dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
A lot of words to say, "yes, whatabout..." 5/18/2019 6:53:13 AM |
theDuke866 All American 52839 Posts user info edit post |
Even you cannot be that fucking obtuse. 5/18/2019 8:58:41 AM |
JesusHChrist All American 4458 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "so...what're your thoughts about Hillary Clinton?" |
Not sure why you're asking me this a solid two months after my post, but I'm sure you can guess my position.
State secrets are bullshit. Like, uniformly. State secrets are completely at odds with the concept of democratic self governance. A citizenry cannot make informed decisions when the state apparatus withholds information from the population. This level of secrecy and unequal application of the law is a hallmark characteristic of authoritarian regimes.
If a politician can leak or disclose ISueS of NaTionAL SecuRity without consequence, and low-level grunts in the military cannot leak that same information without being locked in a dark cage, then there is clearly a double standard happening. If the information is super-duper-extra-top-secret-deluxe-with-cheese and cannot under any circumstances being revealed, then it stands to reason that the punishment would be uniformly applied. The fact that this is not the case, and the punishment for exposing classified information is NEVER uniformly applied demonstrates just how ridiculous the permanent security state is. It also shows how dangerously close the US government is to being totalitarian in nature, with defacto one-party rule where members within the party are protected from all wrongdoing and non-party members are punished for the crime of exposing wrongdoing from political actors.
It's insane to me that we are focusing the debate on how severely those who expose government wrongdoing should be punished, rather than discussing the information that is being exposed.5/19/2019 12:06:06 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "that the right is making much ado about nothing regarding Hillary's security breaches." |
I didn't say that.
Quote : | "Manning, Clinton, the whole circle of Trumps and Trumps-in-law...fuck all of them, in my book." |
I'm mostly in agreement with that sentiment, but recklessly and blindly turning over a million military and diplomatic records to fucking Wikileaks is just a wee bit worse than Hillary not abiding by the proper secure protocol in her email communications. And the shit that the Trumps are pulling is in a different stratosphere than both of those examples.
Quote : | "It's insane to me that we are focusing the debate on how severely those who expose government wrongdoing should be punished" |
So you're chalking up the totality of Manning's data dump to Wikileaks as "government wrongdoing"? Tell us more. ]5/19/2019 2:50:41 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
Lot of things to shit on TheDuke for. Not voting for Hillary seems pretty low on the list. 5/19/2019 2:53:27 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Not voting for Hillary seems pretty low on the list." |
Well, the only reason it's even a topic of discussion is because he keeps saying things like:
Quote : | "Also, I have said many, many times that while Hillary is loathsome and her willful mishandling of classified material should otherwise be disqualifying, she would be immensely preferable to Trump. Like, to the point that I’d likely vote for her" |
but he didn't do that exact thing when given the opportunity in 2016, because (i'm not going to look up the exact quote) he thought that it wouldn't matter because he thought she had already won/would easily win Florida for some reason? Perhaps he can fill us in on those details...]5/19/2019 3:01:29 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
https://gizmodo.com/chelsea-manning-responds-after-top-u-n-official-labels-1840771479 1/2/2020 2:11:28 PM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
Hero 1/2/2020 4:23:07 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Her still being held is obviously terrible, but how is she a hero? 1/2/2020 5:04:26 PM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
Shed light on US war crimes
Tortured for 7 years
Continued anti-war activism following her release
Went back to prison in protest of coercive confinement 1/2/2020 5:13:27 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
But she didn't "shed light on war crimes" she simply released a large amount of documents to julian assange without any kind of critical review, selection, or editorializing 1/2/2020 7:47:02 PM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
With the intention of revealing the nature of our asymmetric warfare practices. We were in the midst of two illegal and unethical wars where our soldiers were massacring civilians and torturing people. Why does it matter that it was a raw dump and not editorialized initially? 1/2/2020 8:43:19 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Even Snowden has been openly critical about releasing without modest curation (his words).
Still atrocious that she is basically in solitary for not testifying against Assange. 1/2/2020 9:01:03 PM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
He also praised her for what she did. You can criticize the method (I personally don't care that it wasn't curated), while still accepting that what she did was heroic and good for the world.
https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/821476926372118531 1/2/2020 9:13:03 PM |
StTexan Suggestions??? 7148 Posts user info edit post |
He tried to commit suicide the other day 3/11/2020 11:54:24 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Is it that hard for you to just use the pronoun that someone wants to use? Even if you think they are crazy, it costs you nothing to use the pronouns they want. 3/12/2020 12:30:20 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
True statement. 3/12/2020 12:33:25 AM |
StTexan Suggestions??? 7148 Posts user info edit post |
I really need to get my iphone x looked at. The area of the touchscreen where the ‘s’ and ‘n’ key are must be bad. For the ‘n’ I am always putting spaces in words that don’t need spaces. The ‘s’ key simply doesn’t respond sometimes. I definitely meant to say he, not he. 3/12/2020 1:11:31 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Cool story bro 3/12/2020 1:30:19 AM |
StTexan Suggestions??? 7148 Posts user info edit post |
After dtr’s vociferous defense of pronoun rights I didn’t want my name dragged through the texas mud. Let me be clear. I will support pronoun use that anyone desires. 3/12/2020 1:39:54 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Too late you've already been canceled 3/12/2020 1:00:03 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Its just such an obvious self identifier of being a piece of shit. It doesn't hurt you to do the right thing and doesn't help you to do the wrong thing, just get joy out of trying to piss people off. Since shit has self identified we should respect shits choice and refer to shit as shit. 3/12/2020 1:12:48 PM |
StTexan Suggestions??? 7148 Posts user info edit post |
Judge rules she must be released from jail 3/12/2020 5:52:12 PM |