Why are you even in this thread? You're one of the most hateful / discriminatory users on this site.

[Edited on August 24, 2014 at 8:23 PM. Reason : dtownral]

8/24/2014 8:23:21 PM

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"But it's a growing "trend" that officers are failing to act when necessary due to fear of public perception, media, retaliation etc..."

this is fucking bullshit

cops think their lives are more valuable that the lives of the people they are supposed to protect

every action they take is to protect themselves even if it's at the expense of the general public

fuck these goddamn pussy cops

8/24/2014 8:24:20 PM

bingo

8/24/2014 8:43:44 PM

MrGreen doesn't count, as he is yet another one of dtownral's aliases.

8/24/2014 9:06:02 PM

^ you're out of your fucking mind.

8/24/2014 9:44:46 PM

He's the only one I can think of that would go as far as he did a few pages back with one of the other users.

For which I can't believe he didn't get suspended.

8/24/2014 9:52:13 PM

the police never do anything wrong...
http://www.wral.com/police-officer-charged-in-19-year-old-s-death/13903908/

8/24/2014 9:53:46 PM

[Edited on August 24, 2014 at 9:56 PM. Reason : `]

8/24/2014 9:55:59 PM

rjrumfel is stupid

8/24/2014 10:00:37 PM

That's the best you got?

^^He wasn't being a cop when it happened

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"off-duty shooting death"

8/24/2014 10:20:24 PM

I didn't feel the need to embellish

just the facts

8/24/2014 10:57:45 PM

EMCE posted this, but it got lost: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/darren-wilsons-first-job-was-on-a-troubled-police-force-disbanded-by-authorities/2014/08/23/1ac796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html

It's circumstantia but it doesn't seem good at all for Wilson.

Sounds like ferguson needs to be disbanded too.

8/24/2014 11:06:23 PM

Maybe we need to look at the oversight that is given to municipal police offices. If one office gets disbanded, then why were those officers allowed to go elsewhere without any consequences.

I'm sick of all the cop hate in this thread though. Lots of people go into law enforcement to do good. Sure, there are bullies out there, and people that shouldn't be cops, but the large majority is not the Ferguson police force.

8/24/2014 11:17:24 PM

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"For which I can't believe he didn't get suspended."

This is Chit-Chat bruh, but I don't see anything suspendable if this was the Soap Box either.

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"but the large majority is not the Ferguson police force."

At least you're willing to admit that those people appear to be assholes.

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"If one office gets disbanded, then why were those officers allowed to go elsewhere without any consequences."

If an entire agency gets disbanded why should we hold that against a single person?

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"I'm sick of all the cop hate in this thread though."

As am I...but there's really not *that*much of it imo.

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"Lots of people go into law enforcement to do good."

I don't think original intentions are really germane here mane.

8/24/2014 11:21:33 PM

^^
Try empathizing with the oppressed rather than trying to further systemically mariginalize minority perspectives:
http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/self-segregation-why-its-hard-for-whites-to-understand-ferguson/378928/

8/24/2014 11:47:22 PM

Disgusting to the fucking core... ashamed of humanity after reading it

http://mic.com/articles/96690/here-s-what-happened-when-a-black-artist-played-dead-by-a-philly-landmark



Un-fucking-believable...

There are humans out there like that?

8/25/2014 5:10:15 AM

^ yeah who the hell does he think he is trying to ball hog a famous landmark

8/25/2014 7:56:09 AM

or maybe you should (like most people) simply be ashamed of tourists

8/25/2014 8:08:02 AM

I think there is a lot of animosity and distrust towards police officers, moreso in some communities than others; and moreso among certain age groups than others. But hey....those are the seeds that have been sown.
I think a lot of people realize that cops have a job to do, and that most are good guys. But come on...lets not pretend that these communities have enjoyed an Andy Griffith type of policeman patrolling the streets. These communities have probably "enjoyed" several policemen that harass, lie to, disrespect, intimidate, falsely accuse and arrest them. When they first released the name of Darren Wilson, the first thing you heard from those in that neighborhood was "oh yeah, we know him... That's the guy always harassing kids". Those are the seeds that are sown, and you don't get to just flip a switch to make everything all better while pointing to a few good officers as a representation of how awesome the police force is.

8/25/2014 8:15:52 AM

not wholly disagreeing with you, but you dont think negative seeds are sown when someone gets legitimately busted?

even good cops tend to come off as buzzkills ..

8/25/2014 8:25:23 AM

They certainly may. I think the real damage to the relationship/ mistrust between police and community comes about when the citizen is minding his or her own business and gets poked by the long dick of the law.

8/25/2014 8:51:03 AM

There are no good cops. The best cop is still a slave to the protection of capital.

[Edited on August 25, 2014 at 9:17 AM. Reason : here let me roll your stupid eyes for you: ]

8/25/2014 9:17:14 AM

you should be in the "fuck the police thread"

its more your speed

8/25/2014 11:12:47 AM

I actually posted there about the same time as that post, but I like to double up and post in the threads for slow people as well.

8/25/2014 11:50:53 AM

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"moreso among certain age groups than others"

Yeah my grandparents loved the cops.

This shit aint new. Business as usual. There has never EVER and there never EVER will be trust between african americans and the police.

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8/25/2014 11:58:49 AM

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/08/21/341417443/an-officer-shot-a-black-teen-and-st-louis-rioted-in-1962

There was protesting in 1962 when a black cop shot an unarmed black man, under similar context of an oppressive corrupt police force.

8/25/2014 12:26:49 PM

i for one am eagerly awaiting realistic solutions ITT instead of incessant bitching

posting random links, saying "fuck the police," and claiming blacks are the real racists is all pretty disappointing

8/25/2014 12:32:51 PM

ok. cops should be required to have more education, better training, and better entrance exams and should be required to wear a camera at all times.

8/25/2014 12:38:27 PM

OK guys I think we all forget JUST HOW FUCKING SCARY IT IS TO BE A COP.

With that said of course I am all for people not being shot left and right, but as it stands, when a cop gets a called in a dangerous situation wtf do you think he is doing to do? Wtf would you do if you were a cop confronted by what you perceive as a dangerous individual??

8/25/2014 12:44:16 PM

hahaha, ok.

8/25/2014 12:46:46 PM

Both of those posts have problems:

1) "perception"

2) "hahaha"

...but thanks for summing this entire thread up nicely.

Good ideas Bullet although somewhat general; all the cops I know IRL are losers that hate their jobs and became cops as a fall back. One dude is highway patrol and just OK.

Cops remind me of teachers in a lot of ways; good ones, shitty ones, career ones, temporary ones, mostly hated because of a few bad apples, fallback profession, etc.

8/25/2014 1:00:50 PM

^^^^
Like in Wisconsin (which is the only state that requires it), there should be outside investigations of police shootings.

Regarding training, police forces should be doing more outreaching into the communities they serve. It seems like Missouri has a problem with recruiting black officers, so they need to look into the causes of this.

To me, these seem like basic steps any good "management" would do, without requiring a shooting to foment these changes.

8/25/2014 1:24:05 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/ferguson_police_timeline_a_comprehensive_chronological_accounting_of_the.html

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"Once you get past the picture, which looks like some dude is getting the most rocking, face blasting, slow-motion-money-shot in the history of money shots, this is a pretty interesting article."

8/25/2014 1:59:35 PM

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"ok. cops should be required to have more education, better training, and better entrance exams and should be required to wear a camera at all times."

Eductation:

Many municipalities already require at least a four year degree. I don't think the nature of the degree is usually specified, although cops I know that went to school for the most part have criminal justice degrees. There's one that I know that was an engineer who switched because he'd always wanted to be a cop.

Training:

As far as training, that is always a good idea, but I bet smaller forces run up against budget constraints.

Entrance exams:

What would you improve on these exams? I don't know what they're composed of, so I can't really speak to them or how they need to be improved.

Cameras:

I'm ok with bigmans "gopros for popos" idea, but I guarantee you if anything dirty goes down they'll have a "malfunction"

8/25/2014 2:17:28 PM

is anyone calling this a false flag operation yet?

8/25/2014 2:20:04 PM

^^Off the top of my head i grew-up or was somewhat friendly with 4 guys who went on to become cops/highway patrol man (or sheriff, can't remember). All were fairly dumb, didn't do well in school, 2 were constantly in trouble at school and were bullies, i'm pretty sure one had a mild case of fetal alcohol syndrome, none went to college after high school, and all tried other jobs before going to law enforcement.



[Edited on August 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2014 2:24:47 PM

Maybe standardized entrance exams, with an insert depending in your role and location that addresses local issues (state insert for hwy patrol, county for sheriff, etc). That way cops across the country can be held to similar standards, regardless of size and demographics of the areas they manage.

8/25/2014 2:36:44 PM

that sounds pretty communist/statist/liberal/hitler

8/25/2014 2:40:01 PM

I can't speak for every municipality but the process to become a law enforcement officer here in Raleigh is not simple nor easy to navigate successfully. You have to go through a long academy which includes both physical training and academic instruction/testing. You go through a federal background check as well as a psychological screen, and a plolygraph. You have to certify on all of your equipment as well as driving. I'm pretty sure you also have to have some form of post-secondary education; they won't just take out of high school.

The problem is, not every municipality in the US has the kind of money to provide this level of process to their law enforcement officers. We may joke or cringe at the thought of it, but I'm sure there are some places in the US where the only requirements are a semi-clean record and a desire to do the job.

8/25/2014 2:55:49 PM

Ferguson Gang Leader Admits “Eric Holder Paid Us To Start Riots
http://nationalreport.net/ferguson-gang-leader-admits-eric-holder-paid-us-start-riots/

8/25/2014 2:59:59 PM

^^^it sure does

Don't ever let it be said that rjrumfel doesn't reach across the aisle.

8/25/2014 3:07:16 PM

^^^
I know a guy with an electrical engineering degree, significant amount of experience with guns, physically fit, otherwise intelligent, but washed out of the durham police training program because of inability to handle criticism.

8/25/2014 3:22:54 PM

Raleigh PD is also accredited by CALEA, which not every law enforcement organization is

http://policecommunity.net/calea/page2.html

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8/25/2014 3:35:24 PM

^^^^^i grew-up with a guy who works (or at least worked for a while) at the raleigh police department. he never did well in school, never played any sports or was very athletic, and i know he didn't attend college out of high school. maybe he took some sort of community college classes later, but i'm pretty sure he never got a 4-year degree.

8/25/2014 3:40:09 PM

my friend's sister's uncle knew a guy who had a friend who was a straight A student and was a cop

8/25/2014 3:44:47 PM

cool story. you seem to be more anxious than usual. everything ok?

8/25/2014 3:48:58 PM

No, I'm really concerned about AG Eric Holder paying gangs to incite riots in Ferguson. If he is doing this in Ferguson, where else is he doing this?

[Edited on August 25, 2014 at 3:51 PM. Reason : Is this our new operation Fast and Furious?!]

8/25/2014 3:50:09 PM

And just how did he pay them? I bet he used PayPal.

Has thegoldenrul commented on it yet?

8/25/2014 4:15:24 PM

Probably EBT cards

8/25/2014 4:16:57 PM

If money didn't exist, none of this would've happened

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8/25/2014 4:22:04 PM