i was thinking of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(card_game)

11/23/2007 5:39:50 PM

Ah. I believe she was referring to this.

http://www.pokernews.com/poker-variants/studpoker.html#chicago

11/23/2007 5:59:42 PM

Chicago.............

Highest or lowest spade underneath takes half the pot. (Whatever the dealer calls)

[Edited on November 23, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : Hi Karim! ]

11/23/2007 6:02:05 PM

PAGE 200!!!

11/23/2007 10:55:26 PM

horrible night thus far. bubbled on like 2 other 30+3s another 20+2 and then this after garbage cards all tourney.

Quote :

"Full Tilt Poker Game #4308964888: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (32684900), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:13:04 ET - 2007/11/26 Seat 2: DeweyDuck (930) Seat 3: bcsft (1,055) Seat 5: holdin_nadda (6,050) Seat 6: DeborahAcle (2,545) Seat 8: Just Go With It (1,110) Seat 9: tigger1963 (1,810) Just Go With It posts the small blind of 50 tigger1963 posts the big blind of 100 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bcsft [Ks Kc] DeweyDuck calls 100 bcsft raises to 450 holdin_nadda folds DeborahAcle folds Just Go With It folds tigger1963 has 15 seconds left to act tigger1963 folds DeweyDuck calls 350 *** FLOP *** [7h 4h 6d] DeweyDuck checks bcsft bets 605, and is all in DeweyDuck calls 480, and is all in bcsft shows [Ks Kc] DeweyDuck shows [Ad Ah] Uncalled bet of 125 returned to bcsft *** TURN *** [7h 4h 6d] [7s] *** RIVER *** [7h 4h 6d 7s] [Qd] bcsft shows two pair, Kings and Sevens DeweyDuck shows two pair, Aces and Sevens DeweyDuck wins the pot (2,010) with two pair, Aces and Sevens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2,010 | Rake 0 Board: [7h 4h 6d 7s Qd] Seat 2: DeweyDuck showed [Ad Ah] and won (2,010) with two pair, Aces and Sevens Seat 3: bcsft showed [Ks Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens Seat 5: holdin_nadda didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: DeborahAcle (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: Just Go With It (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 9: tigger1963 (big blind) folded before the Flop Full Tilt Poker Game #4308998387: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (32684900), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:15:59 ET - 2007/11/26 Seat 2: DeweyDuck (1,685) Seat 3: bcsft (200) Seat 5: holdin_nadda (6,000) Seat 6: DeborahAcle (2,445) Seat 8: Just Go With It (1,510) Seat 9: tigger1963 (1,660) DeborahAcle posts the small blind of 50 Just Go With It posts the big blind of 100 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bcsft [Qd Qs] tigger1963 folds DeweyDuck folds bcsft raises to 200, and is all in holdin_nadda calls 200 DeborahAcle folds Just Go With It has 15 seconds left to act Just Go With It calls 100 *** FLOP *** [9s 5h Jd] Just Go With It checks holdin_nadda checks *** TURN *** [9s 5h Jd] [Kc] Just Go With It checks holdin_nadda checks *** RIVER *** [9s 5h Jd Kc] [Qh] Just Go With It checks holdin_nadda checks *** SHOW DOWN *** bcsft shows [Qd Qs] three of a kind, Queens holdin_nadda mucks Just Go With It shows [Tc Jh] a straight, King high Just Go With It wins the pot (650) with a straight, King high bcsft stands up *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 650 | Rake 0 Board: [9s 5h Jd Kc Qh] Seat 2: DeweyDuck didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: bcsft showed [Qd Qs] and lost with three of a kind, Queens Seat 5: holdin_nadda (button) mucked [Ah 3h] - Ace King high Seat 6: DeborahAcle (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 8: Just Go With It (big blind) showed [Tc Jh] and won (650) with a straight, King high Seat 9: tigger1963 didn't bet (folded)"

[Edited on November 26, 2007 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2007 10:19:43 PM

i dont see the garbage there

you lost with the worst hand and the guy with the J 10 and you were only about a 50-50 to win vs a J10 and A3

people please dont post your retarded bad beat stories. everyone has run into aces with kings, everyone has had someone flop a set on their aces etc

11/26/2007 11:36:57 PM

Quote :

"bcsft raises to 200, and is all in"

I'd call you with 7-2 if I was in the big blind.

On a completely unrelated note, you guys are missing a fun game of Indian poker.

11/27/2007 3:51:01 AM

what? I said pretty much the only non-garbage hands resulted in those two not (LOOK AT DIS GARBAGE). I know that everyone has an AA KK bad beat, more annoyed at the fact every other person that tries to slowplay that hand gets reamed. of course it's a must call on the second post and it was like 80% on the turn vs that, eh?

Guess I should just stop posting since it's obvious elitism reigns strong. Yes uR_gr8 and I fail at poker I'd suggest just stalking me and taking all my dollarbux but don't want to endure the suggestion afterwards involving chump change low stakes bullshit.

lesson learned, stay out of teh thread.

11/27/2007 4:28:10 AM

Quote :

""Full Tilt Poker Game #4308964888: $20 + $2 Sit & Go (32684900), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:13:04 ET"

Quote :

"I'd suggest just stalking me and taking all my dollarbux but don't want to endure the suggestion afterwards involving chump change low stakes bullshit."

So you play high stakes eh?

11/27/2007 7:30:50 AM

^right, because i'm really that conceited.

reread, without giving in to the overwhelming sensation to call me out. regardless, the problem is solved. no more of the mundane banality that is my handposting.

11/27/2007 8:12:05 AM

jesus christ pull the stick out of your ass

11/27/2007 9:20:05 AM

Quote :

"reread, without giving in to the overwhelming sensation to call me out. regardless, the problem is solved. no more of the mundane banality that is my handposting."

with such big words, you definitely have a career as an english teacher..or maybe even a columnist

just maybe not a poker player

11/27/2007 1:21:43 PM

I don't know. I can't really see this guy as an English teacher given his sentence structure for his first post on the page.

11/27/2007 1:26:32 PM

True.

But he said "mundane banality"...and that sir..is some baller vocab.

11/27/2007 5:02:57 PM

Hah. We were playing Chinese Poker last night, not Indian. I'm sooooooooo tired.

11/27/2007 5:31:27 PM

Grandmaster,

David063, linoleum, boobs, and pilgrimshoes are the only one who can post in this thread

11/27/2007 6:00:37 PM

You left out Turner and Noid.

11/27/2007 6:04:36 PM

Grandmaster,

I guess I'm in the minority of people that would like for you to keep posting your "bad beats." I think it's pretty brave that you post your stupid fucking stories for the rest of us to laugh at.

11/27/2007 8:02:09 PM

ahahaa greg

my bad grandmaster, i was in a bad mood and i hate bad beat stories where the player either plays bad and the result is a bad beat or it is something that is common in poker (AA vs KK) etc

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 8:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2007 8:42:56 PM

Ok resident experts, how much RR on the river for my value?

Table '68541814 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: GTech93 (915 in chips)
Seat 2: SnakeHunter6 (1570 in chips)
Seat 3: slowcheetah1 (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: girafffe (1615 in chips)
Seat 5: plumber239 (1490 in chips)
Seat 6: uoducks33 (1940 in chips)
GTech93: posts small blind 10
SnakeHunter6: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to slowcheetah1 [Ad Qd]
slowcheetah1: raises 40 to 60
girafffe: folds
plumber239: calls 60
uoducks33: folds
GTech93: folds
SnakeHunter6: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ah 6d]
slowcheetah1: checks
plumber239: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd Ah 6d] [2c]
slowcheetah1: bets 60
plumber239: calls 60
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ah 6d 2c] [7d]
slowcheetah1: bets 100
plumber239: raises 180 to 280

11/27/2007 10:30:07 PM

id shove

11/27/2007 11:34:54 PM

My first thought also considering bet sizes to relative stacks. However I don't know if that would be the best idea in terms of expected value.

I forgot to mention I raised it up to 600, and the villain folded.

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/27/2007 11:52:24 PM

although i hate this play more than anything, as passive as this guy seems, i think a min raise might have gotten him to call with a bad ace, but it is possible he was a donk and had Q10, J10, or a hand like KQ. you cant really put him on a big enough hand to call your large reraise, so make a min raise of his, so it is callable to a medium level hand. (and if he was staying in with a gut shot and tried to bluff the river he was likely folding anyways)

thats my opinion

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2007 12:13:02 AM

Maybe so, and the thing is at the first couple of levels its difficult to get a read of the opponent. I absolutely hate the min-raise in most situations, both because it blows, and because it's very transparent. But, yeah in retrospect, it would have been more likely to reel him in with the MR than my raise.

For what its worth I took the thingy down, and am running 73.8% ROI over the last 50 of these, but I think what I am trying to work on is extracting max value. Because all too often at the end I am pushbotting, and anything I can do to get chips would be awesome.

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2007 12:20:50 AM

do you understand my logic though? The minraise or mebbe a little bit more than a min raise makes sense as his reraise was so small it almost looks like a scared bluff. There are so many weak players in those sit n go's that had he a big hand to him (AJ, AQ,2pr, set) he'd reraise your small reraise and had he a marginal hand, he may call bc of the amt in the pot with a hand like K10 etc. I dont play it the same all the time, but here before I even saw the result I was thinking mini or min raise



[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 12:34 AM. Reason : .]

11/28/2007 12:29:05 AM

I dig.

11/28/2007 12:38:32 AM

i assume players are bad until they prove otherwise

11/28/2007 12:41:33 AM

Getting deep in the stars 25k if anyone cares to rail. 28 left

11/28/2007 12:50:44 AM

gl dude

im goin to bed

11/28/2007 12:52:19 AM

gg moe

I think the minute I said GL I jinxed you. Although you made a reasonable push.

[Edited on November 28, 2007 at 1:13 AM. Reason : /]

11/28/2007 1:03:18 AM

ty...maybe could have waited for a better spot, but wasn't in too bad of shape with a coinflip. A bit disappointing, but can't really complain.

11/28/2007 8:39:30 AM

Ah, I feel so refreshed after a nice 10 hours of sleep.

I don't really like a min reraise in the situation above.

As boobs said "his reraise was so small it almost looks like a scared bluff."

If it was a complete bluff then he'd probably fold his hand whether you went all in or bet min. Maybe he'd call min for the info but I think a min reraise there just screams you have the nuts. I'd probably reraise 2X min. That would be a little less than half the pot. That way if he does actually have a hand then you'll make a little money. I also don't like the all in play because its pretty transparent as well unless you're trying to make him think you're overbetting the pot on purpose, but that's giving him way too much credit. Unless he also has a flush, I don't see a push paying off here.

11/28/2007 9:18:13 AM

the reason why i say that dave is because i assume unknown players are bad until they prove otherwise. if he is bluffing with a pair he may call a small reraise. My advice was given the fact that i think the other player is a weak player

11/28/2007 1:33:43 PM

Yeah, but wouldn't he just call if he has a small pair? Also, if you think he'd call a min reraise with a small pair then why not assume he'd call a bigger reraise with a small pair?

11/28/2007 1:51:16 PM

I honestly thought the small re-raise by him was him hitting a little flush. However, I doubt thats the case since he folded to me coming over the top of him.

11/28/2007 3:39:34 PM

Rookie bluffers love the extremely small bets. It happens all the time on the river in tournaments I play.

11/28/2007 4:19:17 PM

http://www.cashgamestats.com/SearchData.aspx?Player=Paul%20Wasicka

Can anyone think of any more stats you may want to see for a player?

Also, any other feedback welcome.

thanks

11/29/2007 12:11:19 AM

Don't know if this is possible, but something I think might be good is whether they are predominantly 6-max or full table players. Not sure how that would be done, b/c an averaging of the amount of players at their table might be misleading. However, if it could be done it would give some more insight to the VP$IP, PFR, etc..

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 12:57 AM. Reason : .]

11/29/2007 12:57:24 AM

good point. I was thinking of putting the limits a player plays and the type of table whether it be 6max full ring or HU. I'll see what I can come up with.

11/29/2007 8:41:56 AM

The Gambler's Prayer by Jonathan Coulton

Lord hear my prayer
Look down on me
I'm not as wealthy as I used to be
It's not even ten and I'm busted again
Why does this happen to me?

Give me a sign
Show me you care
A straight to the Ace Lord, or even a pair
I can't make it alone and I'll sink like a stone
Unless you can undo what I've done

So Lord lift me up in your tender embrace
Lend me your wisdom, your strength and your grace
Help me to smash my opponents fat face
Oh Lord help me take money from my friends


Deep down I know
That it's only a game
But I want them shaking in terror and shame
It's just poker and beer
Still I need them to fear me Lord
It's not enough just to win

Deal me good cards and I'll handle the math
We'll take their money while they take a bath
I'll show them my hand and you'll show them your wrath
Oh Lord help me take money from my friends

And I don't want to cheat them
Because I know that's a sin

I just want to defeat them
And make it hurt when I win

Make it hurt when I win...


So poke them with sticks
And crush them with stones
Chew them up good Lord and spit out their bones
Make my riches grow and let those bitches know
That you hate them and love only me
Burn it all down until nothing survives
Make them regret for the rest of their lives
The day that they bet their dogs and their wives
Oh Lord help me take money from
Help me take money from
Help me take money from my friends

You can listen to it at this link:

http://www.jonathancoulton.com/store/downloads

It is the 3rd song from the bottom of the page.

11/29/2007 11:38:50 AM

so how many of you play poker as your job now?

11/29/2007 4:19:57 PM

Just turner and noid as far as I know.

11/29/2007 4:37:04 PM

let me rephrase then

how many hours a day do some of you play?

11/29/2007 4:40:23 PM

I've cut back to only playing only on Sundays for the most part. Probably 8-12 hours depending on how well the tournaments go.

11/29/2007 4:43:36 PM

i played a lot the couple months before last

then I got drunk one night, went into a $1000 max table when my total chip stack was around $2500, lost the $1000 in one hand, then went on mega tilt, and now I rarely play

11/29/2007 4:49:16 PM

Blackjack?

11/29/2007 4:52:39 PM

no poker...haha

my total stack in my poker account was $2500

I started from $50 in late August and made over $2500 through early October

then one weekend in October I got waster, logged onto my poker account, went into a $1000 table, lost it all, and was pissed about it so I went on mega tilt

i was actually down to $120 last week and now I'm back up to $500 now that my head is on straight


moral of the story...don't play drunk and if you do don't be mad about it and lose more money

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 5:17 PM. Reason : shit]

11/29/2007 5:14:40 PM

please let us know when you build that roll back up


































and decide to play drunk

11/29/2007 5:20:39 PM

It won't happen again

11/29/2007 5:39:04 PM

brag post...

had a good month:



[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 9:39 PM. Reason : fix pic]

11/29/2007 9:36:54 PM