4/12/2016 4:04:23 PM

Bruce Springsteen: i thought it was illegal to deny service to people based on their lifestyle choices. we learned this with the wedding cakes and whatnot. he will surely have to go to court and pay big fines right?

4/12/2016 7:13:30 PM

apples != asbestos

4/12/2016 7:34:00 PM

He really needs to cut back on the Mr. Burns fingers.

4/12/2016 9:26:51 PM

I haven't logged into tww in a few years. But when I heard this:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/11/xhamstercom-porn-site-blocks-north-carolina-users-/

I was concerned twwers weren't getting enough porn. Is everyone doing alright?

4/12/2016 9:56:22 PM

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"He really needs to cut back on the Mr. Burns fingers. "

4/12/2016 10:06:02 PM

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"apples != asbestos"

how is selling wedding cakes to the public significantly different than selling concert tickets to the public?

4/13/2016 7:46:32 AM

Look, it is pretty basic.

You have a skill that you market to the public. Either you're a baker, making cakes, or a singer, making music. Each is a specific skillset that you use to make money and sell to people. If you aren't allowed to restrict who you market your bakery skill to, then you shouldn't be allowed to restrict who you market your music making skill to.

And besides, those people who bought his tickets, many probably don't even have an opinion on the matter, so why make them suffer to make a point?

Here's why, it was probably a half-sold out show and wasn't worth his time to come, so he just used this as an excuse to cancel.

The bakers were standing on their principles, and Bruce is standing on his. You either allow both or disallow both.

4/13/2016 10:18:29 AM

have you ever heard the term "protected class?" springsteen didn't discriminate against a protected class.

4/13/2016 10:21:24 AM

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"You have a skill that you market to the public. Either you're a baker, making cakes, or a singer, making music. Each is a specific skillset that you use to make money and sell to people. If you aren't allowed to restrict who you market your bakery skill to, then you shouldn't be allowed to restrict who you market your music making skill to."

this is next-level dumb for so many reasons. it's kind of impressive how dumb it is.

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"Here's why, it was probably a half-sold out show and wasn't worth his time to come, so he just used this as an excuse to cancel."

why do you say things like this when the answer is something you can easily look up?

[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

4/13/2016 10:41:00 AM

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"how is selling wedding cakes to the public significantly different than selling concert tickets to the public?"

Because the baker is refusing service based on sexual orientation of the individual consumer, and Bruce cancelled his show based on the actions of the state's legislative bodies.

You make the dumbest GOTCHA comparisons and fail nearly every time. A+ for perseverance tho ya big dummy.

4/13/2016 10:48:04 AM

he also allowed the tickets to be purchased and refunded those who bought the tickets fully

which is not even close to refusing a service

at the very least I hope rjrumfel reads the logic provided to him on a regular basis and it maybe causes him to think differently

4/13/2016 10:54:28 AM

More than 15,000 tickets had been sold at the time he cancelled (which was about a week before the concert, so more definitely would have been sold). The coliseum holds 23,000. Everyone that purchased tickets online has already been refunded.

4/13/2016 11:50:22 AM

I doubt they'd sell much more than 15,000 for a concert in that arena

4/13/2016 11:53:04 AM

Probably true.

I think it's silly to assume that he cancelled the show due to low ticket sales and used BH2 as an excuse. Or that PayPal (or the other companies) didn't want to come to NC in the first place and are using this as an excuse.

I also think it's silly to point to PayPal and others that do business in other countries that deny rights to homosexuals or others and say it's hypocritical that they won't do business in North Carolina. Places in the United States are held to a higher standard, and there are plenty of other states to choose from that don't have backwards laws.

[Edited on April 13, 2016 at 12:09 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2016 12:08:32 PM

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"I think it's silly to assume that he cancelled the show due to low ticket sales and used BH2 as an excuse. Or that PayPal (or the other companies) didn't want to come to NC in the first place and are using this as an excuse."

That's just rjrumfel being rjrumfel.

4/13/2016 12:16:29 PM

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"The Durham Bulls baseball team is one of those organizations, releasing an official statement Tuesday. "HB2 is unnecessary, ill-conceived and furthers discrimination. We encourage the full repeal of HB2. The Durham Bulls are proud to be part of this diverse, inclusive community."

4/13/2016 1:42:01 PM

Add Boston to the list

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""Human rights are more important," Boston founder Tom Scholz wrote in a statement. "HB2 has the appearance of an oppressive discriminatory law against a small minority who already have to deal with a narrow-minded world regarding issues beyond their control which they did nothing to bring upon themselves. Other aspects of the new law arguably encourage bigotry. With thousands of fans in attendance at our shows, it is likely that some members of our audience and/or their loved ones are affected on a daily basis by this ugly expression of intolerance." Read more at http://www.wral.com/more-than-a-feeling-boston-offended-by-hb2-cancels-nc-concerts/15649271/#0s88RaY8U30A2cds.99"

4/18/2016 2:53:38 PM

kind of surprised it took Pearl Jam this long

maybe that's what they're going for, though

4/18/2016 5:50:22 PM

Kind of shitty of them to do it 2 days before the show and not weeks when they found out it passed...48 hours beforehand is kind of fucked up.

4/18/2016 7:06:50 PM

Maybe they tried to give it as much time as possible to see if the legislature would repeal the bill. Sounds like the NBA might be leaning in that direction in the sense that they're waiting for things to play out but may ultimately make a decision when they approach the 'point of no return'.

4/18/2016 7:23:21 PM

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"I also think it's silly to point to PayPal and others that do business in other countries that deny rights to homosexuals or others and say it's hypocritical that they won't do business in North Carolina. "

regardless of how you feel about this issue... that's pretty much the definition of hypocrisy

4/18/2016 9:32:03 PM

yeah but people don't use the same glossary anymore

first you have to hash out what a word means, if you can get people to agree on that word then maybe you can have a discussion

4/18/2016 9:52:11 PM

^^ when did PayPal say they wouldn't do business in NC? I thought they were cancelling expansion plans. As far as I know they are still accepting payment transactions and processing CCs for NC businesses/consumers.

4/18/2016 10:21:47 PM

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"I also think it's silly to point to PayPal and others that do business in other countries that deny rights to homosexuals or others and say it's hypocritical that they won't do business in North Carolina. "

How is that "silly"? It's absolute blatant hypocrisy. It's "silly" to not point that out.

It's liberalism 101... virtue signaling. "Look how much we care"... unless, ofcourse, actual effort is required on our part to show how much we care. If there is an actual cost for defending these "deeply held" liberal "values", then fuck it... however if you're telling me changing my profile picture filter and tweeting a hashtag makes it look like I care and gives me an unmerited sense of morale superiority, then fuck yea. As long as I don't actually have to do anything.

We only will act on our "values" to the extent that it is convenient for us with good publicity. As long as a lot of people see us do it, and as long as what we "do" requires nothing from us, and as long as we can condescendingly label other people as "racist/bigots/homophobes"... sign me up!!! #IStandWithVirtueSignaling

4/19/2016 12:29:52 AM

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"regardless of how you feel about this issue... that's pretty much the definition of hypocrisy"

no, no it's not

4/19/2016 12:41:20 AM

Paypal claims the law violates the "values and principles" that are at the core of PayPal's mission and culture. They then go on a virtue signaling rant for publicity. Gullible liberals eat it up. Meanwhile PayPal expands to places like Yemen and Cuba... I'm sure they will make such a brave stand for social justice when gays are executed there...

"Do as I say, not as I do" #Liberals

Not to mention, under the current law PayPal is protesting, they could still implement their own bathroom policies. Not that any of the SJW's actually read the bill or anything... why bother actually reading it when HuffPost can give you a sparknotes version of what to be outraged by.

4/19/2016 12:53:56 AM

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"have you ever heard the term "protected class?" springsteen didn't discriminate against a protected class. "

Religion is a protected class, what kind of compromise can there be between those with religious objections and new social norms of behavior that has been rejected by religion for centuries?

4/19/2016 8:40:45 AM

lol, Bruce Springsteen isn't discriminating against any religious class you nitwit



[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 9:04 AM. Reason : holy church of the separate bathrooms that can only pray at concerts]

4/19/2016 8:50:00 AM

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"holy church of the separate bathrooms that can only pray at concerts"

sounds like the next place for the flying spaghetti monster folks to head to now that a federal judged has ruled it isn't a real religion

4/19/2016 9:29:15 AM

I see lots of my contemporaries complaining on facebook, most of whom don't vote, about the cancelled concert... they seem to be missing the point Pearl Jam's trying to make, that if young people voted, maybe we wouldn't have these prejudiced, backwards politicians passing dumb laws like this.

Isn't this the essence of states' rights? I know i've seen people argue on here that the states are supposed to be different, each like an experiment for new ideas, that then other states will adopt. Seems like NC tried a new idea, and the rest of the country thinks it's a dumb idea, and we're dealing with the consequences. Isn't this what's supposed to happen...?

4/19/2016 11:26:47 AM

while it may not be illegal, i still contend Pearl Jam are being hypocrites by denying service to only a certain group of people. they are basically making north carolinians ride in the back of the bus

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : be]

4/19/2016 11:44:37 AM

Yes, a Pearl Jam concert being cancelled is just like legal segregation. Salient point.

4/19/2016 11:49:34 AM

so are they attempting humor or are they really just this dumb and unable to think critically?

4/19/2016 11:51:30 AM

It's funny to me that this law is not even close to what conservatism is supposed to be. It's a big (in this case) state power grab. It's the antithesis of what real conservatism would want.

But Republican so good or something.

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 12:00 PM. Reason : X]

4/19/2016 12:00:14 PM

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"i still contend Pearl Jam are being hypocrites by denying service to only a certain group of people. they are basically making north carolinians ride in the back of the bus"

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"You make the dumbest GOTCHA comparisons and fail nearly every time. A+ for perseverance tho ya big dummy."

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ^^ the latter, I'm afraid. ]

4/19/2016 12:19:35 PM

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"no, no it's not"

how is it not hypocrisy?

"i'll do business with people A that have laws against X. i won't do business with people B because they they made a law against X."

this isn't complicated. PayPal et al are all on board with making a social statement, but only when it's convenient to do so. if their hearts really bled for these issues they wouldn't do business in these other countries, as well as north carolina.

4/19/2016 12:22:52 PM

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"while it may not be illegal, i still contend Pearl Jam are being hypocrites by denying service to only a certain group of people. they are basically making north carolinians ride in the back of the bus "

I see where you're trying to go, but "north carolina" isn't a group of people with coherent characteristics, we're just people that live within an arbitrary boundary that share political representatives. If they said "christians can't come to our show" or "no republicans allowed" or something, you'd have a point.

They're trying to compel individuals to send a message to politicians. Their intention is political protest. It's not dissimilar from performers back in the days not performing at venues that were segregated, it just happens that it's not just venues, but our entire state government that is trying to marginalize a minority group.

4/19/2016 12:33:52 PM

^^ they still do business in North Carolina

and concessions are made when doing business in other countries with different cultures/values all of the time. holding the US to higher standards than countries with deplorable human rights records shouldn't be that difficult of a concept to grasp

4/19/2016 1:16:10 PM

this is like your mom punishing you for not doing your chores, and then you arguing that its not fair because your little brother/sister didn't do their chores, but your little brother/sister is 15 months old

4/19/2016 1:23:49 PM

Federal appeals court sides with transgendered teen, says public school bathroom discrimination case can go forward

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-appeals-court-sides-with-trangender-teen-says-bathroom-case-can-go-forward/2016/04/19/6a873b88-f76b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html?tid=sm_tw

4/19/2016 2:00:06 PM

^^ It's like exaggerating and fabricating "rape culture" statistics to tell women they are victims, then telling women they are Xenophobic when the rape comes from Syrian Migrants.

4/19/2016 2:16:20 PM

k

4/19/2016 2:21:29 PM

Of all the things that happen in politics these days, I find conservatives getting their panties in a wad when the free market punishes their efforts among the most amusing

4/19/2016 3:18:04 PM

Pearl Jam probably just had bad ticket sales and are using this as a convenient excuse to cancel.

4/19/2016 3:32:18 PM

Whats the big whoop? Pearl Jam sucks ass

4/19/2016 3:53:29 PM

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"this is like your mom punishing you for not doing your chores, and then you arguing that its not fair because your little brother/sister didn't do their chores, but your little brother/sister is 15 months old "

except that countries like cuba and saudi arabia aren't "15 months old" - they have no good excuse for imprisoning, torturing, or executing people because they're LGBTQ. paypal knows exactly what they're doing and it's the one thing they care about at the end of the day - makin money.

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2016 6:23:22 PM

do i really need to hold your hand through that analogy? c'mon man, i know you can understand it.

paypall has higher expectations for a state, a state that has a history of being centrist and at times even progressive, than a nation with dated laws and morals. paypall also probably expects that their influence in a state where a controversial bill was just passed, a state hungry for jobs and investment, a bill that was signed into law by an unpopular governor who probably won't be reelected, a bill that the public is actively fighting, is a little bit higher than in a dictatorship where dissenters can be imprisoned and isn't desperately fighting to bring in jobs.

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"paypal knows exactly what they're doing and it's the one thing they care about at the end of the day - makin money."

so your argument is that this was a purely profit motivated decision? okay rjrumfel, paypall must not have wanted to come.

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 7:30 PM. Reason : weak sauce]

4/19/2016 7:22:20 PM

they wanted to come to nc, and they still will. they're getting fantastically free publicity before they do. so what if they "expect more" from a state? they either care about the issues they claim, or they don't. at least in a us state there's a better chance of laws being overturned. have they even made a statement to these other countries, or done any single thing to try to improve the issues there?

i don't need any handholding, you're right. i get your angle, i just don't agree... but that's what the internet is for
anyways that's all i got. i actually agree with you guys on a lot of this hb2 stuff... i just don't trust companies that seem to jump on political waves... and that's how i see some them (paypal, specifically)

[Edited on April 19, 2016 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2016 8:15:26 PM

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"lol, Bruce Springsteen isn't discriminating against any religious class you nitwit"

not talking about springsteen, im talking about issues where two very different but protected classes clash

4/19/2016 8:29:27 PM