig into his finances and prove he's been overstating his wealth"

WTF does that have to do with anything?

5/19/2017 8:37:19 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

5/19/2017 9:08:21 AM

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"I'll never understand this line of thinking. "

I'll dumb it down for you: follow the money.

Previous presidents have relied on their donors (bosses) paying for them to be puppets. The same bosses control the media. It's all cash for favors, it is all corrupt. The owner of Very Fake News CNN was one of Clinton's top donors, for example.

That's why Trump's unprecedented level of self-financing, unprecedented disregard for the corrupt media, and unprecedented disregard for the Marxist "politically correct" speech was a welcome change to half of the GOP base.

It's hilarious though to watch you hacks talk about corruption after you voted for corruption personified. And the ^Schadenfreude is 100% accurate... I guess if the corrupt media constantly tells the public something, the bottom 20% on the IQ scale are gonna get brainwashed eventually.

5/19/2017 10:56:51 AM

Roger Ailes was a Trump advisor.

5/19/2017 10:57:58 AM

5/19/2017 10:58:49 AM

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""i'd encourage everyone to just ignore JCE2011 in this thread, it should be obvious to you that he is trolling and has no interest in a good intentioned debate or discussion""

5/19/2017 11:08:17 AM

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""i'd encourage everyone to just ignore JCE2011 in this thread on this site, it should be obvious to you that he it is trolling and has no interest in a good intentioned debate or discussion"

5/19/2017 11:19:21 AM

And Fox News tried to knock Trump out early in the primaries, until their viewership sided with Trump over Megan Kelly.

Roger Ailes has been a media advisor to every republican president.

And Steve Bannon is the same guy you would label "alt-right" and "fringe"... are we really going to pretend he is part of the mainstream establishment? Breitbart's site has been critical of the GOP since the start.

The point is Trump is an outsider coming into the swamp, whereas Clinton was the swamp monster who had been lurking in it for years.

5/19/2017 11:27:00 AM

With a cabinet full of billionaires, ^this guy thinks Trump self-financed most of his campaign. There's denial, and then there's ^.

5/19/2017 11:29:40 AM

When I think of an outsider I think of a real estate developer/reality television star worth billions of dollars

5/19/2017 11:34:37 AM

JCE aside, I'm continually amazed that some people don't consider Fox News as part of the mainstream media. They DEFINE cable media for all intents and purposes.

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 11:51 AM. Reason : Irony is Trump is more corrupt than HRC could have ever hoped to be]

5/19/2017 11:50:37 AM

So Trump, with no experience as a politician, isn't an outsider because he was rich and famous?

But at the same time Trump isn't rich and famous because he lied about his success, and he is actually a failure with so many bankruptcies...

But at the same time he was too rich and didn't pay taxes! Except he paid a higher % of taxes than Bernie....

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 12:12 PM. Reason : when narratives collide]

5/19/2017 11:54:44 AM

I'm inclined to agree with JCE on Trump being an outsider. He is a political outsider. Bernie was an outsider. They've both been treated unfairly by the media, to some degree.

Obviously I don't agree with Trump on policy, and he's a a thin skinned moron, but so far, he has not done anything to warrant impeachment. The showboating by Democrats and purple state Republicans is embarrassingly transparent, and I'm disappointed by how many people are falling for it.

5/19/2017 1:13:44 PM

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"JCE aside, I'm continually amazed that some people don't consider Fox News as part of the mainstream media. They DEFINE cable media for all intents and purposes."

It was imagined as a conservative foil to what was considered liberal mainstream news sources. Over time it became a dominant player in cable news by splitting off all the conservative viewers from the other channels. But the original intent was to be an "alternative" to mainstream cable news.

As for how all this plays out in the end, I still don't see impeachment as a possibility mainly due to the lack of GOP members who would be willing to convict. Maybe Trump resigns but I don't see that happening either. They want their tax cuts, it's their "Obamacare", and they are willing to weather a political storm to get them. Of course, instead of providing healthcare to the poor it's welfare for the rich, but whatever both parties are the same!

5/19/2017 1:15:25 PM

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"They've both been treated unfairly by the media, to some degree."

go on....

5/19/2017 1:52:39 PM

Typically when people write notes down to summarize a meeting, they send them to the participants so both sides can acknowledge they are on the same page and have them for reference, the fact that only a select part of 3 month old notes was read by one of Comey's associates to the New York Times right after Comey was fired, it is pretty blatantly deepstate and media working against Trump

Obama Deep state: "Hey here is a sentence that you could spin into bad headlines, here you go fake news"
NYT: "Thanks!"

Some banana republic shit going on

5/19/2017 2:08:30 PM

Do you use the term "deep state" because it sounds more ominous than bureaucracy?

5/19/2017 2:32:25 PM

Trump is clearly a victim

5/19/2017 2:32:38 PM

all of those terms are to troll you morons

5/19/2017 2:38:04 PM

Who is the last President that some people didn't want to impeach?

5/19/2017 2:45:46 PM

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"go on...."

Bernie:

- Including superdelegates in the running, which gave people the impression that Hillary was far ahead early on
- Collusion with the DNC, feeding Clinton debate questions, etc
- Constant mischaracterization of his healthcare plan, his "free college" plan, his gun votes, and so on
- Failing to cover his campaign because Trump stories make more $$$

Trump:

- Turning every single thing into a scandal or possible scandal because, again, it makes them $$$
- Turning positives into negatives. Coverage of his 100 day plan, for example. There are a few legitimately good things in there that were spun as negatives.

Maybe there is actually something to the Russia thing. I sure can't tell because I don't have time to wade through 100 articles desperately trying to tie Trump's hotel manager's second cousin to the KGB.

5/19/2017 2:58:36 PM

I feel that the Trump campaign/administration repeatedly getting caught lying about what may otherwise have been rather mundane Russian connections is pretty damning in and of itself.

5/19/2017 3:09:05 PM

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"Turning positives into negatives. Coverage of his 100 day plan, for example. There are a few legitimately good things in there that were spun as negatives."

such as???

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"Maybe there is actually something to the Russia thing. I sure can't tell because I don't have time to wade through 100 articles desperately trying to tie Trump's hotel manager's second cousin to the KGB."

yeah man, that's all there has been so far.

5/19/2017 3:29:37 PM

some of his 100 day plan was very good, the only problem that there wasn't ever any intention or ability to follow it

(term limits - good, 5 year ban on congressional officials becoming lobbyists - good, lifetime ban on white house officials lobbying for foreign government - good, No to TPP - good)

5/19/2017 3:39:56 PM

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"- Turning positives into negatives. Coverage of his 100 day plan, for example. There are a few legitimately good things in there that were spun as negatives."

It's not the ideas that we (at least me) criticized. It was the idea from the start that it was patently obvious he had no will to actually do any of the good stuff he mentioned. It's very hard to take seriously the lobbying rules part when your literal security advisor is a lobbyist and everyone on his staff got exceptions. Just like it's hard to take serious his stance on Wall Street as he hires Wilbur Ross and Steve Mnuchin.

Some of the stuff is over the top and that deserves to be condemned (thankfully, on TWW at least, that hasn't been an issue). For instance when I see people quite Louise Mench or Claude Taylor I feel embarrassed for them.

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 3:41 PM. Reason : Needless commas everywhere ]

5/19/2017 3:40:13 PM

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"yeah man, that's all there has been so far."

Not what I'm saying all. It's just that the most potentially damning information is lost in piles of garbage.

5/19/2017 4:04:55 PM

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"Bernie: - Including superdelegates in the running, which gave people the impression that Hillary was far ahead early on - Collusion with the DNC, feeding Clinton debate questions, etc - Constant mischaracterization of his healthcare plan, his "free college" plan, his gun votes, and so on - Failing to cover his campaign because Trump stories make more $$$ "

Did Obama not face most of this as well, against the same candidate? Not to mention his name, race and background. Hillary actually won more votes than Obama in 2008 but lost on delegates, while she smoked Bernie by nearly 4 million votes in '16. Sometimes you just lose.

5/19/2017 4:13:57 PM

that makes those things fair?

5/19/2017 4:15:29 PM

It's not "fair" but it's the cost of being a political outsider. Remember both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were considered outsiders at one point. Also the entire notion that Bernie was some political neophyte who got a bum rap from the media is dubious at best, he'd already won more elections than anyone else running in either primary (i think?). He knew how to play the game as well as anyone, he just lost.

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2017 4:24:05 PM

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"Also the entire notion that Bernie was some political neophyte who got a bum rap from the media is dubious at best, he'd already won more elections than anyone else running in either primary"

he won in vermont after the democratic incumbent stepped down, and the democratic establishment endorsed him

you can't compare that to a presidential campaign without any establishment support

5/19/2017 4:34:59 PM

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"Not what I'm saying all. It's just that the most potentially damning information is lost in piles of garbage"

not from reputable outlets

5/19/2017 4:54:54 PM