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"uniformed and scared"

did you mean "uniformed" for real, or did you mean uninformed?

1/10/2011 3:00:00 PM

In all honesty I meant uninformed and didn't catch the typo till later then left it cause I thought it was kind of funny (probably was too late to edit anyway).

1/10/2011 4:40:34 PM

Freudian slip...

1/12/2011 3:55:54 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/02/24/uk.assange.hearing/index.html?hpt=T2

2/24/2011 7:22:06 AM

i find it funny how long this thread has been dormant given the amount of news around wikileaks (swiss banking, splintering of the organization, bankruptcy, massive spending by wikileaks, etc)

it just goes to show that people don't really care for wikileaks or believe in their mission - they just like taking shots at the military and governmental leaders they don't like.

julian and wikileaks just happened to be a convenient vehicle to rally around when they needed something to pin their outrage to that could give a semblance of validity to their rants

[Edited on February 24, 2011 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2011 4:06:01 PM

or it's possible that the idea behind wikileaks is something people support but that assange and wikileaks in particular are not the best representatives of those ideals

2/24/2011 4:11:52 PM

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"it just goes to show that people don't really care for wikileaks or believe in their mission - they just like taking shots at the military and governmental leaders they don't like. "

I don't care for wikileaks at all. I do care about the rampant corruption in our government and how the US media became the US governments favorite little lapdog during this whole thing.

2/24/2011 4:17:12 PM

^wait, if the media dropped the ball on being a reliable check to government corruption, then shouldn't you support wikileaks? they're doing exactly what the media is too afraid to do.

2/24/2011 4:24:52 PM

All European nations refuse to extradite prisoners to barbaric countries that slay the condemned, so at least the US will have to promise not to execute him in order to get Sweden to hand him over. Of course the US could always change its mind once they have him, and our prisons can be worse than death. Either way Assange is fucked. His best bet is suicide while it's still possible, the only relief possible from tyrannical governments other than revolution.

2/24/2011 6:47:03 PM

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"wait, if the media dropped the ball on being a reliable check to government corruption, then shouldn't you support wikileaks? they're doing exactly what the media is too afraid to do. "

The media didn't drop the ball they actively contributed to government corruption. Just because wikileaks attempted to do something that I agree with doesn't mean I support what they are. Hell I imagine even sarah palin has done something in her life I agree with however I still think she is an ignorant piece of shit.

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" All European nations refuse to extradite prisoners to barbaric countries that slay the condemned, so at least the US will have to promise not to execute him in order to get Sweden to hand him over. Of course the US could always change its mind once they have him, and our prisons can be worse than death. Either way Assange is fucked. His best bet is suicide while it's still possible, the only relief possible from tyrannical governments other than revolution."

or one of our wonderful "patriots" will take matters into their own hands...

3/1/2011 3:11:18 PM

http://www.salon.com/news/pentagon/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/04/morrell

3/4/2011 5:20:22 PM

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"A lawyer for Pfc. Bradley Manning, the Army intelligence analyst accused of leaking secret government files to WikiLeaks, has complained that his client was stripped and left naked in his cell for seven hours on Wednesday. . . . The soldier's clothing was returned to him Thursday morning, after he was required to stand naked outside his cell during an inspection. . . . First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning's clothing taken from him."

Death To America

3/4/2011 9:59:24 PM

Anonymous is planning attacks on anyone involved in Manning's arrest and detention, including an anti-military PR campaign.

The military has announced that Manning's clothes will be taken every night from now on. This is the same torture used on prisoners of Abu Ghraib.

[Edited on March 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM. Reason : .]

3/5/2011 11:22:38 AM

Their reasoning for taking off his clothes as a "suicide prevention" technique is ridiculous in and of itself. No one should be treated so poorly that they are at high risk of committing suicide, especially someone who has not been fucking convicted of anything.

3/5/2011 12:37:54 PM

At least with Abu Ghraib you could make the (tenuous) argument about furthering interrogations.

This just seems baleful and vindictive.

3/5/2011 2:47:10 PM

seems?

3/5/2011 2:50:03 PM

Is there any way that we can help Bradley Manning?

3/5/2011 2:52:31 PM

Remember this. A vote for Obama is a vote for torture, as is a vote for any Republican. If they'll do it to Manning, they'll do it to you. Abstain in 2012.

But Manning will be dead by then. Nothing short of violent revolution in the American streets can save him.

3/5/2011 5:24:43 PM

It all makes me very sad.

There will be no revolution. There will be no protests. The public craves executions like this. He will die like the rosenbergs, and the people will cheer. The wars will continue. The abuse will spread to other citizens. We've already missed our opportunity to change course. Politics offers no way to change our path. The tea party was the only movement that even suggested reigning in the military, and it has failed.

There is nothing I can do to help him.

3/5/2011 6:14:14 PM

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"My hands are tied The billions shift from side to side And the wars go on with brainwashed pride For the love of God and our human rights And all these things are swept aside By bloody hands time can't deny And are washed away by your genocide And history hides the lies of our civil wars"

3/6/2011 2:12:57 AM

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"The tea party was the only movement that even suggested reigning in the military"

srsly?

3/6/2011 9:41:54 PM

$5 says neither Assange or Manning are dead by the 2012 election

3/7/2011 1:23:26 AM

^$5 says manning probably already wishes he was dead. $5 also says you don't really understand the significance of what is happening here.

3/7/2011 7:53:37 AM

Has anyone in congress made a statement of support for Manning? I'd be interested to know.

3/7/2011 8:06:15 AM

^ Kucinich is the only one that comes to mind, I think he even tried to visit Manning but was denied access.

[Edited on March 7, 2011 at 11:00 AM. Reason : not sure if he has actually shown support, or just anger at detention conditions]

3/7/2011 10:58:44 AM

I thought Ron Paul did as well.

3/7/2011 12:17:41 PM

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"you don't really understand the significance of what is happening here."

and what would that be?

3/7/2011 3:04:05 PM

^ US media assisting the government in discrediting wikileaks (denying that wikileaks offered the government a chance to redact documents to protect national security however the US media was actually the intermediary for this exchange), obfuscating information revealed by wikileaks (NYT missile story omitting key information) in order to promote an environment of fear and misunderstanding, Sweden acting as a US lapdog in order to discredit, capture and deliver Assange, and finally Bradley Mannings possible mistreatment.

All of these things are fairly indicative of a government with a scary level of influence and indicate that high level corruption could be a serious issue for the government.

Do you think anyone would have any interest in exposing further government corruption after witnessing this? Whistleblowing in the US government has been effectively stopped by trumpeting the cause of "national security".

3/8/2011 12:24:27 PM

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"Their reasoning for taking off his clothes as a "suicide prevention" technique is ridiculous in and of itself. No one should be treated so poorly that they are at high risk of committing suicide, especially someone who has not been fucking convicted of anything."

I'm not sure this is a reasonable assessment of suicide prevention in general. You don't have to be treated exceptionally badly in jail or prison to want to off yourself. Shit, I've got a relative who had to be put on it a few times, and he only had to go in on the weekends.

3/8/2011 5:48:41 PM

Assange may be the greatest hero ever.






non-violent free speech activism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government secrecy

3/8/2011 6:00:15 PM

^^ I see no indication of Manning being suicidal before his incarceration so your analogy of a relative being put on suicide watch is meaningless.

3/9/2011 9:21:40 AM

Files on most of Guantanamo leaked yesterday...

TIL: The supposed "mastermind" that played the biggest role in financing and carrying out 911 got a mechanical engineering degree from NC A&T

Some interesting reads...sucks that I stumbled across them on a day that's 85 and sunny...

4/25/2011 12:40:21 PM

I don't think Guantanamo should be preventing suicides.

4/25/2011 1:18:23 PM

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"I see no indication of Manning being suicidal before his incarceration so your analogy of a relative being put on suicide watch is meaningless."

Just saw this for whatever reason. My relative -- who I probably know better than you know Manning -- also showed no signs of being suicidal before incarceration. My only point was that being in any jail environment is going to seriously ratchet up the stress level. For some people that will put them over the edge.

I've no idea whether Manning is suicidal. They may just be fucking with him. But it does not follow that he could only become suicidal if they were treating him especially badly.

4/25/2011 3:09:32 PM

Considering that prison psychiatrists, Manning himself, and Manning's lawyer all acknowledge that he wasn't a danger to himself I think the evidence is pretty damning.

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"Sixteen separate entries made from 27 August until the records stop on 28 January show that Manning was evaluated by prison psychiatrists who found he was not a danger to himself and should be removed from the PoI order."

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" Manning writes that he believes the suicide watch was imposed not because he was a danger to himself but as retribution for a protest about his treatment held outside Quantico the day before. Immediately before the suicide watch started, he said guards verbally harassed him, taunting him with conflicting orders."

Really sounds like the guards were concerned with his welfare doesn't it?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/11/stripped-naked-bradley-manning-prison

I can't believe anyone is still attempting to defend how Manning is being treated. Fucking ridiculous.

^ The fact that your relative had to be put on suicide watch has NO BEARING on this situation. The evidence presented pretty clearly shows that Bradley Manning was put on suicide watch in order to torture not because he was suicidal (even the prison psychiatrists agree). Your relative was put on suicide watch because there was evidence that he was suicidal.



[Edited on April 25, 2011 at 4:46 PM. Reason : For GOP]

4/25/2011 4:40:28 PM

I'm not defending Manning's treatment, I just don't give a shit. Awww, he is in solitary confinement 23 hours a day and his blankets aren't soft enough? Tough shit. People are dying all over the world. Way too much hand-wringing has already been spent on the little gay kid.

4/25/2011 4:54:36 PM

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"The fact that your relative had to be put on suicide watch has NO BEARING on this situation."

It was never intended to have bearing on Manning's treatment in particular. It was mentioned in response to a specific statement:

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"No one should be treated so poorly that they are at high risk of committing suicide, especially someone who has not been fucking convicted of anything."

-adultswim

You seem to think I'm saying, "Well my relative was on suicide watch so clearly Manning is suicidal." No.

My original point to that was and is that a person who is put in jail or prison doesn't have to be treated so badly to be at risk of committing suicide. My clarifying point earlier today was that you also don't have to have a previously demonstrated risk of suicidal behavior. It turns out that a sane person put into normal prison environments might begin legitimate suicidal behavior.

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I'm in favor of giving the little bitch his pants back until we can hang him for treason.

4/25/2011 5:05:11 PM

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"Awww, he is in solitary confinement 23 hours a day and his blankets aren't soft enough? Tough shit. People are dying all over the world. Way too much hand-wringing has already been spent on the little gay kid."

^so torture is ok just so long as you don't think it is too bad? What is happening here is wrong and a blatant abuse of power but I guess it serves our corporate leaders ends so we should all embrace it. Patriotism yay!

^I get your point and agree however that is hardly relevant to the topic being discussed. You aren't even trying to argue that Manning is suicidal just pointing out one person's inaccuracies?

4/25/2011 6:43:37 PM

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"I'm in favor of giving the little bitch his pants back until we can hang him for treason."

How about we hang you corporate loyalists instead?

4/25/2011 6:55:51 PM

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"You aren't even trying to argue that Manning is suicidal just pointing out one person's inaccuracies?"

A person said a thing and I responded to it. Have you never been in a forum before?

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"How about we hang you corporate loyalists instead?"

You people would have to get willing to do some hanging first. As things stand, the worst you can threaten us with is years of polite psychiatric and neurological evaluations to figure out why we're so evil.

4/25/2011 7:11:38 PM

I actually am very strongly in favor of the death penalty (I think it should be applied to political corruption too).

4/25/2011 8:06:40 PM

While I'm glad to hear that, I must confess that comment related specifically to McDanger and comments that he's previously made regarding the death penalty. These ended up taking a tack that we should use bad people for medical research to figure out why they're bad. (Although he might call that a gross characterization. It's all good, I'm not really a corporate slave either )

[Edited on April 25, 2011 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2011 8:11:56 PM

smc's reddit account exposed!
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/gxmel/poor_pentagon/

4/26/2011 11:13:13 AM

Apparently a released Gitmo detainee is now a leader in the libyan revolution. We can't be having that. Better execute the rest of 'em.

4/27/2011 10:30:45 AM

Manning has been in jail for a year now without trial.

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 9:50 AM. Reason : correction...1 week from a year]

5/19/2011 9:30:47 AM

I'm not sure if the info in this video is new or old, but, damn, Bradley Manning liked him some Abercrombie and Fitch.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/wikileaks/

5/25/2011 12:10:40 AM

Political prisoner, house arrest for nearly a year, still no criminal charges. Same as China:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCNzU3u7G3o

6/16/2011 8:48:50 PM

Wikileaks put out a promotional advertisement addressing the visa/mastercard/paypal donation blockage. Slightly amusing.

http://vimeo.com/wikileaks/masterleaks

6/28/2011 11:12:36 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08/31/wikileaks.security.lapse/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Some full, unfiltered cables make their way online.

9/1/2011 11:39:55 AM

woopsi

9/1/2011 11:56:10 AM