are you illiterate?

9/12/2008 10:05:30 PM

are you a partisan douchebag?

9/12/2008 10:06:20 PM

his statement: the Bush Doctrine originally was missile defense shield

Me: NO it never was

You: See, you validated it means multiple things

You are illiterate.

Let me breakdown even easier for you. c#s statement was incorrect. I corrected him. You assume that that correction is validation of his original incorrect statement. You are illiterate.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:08:18 PM

oh, you are making me sooooooo wet. still doesn't change the fact that it was a setup. and the douche reply from gibson proves it. but hey straws are great, aren't they?

9/12/2008 10:11:20 PM

duke, just check out how many "fucks" "bullshits" and "retardeds" that nutsmackr has to throw in his posts after he gets stood up by his own rhetoric.

any public moderation would've not only laughed this guy out of here but probably sent him to jail.

9/12/2008 10:15:51 PM

-If- it has changed, and I'd love to see some evidence that it has-- it certainly hasn't changed in the past 5 years.

Durr, I wonder which one she should have responded to? The one in use for the past five years, or the one that no body remembers? How dare we expect a Vice President to make tough decisions like these?

9/12/2008 10:17:20 PM

how dare we expect Gibson to actually clarify an obscure reference that has multiple meanings. i know.

I've got an idea. How about Gibson gets Barack Obama on there and he asks him where all that money went for the education commission he ran that failed so completely. Or, how about Gibson gets Barack Obama on there and asks him about his relationship with an unrepentant, self-avowed terrorist who admitted taking part in bombing the US Capitol and who later said, as the WTC came crashing down on 9/11, that he "wished he had done more." How about that?

Naaaaaaah, a setup question and douche-like rejection of clarification is so much more important, right?

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:21 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2008 10:19:24 PM

Here are some of the tough 'hard-hitting' questions Obama faced with Charles Gibson.

Quote :

"GIBSON: Senator, I'm curious about your feelings last night. It was an historic moment. Has it sunk in yet? GIBSON: Public moments are not your own. There's a million people pulling you in a million different directions, but when everybody clears out, the staff is gone, you're in your hotel room at night and you're alone -- do you say to yourself: "Son of a gun, I've done this?" GIBSON: (inaudible) when you announced, did you truly, in your gut, think that a black man could win the nomination of a major party to be president of the United States? GIBSON: On what three issues will this campaign turn to you? GIBSON: Do you worry that it could turn on race, age and class? GIBSON: Will you go to Iraq? GIBSON: Public financing: Going to take it or going to say no? GIBSON: Is the hardest part of all this behind you or ahead of you? GIBSON: The picture of you in the paper, this morning, with your wife, watching the Clinton speech. What did you think of the Clinton speech? GIBSON: And finally your daughters. What did they say to you? Did they take it as a matter of course that Daddy could be nominated to be president? They never knew what older people know in terms of discrimination, although they may still feel some. What did they say about that? GIBSON: I watched closely your countenance last night, your mien, as you stood in that hall. You didn't smile much. Has the joyfulness of this hit home yet? Do you take joy from it? GIBSON: Senator, thank you. "

9/12/2008 10:22:28 PM

It's not obscure.

At all.

I'm sorry you don't recognize this.


But I'll note that the fact that it's made its way into high school curriculum is a bit more compelling than anything you've put forward.

Quote :

"unrepentant, self-avowed terrorist"

Wow, that's Hannity word-for-word. Nice.

So guilt by extremely tenuous association is chill, but heaven forbid he ask her a question that any high school junior needs to know to pass social studies.


[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:23:44 PM

too bad I was using it before he was, buddy. I guess Hannity copied someone with sense

And, again, high school curriculum means jack shit when she wasn't the one going through it. My parents don't know half of the shit I was taught in high school. Does that make them stupid? I doubt it. Again, the guy on CNN even said it is an obscure reference that few in the national picture use. But hey, keep grasping at straws and accusing me of parrotting Hannity instead of actually discussing something meaningful. Who cares if Obama hangs out w/ a guy who bombed the US Capitol, right? As long as he can answer softball questions from Charles Gibson, then clearly he's the man!

9/12/2008 10:27:03 PM

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"My parents don't know half of the shit I was taught in high school. Does that make them stupid?"

Why didn't McCain pick one of your parents to be VP?

9/12/2008 10:29:08 PM

Why didn't he pick you, since you clearly know so much?

9/12/2008 10:32:13 PM

I made it past the vetting process, but opted out at the last minute.

9/12/2008 10:34:47 PM

Quote :

"his statement: the Bush Doctrine originally was missile defense shield Me: NO it never was "

i'll take a play from your own playbook nutsucker, YES IT WAS. learn to read.

9/12/2008 10:36:13 PM

probably a good choice.

http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2001/03/05/doctrine.html

Quote :

"This was the genesis of the Bush Doctrine, now taking shape as the Administration takes power. Its motto is, We build to suit--ourselves. Accordingly, the President and the Secretary of Defense have been unequivocal about their determination to go ahead with a missile defense. "

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ouch. fucking pwnt]

9/12/2008 10:36:28 PM

holy shit, anyone watching this Palin interview? She's a complete idiot. She doesn't know how to answer a question.

9/12/2008 10:42:01 PM

so, care to talk about Obama's terrorist buddy or his corrupt deals on his highly-touted education commission, now that it's been proven the question was a setup?

hey, I hear Bristol's pregnant though. that's prolly more important

9/12/2008 10:42:34 PM

An op-ed writer coined a term for a pre-9/11 piece that didn't stick, and it's supposed to be a contestant to the official Bush Doctrine?

Here's a guy writing an op-ed about the "Clinton Doctrine," even though no such doctrine ever existed:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/19990419/klare

Likewise with Ford:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945540,00.html

It's a literary tool for op-ed writers, genius.


"Well that depends, Mr. Gibson. Are you referring to the 2001 op-ed piece, or the term used over and over and over by policy analysts for the past five years?"



[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:51 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 10:46:23 PM

you are going to dismiss Charles-fucking-Krauthammer? Really? really grasping now, aren't you?

How about Thomas Friedman?
http://web.radicalparty.org/pressreview/print_right.php?func=detail&par=692

Quote :

""Well that depends, Mr. Gibson. Are you referring to the 2001 op-ed piece, or the term used over and over and over by policy analysts for the past five years?""

And "in what respect" is not good enough? Nah, the best way to follow that is to say "You know, the Bush Doctrine." I mean really. It was a setup from square one.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 11:02 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2008 11:00:56 PM

This thread is hilarious. I'll be laughing all the way to Armageddon.

9/12/2008 11:46:29 PM

Right-wingers would like to think Obama is no better, but clearly there is now an established perception that the McCain-Palin campaign is full of double-speak:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_stretching_the_truth

9/12/2008 11:54:19 PM

burro if u talk about straws or fucking strawmen again, im going to burn every fucking scarecrow in north carolina, ur answers are worn out as shit

9/13/2008 12:00:54 AM

Quote :

"Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close. Summary Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." That's not true. Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S. Alaska's share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration. And if by "supply" Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska's production accounted for only 2.4 percent."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html

I mean, it's just another drop in the bucket. Who cares, right?

9/13/2008 12:07:35 AM

^^ hey, way to add to the topic here, man. It's OK, though. Your candidate is a worthless liar, so who really cares

^who cares that Obama hangs out with a guy who bombed the US Capitol, right? WHo cares that he gave money to politicians that was supposed to go to education. The real issue is that this dumb woman can't produce a History ID when given a vague term that has had several different definitions by the media

9/13/2008 2:39:21 AM

^ Palin is married to a guy who hated the US enough that he wanted Alaska to secede from it... isn't that in the same realm has knowing a guy who failed at blowing something up before you were born?

9/13/2008 2:47:22 AM

not really, given that Palin's husband never took up arms against the nation. It's one thing to say "this place sucks, let us leave." It's entirely another to say "this place sucks, I'm gonna blow it up. And on 9/11, I wish I had done more." Totally different, dude.

But hey, please, keep grasping at those fantastic straws.

9/13/2008 2:51:10 AM

Quote :

"It's one thing to say "this place sucks, let us leave." It's entirely another to say "this place sucks, I'm gonna blow it up. And on 9/11, I wish I had done more." Totally different, dude."

I guess you must hate our founding fathers then...?

9/13/2008 2:56:36 AM

The founding fathers basically did say "this place sucks, let us leave", though... Hell, that is practically a summary of the Declaration.

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 2:58 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2008 2:58:06 AM

Ummm. I seem to recall our founding fathers saying "this place sux. peace, we out." Then England brought in some troops and started shooting... What would you have them do, take the bullets and die?

man, those straws are getting good

9/13/2008 2:58:39 AM

History is written by the victors.

It's good to know though that you would embrace someone that hates the country, as long as they don't take arms against it.

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 3:05 AM. Reason : ]

9/13/2008 3:04:08 AM

apparently you hate your own country, then, as you would prefer that the founding fathers have died instead of defended themselves. good work, man.

9/13/2008 3:05:00 AM

What do you have against the land of you ancestors?

9/13/2008 3:07:42 AM

Quote :

"It's good to know though that you would embrace someone that hates the country, as long as they don't take arms against it."

Um... this isn't as unreasonable as you're trying to make it sound. I don't embrace the guy, but I also don't condemn his ideas. People are entitled to whatever views they choose to believe, so long as they do not choose to infringe the freedoms of others through aggressive means. Basic Libertarianism right there.

9/13/2008 3:07:57 AM

^ I don't know who you are, but burro certainly embraces the mccain-palin regime and her marriage to someone who hates America, while she was a leader.

9/13/2008 3:14:59 AM

and apparently you hate the founding fathers... what's the difference, mang

9/13/2008 3:18:26 AM

^^Yeah, I know. Personally Palin is the main reason I won't be voting McCain, but I felt like pointing out that there is absolutely nothing wrong, negative, or condemnable in simply wanting secession.

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 3:20 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2008 3:19:44 AM

^^ What's the difference?

The founding fathers died 200 years ago, where as Palin et al could possibly be running the country now.

^ Technically you are right, but do you honestly think most Republicans would feel that way in today's political climate, if it wasn't their own guy with those feelings? Could you imagine what they would say if Obama's spouse had called for secession?

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 3:23 AM. Reason : ]

9/13/2008 3:21:19 AM

Quote :

"but do you honestly think most Republicans would feel that way in today's political climate, if it wasn't their own guy with those feelings?"

No. Because I honestly think most Republicans aren't actual conservatives at all anymore. It's just liberal policies (legislation of morality on the social side, and I haven't really seen any comprehensive economic plan at all come from the neocons... whatever it is I wouldn't call it conservative economics) under the banner of fundamentalism and a cheer of "we want big government so long as we're the government"...

9/13/2008 3:27:42 AM

goddamn aaronburro is retarded

9/13/2008 4:18:34 AM

Here's the board Obama was on.

Quote :

"Board membership 2008 Laura S. Washington, Board Chair* - Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center Jesus G. Garcia, Vice Chair* - Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation William C. Ayers - Distinguished Professor of Education, University of Illinois at Chicago Lee Bey - Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP Doris Salomon Chagin - Category Manager - Ethnic Markets, BP Products North America Beth E. Richie - Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago Patrick M. Sheahan - Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank Charles N. Wheatley - President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc. Lucia Woods Lindley - Board Member Emeritus 2001 Howard J. Stanback - Board Chair - Manager, New Kenwood, LLC Maria G. Valdez - Board Vice Chair - Attorney-at-Law Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund William C. Ayers - Distinguished Professor Of Education, University Of Illinois At Chicago Cynthia M. Campbell - President, McCormick Theological Seminary R. Eden Martin - President, Civic Committee And The Commercial Club Barack Obama - State Legislator, University Of Chicago School Of Law, and Attorney at Law with Davis, Mine and Galland Suzanne Boyle, Board Treasurer Kristin Patton, Board Secretary"

What a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Obama needs to answer for being on an anti-poverty alliance that included a radical!

Get the heck over it. If you think it's fair to ask Obama about this garbage, but not ok to ask basic foriegn policy questions, then w/e.

9/13/2008 6:45:01 AM

Obama "I can guarantee that we are going to be hitting back hard ... but we're hitting back on the issues that matter to families."


I guess John McCains ability to send an email is what most american families talk about over dinner. LOL, what a joke.

9/13/2008 9:39:30 AM

I thought of a good question.

Obama is for clean energy. I'm sure he is happy go lucky for an efficient clean car (perhaps electric, perhaps hybrid with some different types of fuels, or both, heck maybe solar too who knows...)

Sooo.. my question is. Do you guys think that the first few companies who really break into this market heavily in the next 8 years are gonna make a massive profit from these technological breakthroughs???


If this company makes a massive breakthrough, do you think that these same companies making the massive profits should carry the corporate tax burden of paying for most of the health care system he will likely set up? Do you really want your money you're paying for your car to be eventually taxed to help pay for this stuff???

Or would you rather this money stay at the companies who make the cars, so that they can continue to grow and provide more HIGH PAYING JOBS for guys like us with engineering degrees? (sorry nutsmackr i guess that leaves you out still, keep bitching) And in turn provide the market with more minds to make competition abound and grow the technology even more???

Would you guys be in favor of this? Or would you rather Obama or a few guys on the hill redistribute the %50 tax they pay on profits to other companies to "level the playing field" for the weak and "minority" companies?

How would you feel if you made the next quantum leap in processing ability at Intel at 1/10 the cost and make record profits and be told that more than half of it will be taken from you? It really encourages innovation for the future doesn't it?

At least we'll all be equal though right? The guys who don't give a shit about work will have a level playing field with the great minds no? Gonna be awesome.

9/13/2008 9:39:59 AM

Unfair question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VWLhpsAYMk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJDEPlsThIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNmKat4RX-g

9/13/2008 9:42:37 AM

^thx for playing

every question asked there tipped them off about the part of PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE.

not that i expect you to be able to comprehend that fact. that's why palin simply asked "IN WHAT REGARD TO THE BUSH DOCTRINE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT?" "THE MISSILE SHEILD, WAR POLICIES, HOMELAND DEFENSE, CRACKING DOWN ON LOCAL TERRORISTS WITH ESPIONAGE??"

b/c their all included genius!!!!1111

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM. Reason : .]

9/13/2008 9:46:19 AM

No one uses such an esoteric term like BUsh Doctrine.

9/13/2008 9:47:19 AM

tell me whatcha gonna do with that

Major : LAH, LCW

after college? go work with the obama subcomittee for retards that don't care about facts??


it's so amazing how the worst tyrants and "almighty leaders" were so loved before they reaked destruction in the world.

Obama is TOO loved. by ppl like you. it isn't about electing somebody efficient for the job to take care of things. it really is about change this time for the liberals. you really are going to screw everything up.

9/13/2008 9:50:14 AM

How dare you expect a vice presidential candidate to watch the primary debates?!?

She's too busy defending us from Russia!

Quote :

"Obama is TOO loved. by ppl like you."

For all the overabundance of Obamalove out there, I can at least say that it's based on something other than partisanship. Why exactly do you love McCain, again?

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM. Reason : ,]

9/13/2008 9:51:15 AM

I guess you missed that part of me being an alumnus.

You've been thoroughly beaten, that is why you have to now try attacking my majors.

9/13/2008 9:52:30 AM

^^ her national security stance is quite a shocker compared to the obama "let anybody blame us for anything and take it up the ass from them" game.


big difference i understand your "USA #1" attitude now.

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM. Reason : ,]

9/13/2008 9:53:36 AM

Quote :

"You've been thoroughly beaten,"

hahahahahahahaa. i'll start talking about winning or defeat after you answer the questions. but you aren't even playing yet. lololol

here ya go:

Quote :

"Obama is for clean energy. I'm sure he is happy go lucky for an efficient clean car (perhaps electric, perhaps hybrid with some different types of fuels, or both, heck maybe solar too who knows...) Sooo.. my question is. Do you guys think that the first few companies who really break into this market heavily in the next 8 years are gonna make a massive profit from these technological breakthroughs??? If this company makes a massive breakthrough, do you think that these same companies making the massive profits should carry the corporate tax burden of paying for most of the health care system he will likely set up? Do you really want your money you're paying for your car to be eventually taxed to help pay for this stuff??? Or would you rather this money stay at the companies who make the cars, so that they can continue to grow and provide more HIGH PAYING JOBS for guys like us with engineering degrees? (sorry nutsmackr i guess that leaves you out still, keep bitching) And in turn provide the market with more minds to make competition abound and grow the technology even more??? Would you guys be in favor of this? Or would you rather Obama or a few guys on the hill redistribute the %50 tax they pay on profits to other companies to "level the playing field" for the weak and "minority" companies? How would you feel if you made the next quantum leap in processing ability at Intel at 1/10 the cost and make record profits and be told that more than half of it will be taken from you? It really encourages innovation for the future doesn't it? At least we'll all be equal though right? The guys who don't give a shit about work will have a level playing field with the great minds no? Gonna be awesome."

but who deals with such trivial nonsense such as company growth and jobs for students right??? no wonder obama will make college free! b/c their won't be anybody who goes! let alone gets a job after college!

[Edited on September 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM. Reason : s]

9/13/2008 9:54:39 AM