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" i probably shouldn't have phrased it like that, i just mean in contrast to the all-time greats. he's a great coach, no doubt, but i always hear him talked about from talking heads like he's in the same league as wooden, k, dean, etc. his teams tend to slump every few years too (NIT vs NCAA), so consistency isn't his strong suit. guy's a hall of famer though, no question "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Boeheim#Accomplishments

3/14/2011 1:45:58 PM

I'm not sure if this has been discussed on here, but I thought I would mention to see if anyone else had heard it.

One of my professors is a big college basketball fan and has some mutal friends with a few ACC coaches and is actually friends with Bobby Cremins. He claims it is a well known fact among college coaches that no one wants to work under Debbie Yow. Yow was hired the same day as Skip Prosser's funeral and Gary Williams allegedly said that if he wasn't at the funeral it would be the happiest day of his life because we had taken Yow away from Maryland.

This is all hearsay, but I usually trust the things that this professor says and he isn't really prone to making things up whole cloth. He seems to think that as long as we have Yow, we won't be able to attract top coaching talent.

Anyone else heard this?

3/14/2011 1:46:00 PM

Boeheim is second-tier all-time

Roy is fourth-tier

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BREAKING NEWS GARY WILLIAMS DOESN'T LIKE DEBBIE YOW

GREAT SCOOP, KID

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 1:47 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 1:46:01 PM

i agree about boeheim, but i still don't want you to tell me who you think would be a good coach for our team.

3/14/2011 1:47:09 PM

debbie yow's reputation may play a part in this search.

She is known to be a micromanager and difficult to work for. We'll see what happens i guess

3/14/2011 1:47:49 PM

Sidney Lowe is the guy holding the ladder

3/14/2011 1:47:59 PM

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"Yow was hired the same day as Skip Prosser's funeral and Gary Williams allegedly said that if he wasn't at the funeral it would be the happiest day of his life because we had taken Yow away from Maryland."

this is the dumbest fucking thing I have read in a long, long time

congrats

3/14/2011 1:48:06 PM

^^^^^ The point was that it is a common sentiment among most college coaches, not just Williams.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 1:48 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 1:48:19 PM

next time say that you heard it in an exclusive email chain and people will be more inclined to believe it.

3/14/2011 1:48:56 PM

You should probably tell your professor friend that Debbie Yow was hired three years after Prosser died

3/14/2011 1:50:42 PM

lol

3/14/2011 1:51:51 PM

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"Anyone else heard this?"

nnnnnope.

3/14/2011 1:53:02 PM

That was my one attempt at posting this year.

It's time to go back to lurking.

3/14/2011 1:53:14 PM

Herb Sendek was fired on D-Day

3/14/2011 1:53:45 PM

In all seriousness, Debbie does have the rep of being a micromanager and i also wonder how many coaches will want to work for a woman. (Hate to say it, but it's true)

The best thing about Yow is that she holds people accountable, though. (Which is partially why she has the 'hard to work for rep') Even if Yow does have a bad rep in some coaching circles, she's 10x better than what we had and she seems competent in what she's doing.

She also used to be a bball coach and knows the game well...I think/hope that'll translate into a good hire whoever that may be.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 1:57:12 PM

You know who doesn't mind working for a female AD

3/14/2011 2:03:50 PM

new super secret short list released:

1. Mike Brey
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Pat Summit

3/14/2011 2:05:06 PM

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"In all seriousness, Debbie does have the rep of being a micromanager and i also wonder how many coaches will want to work for a woman. (Hate to say it, but it's true) "

come on. these are professionals we're talking about

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"She also used to be a bball coach and knows the game well...I think/hope that'll translate into a good hire whoever that may be."

not the strongest point to make considering that tall mustachioed gentleman who used to be our AD was a bball coach in a previous life

3/14/2011 2:06:57 PM

You can say all you want about Debbie Yow, but I know I would love to work for a boss that is as open as she is about expectations and offers to get you what you need. If someone is scared to work for her because she holds them accountable, fuck them...they need to be held accountable.

The lady is an open book and whichever coach we get will receive every resource they need to make something happen from her and our chancellor.

3/14/2011 2:08:11 PM

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"not the strongest point to make considering that tall mustachioed gentleman who used to be our AD was a bball coach in a previous life "

Funny, becuase after I posted that I went outside and realized Fowler was a bball coach, too

Kinda takes the credibility away from that thought

3/14/2011 2:13:25 PM

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"i agree about boeheim, but i still don't want you to tell me who you think would be a good coach for our team."

i assume that's directed at me. don't know what to tell ya playa

3/14/2011 2:38:00 PM

yeah, directed at you.

it's just condescending, so fuck you.

3/14/2011 2:44:41 PM

i'm really not trying to be. just sitting in class bored and felt like contributing

3/14/2011 2:46:56 PM

The 'Sidney Lowe Show' must go on

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"By Joe Ovies Updated 18 minutes ago 9commentsPOST VIEW Sidney Lowe's departure from NC State has become a matter of when, and how, rather than if. While it seems everyone has the inside scoop as to what is going on, athletic director Debbie Yow doesn't appear concerned with throwing meat into the Wolfpack rumor grind. That's why tonight will be business as usual. The "Sidney Lowe Show" will air live from Crabtree Valley Mall on 99.9 FM The Fan and other affiliates at 7 p.m., Monday. Yow is certainly taking an interesting approach. Georgia Tech, Oklahoma and others are filling up headlines after purging their coaches. But none of those schools are in a situation like NC State. The national folks are just waiting for a green light to fill up column space with cliches about the Wolfpack job or "I told you so" about Herb Sendek. Put yourself in Yow's position. While the main goal is to hire the right basketball coach, there is a perception battle that needs to be won on multiple fronts. From how to handle Lowe's dismissal to how long the coach search takes, it matters. The amount of time in-between the firing and hiring is crucial. Don't believe me? Rewind to the Lee Fowler led search and see how that time frame worked out. "

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/9267732/

3/14/2011 2:46:56 PM

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"The best thing about Yow is that she holds people accountable, though. (Which is partially why she has the 'hard to work for rep')"

Based on the things I've heard, and who I've heard them from, that is the case. She expects things to be done a certain way, like deadlines are deadlines, doesn't matter who you are. An attitude like that, gets a woman called a bitch.

3/14/2011 3:14:35 PM

what about anthony grant? i think he'll be a hot commodity in another couple years. not sure what his contract at alabama is like though

3/14/2011 3:20:04 PM

pretty sure grant has a huge contract & buyout.

same with Fox at UGA. not sure of grant's, but Fox' buyout is like $2 mil

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 3:43:03 PM

Just throwing this out there, but does anyone see a situation where Lowe stays on as an assistant of some kind? Not sure if there's precedent for that happening, or that it would even be something Yow would consider, but Lowe did have some success in the NBA as an assistant.

3/14/2011 3:45:19 PM

that would depend on the coach. Coaches pick assistants, you cant force one on them. It's more likely he's offered a position in the athletics dept, but not sure he'd accept.

IMO, he'll go back to the NBA


[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 3:47:45 PM

^^ sigh

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ^]

3/14/2011 3:48:21 PM

^^^Lowe would be better off going to the NBA and taking an assistant position...more money, and less awkward. I like Lowe, but his time here is up. It'd be best for everyone involved for State and Lowe to go their separate ways

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 4:02:43 PM

^^^^That's been in the rumor mill for a few weeks. Some say that the department is negotiating a graceful resignation or reassignment into the athletic department. The reasoning behind it is Lowe's importance to NC State's basketball history...like, back in '83, not now

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"If someone is scared to work for her because she holds them accountable, fuck them...they need to be held accountable."

That's what I think. If a coach can't handle working for a bitch, then what are we to expect out of the team? We would get Butch fucking Davis over here for a basketball coach.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM. Reason : lkj]

3/14/2011 4:04:47 PM

I'd be really happy with Shaka Smart, and you should too.

- super smart guy
- tenacious defense
- tourney experience at each level he's coached at
- has accomplished a lot before the age of 33, and probably hasn't met his ceiling yet

Mike Anderson would have been great, but from the sound of things, Smart plays a similar style.

3/14/2011 4:11:20 PM

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"Just throwing this out there, but does anyone see a situation where Lowe stays on as an assistant of some kind? Not sure if there's precedent for that happening, or that it would even be something Yow would consider, but Lowe did have some success in the NBA as an assistant. "

no. it'd be like firing the president of the company and offering him the opportunity to be the new guy's secretary.

if lowe didnt' have the opportunity to make $oklahoma in the NBA then I could MAYBE see him being moved to a non-coaching role in the athletic department.

3/14/2011 4:13:39 PM

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"Coach Shaka Smart developed a love for quotes at Kenyon College. Smart began writing down quotes into a word document that is now over 110 pages long. "

wat

3/14/2011 4:14:34 PM

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"Mike Anderson would have been great, but from the sound of things, Smart plays a similar style."

The difference being Missouri plays great defense, VCU does not.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : offensively they're really not that similar either so I don't get the comparison]

3/14/2011 4:16:51 PM

Lets get a white coach. Most of the best coaches are white.

3/14/2011 4:21:27 PM

^^They're both black

3/14/2011 4:22:30 PM

3/14/2011 4:29:32 PM

The top dozen college coaches are white.

That's no coincidence.

3/14/2011 4:31:52 PM

i laffed

3/14/2011 4:32:34 PM

Bob Huggins dresses like an old black guy

That's pretty close

3/14/2011 4:34:01 PM

Georgetown is the highest seeded team with a black coach at 6

3/14/2011 4:38:11 PM

Quote :

"I'd be really happy with Shaka Smart, and you should too. - super smart guy - tenacious defense - tourney experience at each level he's coached at - has accomplished a lot before the age of 33, and probably hasn't met his ceiling yet Mike Anderson would have been great, but from the sound of things, Smart plays a similar style. "

There are quite a few mid majors I'd look at before Smart. I've watched his teams, I wasn't that impressed.

And they do NOT play tenacious defense....maybe under Grant

And where else has he coached at (At least as a head coach)?


FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE G FGM FGA Pct
1. Drexel 31 652 1630 .400
2. Old Dominion 33 695 1720 .404
3. Georgia State 31 627 1548 .405
4. George Mason 32 706 1736 .407
5. Delaware 31 711 1684 .422
6. James Madison 32 745 1752 .425
7. William & Mary 32 782 1806 .433
8. UNC Wilmington 31 750 1728 .434
9. Hofstra 32 788 1798 .438
10. VCU 34 837 1851 .452
11. Northeastern 31 751 1584 .474
12. Towson 30 825 1698 .486

They're also 7th in scoring defense

Tenacious, yo

He's in what...year 3? Taking over a very successful program from Grant. No way in hell we hire him.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 4:42:04 PM

I believe VCU is his first head coaching job. He's coached as an assistant at Cal, Akron, Clemson and Florida, was director of basketball operations at Dayton.

3/14/2011 4:45:52 PM

VCU is 143rd in the country in defensive efficiency, State is 144th

3/14/2011 4:48:56 PM

If we go with the unproven mid major, my pick is Cuonzo Martin.

A lot of people like Chris Mooney, but I'm not sure how much I can handle that offense

Cuonzo is a Keady disciple.... those have historically turned out pretty well, although he's really green as a head coach. Done a good job thus far, though

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:50 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 4:49:40 PM

Cuonzo runs a slower offense than Herb, btw

3/14/2011 4:52:36 PM

I've seen bits and pieces of them play, and it didn't look overly slow.

What do they run?

Google searching says they rank 2nd in scoring offense in thier conference....but 9th in scoring defense.


Ugh

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2011 4:53:56 PM

The lack of leaked information is annoying.

Either nothing is happening or they are keeping an impressive lid on this whole situation.

3/14/2011 6:10:42 PM