Quote :

"I understand, but he was not convicted of rape. He was sued in a civil proceeding."

so, what’s your point? The statute of limitations had expired on criminal charges, a civil case went through the legal system and determined that he is a rapist. According to the courts, he is a rapist.

[Edited on October 6, 2023 at 5:46 AM. Reason : $$$]

10/6/2023 5:45:00 AM

I would argue that a civil trial cannot determine that he is a rapist. At least not legally.

OJ is a great analogy. Of course OJ is all but certainly a murderer, and he was found liable for wrongful death in civil court, but it would not be correct to say “in the eyes of the legal system, OJ is a murderer.”

[Edited on October 6, 2023 at 2:49 PM. Reason : The proceedings, standards of evidence, etc are different. That’s just not what a civil trial does]

10/6/2023 2:48:26 PM

If this guy wasnt a dirt bag president we would talk more about how weird he is

Quote :

"Trump on Hannibal Lecter: You know why I like him? Because he said on television “I love Donald Trump” so I love him"

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1710777385153368153

10/7/2023 7:42:53 PM

Does he know the difference between the character of Hannibal Lecter and the actor Anthony Hopkins?

No, he does not.

10/7/2023 8:08:32 PM

Would Donald Trump know the difference between The Coz and the cause?

10/7/2023 9:36:35 PM

Swiss cheese brain

Quote :

"Trump: We see whales washing up on shore because of the wind. Those turbines out in the ocean are unbelievably expensive. So the whales will be very happy about that "

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1711420815252574690

10/9/2023 3:09:27 PM

If you accept that offshore wind farms are harmful to whales and that wind power is not cost effective, then the rest of his comments make sense (with the "whales being very happy about that" very obviously being sarcasm.)

To my knowledge, there is no evidence that wind power is harmful to whales, and I'm not schooled up on the latest economics of wind power, but I know the broader trend has been for it to become more and more cost effective--and I know that no large company is going to invest hundreds of millions of dollars or more into a large energy project without having a lot of smart people evaluate the business case for it...

So yeah, I'm sure he's wrong, just like he's wrong more often than not, and for the same reasons that he's wrong more often than not, but it's not like that comment was nonsensical as it is portrayed in the headline and your post.

Look, the guy is a fucking cancer on humanity and particularly America, and he's intellectually lazy and is massively lacking in judgment and logic skills, but let's not take things out of context. He doesn't need any help in looking like a malignant dipshit--it's more important to maintain impeccable credibility in criticizing him.

It's sort of like calling him a "rapist in the eyes of the law." Well, no, not really. Not in the sense that we would typically use that language. He's a piece of shit for the ages and that much is established by mountains and mountains of evidence that is plainly obvious to anyone not in his cult and probably most of the ones who are (who just don't care); it's counterproductive to stretch things to try to make him look even worse, and in any case, just incorrect.

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 4:48 PM. Reason : bending the rules to make Trump look like a POS is like photoshopping a pic to make Lizzo look fat. ]

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 4:51 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2023 4:40:31 PM

Guy7said that the wind from the turbines are blowing the whales onto shore. I'm not Jacques Cousteau, but I'm pretty sure that's not a thing.

10/9/2023 4:55:50 PM

That isn't at all what he said. That is what is implied with the comment taken out of context, which is the point of my post.

10/9/2023 5:08:07 PM

^^^
He is a rapist though based on conventional usage of the word, not the NY legal definition

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2023 5:43:21 PM

Trump finally delivers on health care!! Get your Trump med bed now!!!

https://www.trumpmedbed.com/

10/9/2023 6:01:56 PM

I agree with calling him a rapist.

I disagree with saying he "is a rapist in the eyes of the legal system." Statute of limitations, peculiar wording of a NY statute, or meeting a preponderance of the evidence standard but not a beyond reasonable doubt standard, even if that may be partly because of rules on evidence admitted in different types of trials...it really doesn't matter. He might be a rapist, and you and I can call him a rapist--I think that's within bounds--but it's out of bounds to say that he's "a rapist in the eyes of the legal system", because he is not, and not just because of some legalese minutiae peculiar to NY (although again, it doesn't really matter.)

And, for that matter, you and I can call him a rapist, and someone would be well within their rights to say "Maybe, but not according to the courts."

(To which you or I would say "True, just like OJ isn't legally a murderer...but I'm pretty confident that Trump is a fucking rapist.")

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 7:05 PM. Reason : rapist, not purist. Stupid autocorrect]

10/9/2023 7:02:42 PM

First of all it's tww, there are no Trump believers left really, I'm not that worried about credibility.

Second, if Trump wants to be understood without a Trump translator, he needs to speak his case more clearly. I shouldnt need a tww poster to give me the case of why this statement isn't in fact nutty. It sure reads and sounds nutty at first take.

10/9/2023 7:03:35 PM

The headline? or the video clip in its entirety?

10/9/2023 7:06:36 PM

What headline?

10/9/2023 7:12:27 PM

rwoody, did you watch the video?

10/9/2023 7:45:29 PM

The video I posted?


Look I think this all comes down to whether you know wtf "whales are washing ashore bc of the wind" means, I had never before heard the theory that wind turbines are harmful to whales and was trying to figure out how wind is washing whales ashore and whether Trump things wind turbines create wind. I guess the effectiveness of his communication comes down to the audience.

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 8:09 PM. Reason : E]

10/9/2023 8:07:38 PM

If you watch the video, instead of just the misleading headline, it's obvious he is not saying that wind is blowing whales ashore, or that windmills create wind, or anything like that. It's a couple of "umms" and "ahhs" and a deliberately misleading transcription.

Now look, he's a poor orator with an odd speech pattern...but if another President who is a poor orator with, at time, odd speech patterns, got misrepresented with a purposefully misleading transcription on, say, Breitbart, we would say that's bullshit.

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 8:30 PM. Reason : Trump is indefensible, but I'll defend accuracy and fairness and being truthful even in his favor]

10/9/2023 8:22:52 PM

It's not though. I understand he thinks wind turbines are expensive, and that whales are washing ashore, but was not sure how the two are connected. Now I guess I get it knowing that he thinks wind turbines are killing whales, although I'm still not sure the how that's supposedly happening.

Im still not sure what headline you're seeing, I tried to find and article that had more context than the tweet and couldn't.

10/9/2023 8:29:39 PM

Right--"this dumbshit is claiming that wind turbines are killing whales" would be a fair comment.

And, to that point--that's not totally outlandish. If we found evidence suggesting significant cause for concern that wind turbines were killing whales, I would be like "Interesting, let's figure out how and see if it can be mitigated." It wouldn't be preposterous on its face.

It's just that as of now, there's no reason to believe that as far as I know--it's a case of Trump claiming something with no evidence because of his believing--or at least claiming--whatever he want to believe (or claim) because it fits his worldview and agenda. The problem is that's not how facts and evidence work.

And discussing the cost effectiveness of them is fair.


Regarding headline, I meant the headline of the tweet/video linked:

Quote :

"Trump: We see whales washing up on shore because of the wind. Those turbines out in the ocean are unbelievably expensive. So the whales will be very happy about that"

That's the thing I was calling bullshit on. Maybe "caption" would have been a better description. I don't know, I don't twitter/X.



[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 8:38 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2023 8:35:04 PM

Ahhhh ok, I'd just say tweet or post or something, or quoted text even to get it through my brain

But yes with your added context I understand what he means but still argue that "washing ashore bc of wind" is terrible way to get that point across.

10/9/2023 8:57:33 PM

Sure, but in the video, he clearly says "...because of the winnnnnd, ahhhhh--these big wind turbines..."

My beef is with the tweet saying "because of the wind". I think that's deliberately taking it out of context in order to be misleading.

If Biden said "I struggled with stuttering, particularly when I was younger. It's really terrible the way kids make fun of st-st-stutt-st-stutterers!"

...and then someone posted a tweet saying "Biden: "Make fun of st-st-stutt-st-stutterers!"

...and then MAGAs said "We've said all along that he's senile and washed up, but look at this sadistic cocksucker! We don't wanna hear any more shit from you woke-ass hippies about mean tweets from Trump when your guy is telling people to bully stuttering kids!"

That would be bullshit.

[Edited on October 9, 2023 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2023 10:18:09 PM

I don't see how anyone can establish context with Trump's word salads.

10/9/2023 10:33:26 PM

Quote :

"And, for that matter, you and I can call him a rapist, and someone would be well within their rights to say "Maybe, but not according to the courts." "

He lost in 2020 according to the courts too

10/10/2023 10:07:31 AM

I kinda doubt most MAGAs are capable of maintaining that logical consistency.

10/10/2023 9:57:06 PM

The MAGA crowd is literally scary to me.

10/10/2023 10:28:16 PM

Duh.

10/10/2023 11:52:39 PM

Quote :

"Trump once again confuses who is currently President, forcing Kilmeade to correct him"

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1712518509211590760

Whats the interpretation here?

10/12/2023 11:06:37 PM

Keep fighting the fight is mine

10/12/2023 11:18:35 PM

Sydney Powell pleading guilty seems like it would throw a significant wrench in Donald Trump's defense in the Fulton County case.

10/19/2023 10:49:26 AM

Chesebro pleads guilty. This and that^ are prettty significant, right?

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1207417000/kenneth-chesebro-guilty-plea-georgia

10/20/2023 1:49:55 PM

I was starting to second-guess the significance of the Sydney Powell plea deal, since it only seemed to focus on the Coffee County data breach; however, Kenneth Chesebro was directly involved in the fake elector scheme.

https://tinyurl.com/bdetpwwv

Quote :

"... Mr. Chesebro's deal could present a more serious threat to Mr. Trump than the others given that he pleaded guilty to a conspiracy count that involved both the former president and some of his closest allies. Mr. Chesebro also maintained an extensive correspondence with other pro-Trump lawyers charged in the case and played a central role in one of Mr. Trump's chief plans to stay in office: a scheme to create slates of pro-Trump electors in states like Georgia, which Mr. Trump had actually lost... If and when Mr. Chesebro takes the stand in Georgia, he could give an insider's perspective not only on the legal advice he provided to Mr. Trump, but also on another important issue: the roles that other lawyers, including John Eastman and Rudolph W. Giuliani, played in the fake elector scheme. Moreover, having already put in writing that some of Mr. Trump's postelection legal maneuvers were feints of a sort undertaken for political ends, Mr. Chesebro might also be able to undermine one of the defenses that the former president could use in both of the election prosecutions. If Mr. Chesebro were to testify that Mr. Trump's lawsuits challenging his loss were not designed to win, but merely as ploys to sow doubt about the election, it could cut against Mr. Trump's possible plan to use a so-called advice of counsel defense."

10/23/2023 9:56:16 AM

Another domino falls

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/politics/jenna-ellis-fulton-county/index.html

10/24/2023 11:59:32 AM

trump2024 (for prison) lol

10/24/2023 7:02:09 PM

Trump 24 to Life

10/24/2023 7:49:40 PM

"Donnie was an old man!
He had a heart of stone. . ."

10/24/2023 7:54:08 PM

The Coz

10/24/2023 8:04:09 PM

I read the article, did I and the tweeter misinterpret and this is actually chill?

Quote :

"Spokesman denies that Trump rhetoric echoes that of dictators like Hitler and Mussolini and declares that those who say it does will find "their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House." ?@marianne_levine?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/

11/13/2023 2:46:32 PM

I would call it more chilling than chill.

11/13/2023 6:06:31 PM

Trump is gonna ban the wolf web

11/13/2023 6:25:03 PM

Trump will be #47.

Oh wait..... the Republicans are too stupid to play the Libs' game so they'll continue to cheat and win.

Voting day needs to be a national holiday. No mail-in ballots, no early voting. One day and one day only and the cheating will stop. Well, at least most of it.

11/13/2023 8:32:52 PM

It used to be that states could do it whenever over a 34 day period

11/13/2023 9:43:56 PM

^^ amazing that there is still one crazy as fuck weirdo still here, probably still voting against his own financial interests.

Lol "cheating" perhaps you were in a coma on January 6th 2021. I'll let you get back to your algorithms feeding you shit that you happily eat

[Edited on November 13, 2023 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

11/13/2023 11:08:54 PM

Early voting being a means to cheating is a new one to me.

11/14/2023 8:44:51 AM

Huh, I interpreted his comment as insinuating that the Republicans were cheating (in regards to the election denial), since it's typically left leaning people who speak a lot about election reform and making it easier to vote. And cause I've never seen a Republican on here before.

11/14/2023 2:34:11 PM

You must look at the post history for context on currently infrequent posters.

11/14/2023 7:16:41 PM

It's only slightly disturbing to hear a party's leading presidential candidate promise concentration camps and political purges. What the hell could go wrong

11/17/2023 10:38:14 PM

Quote :

"And cause I've never seen a Republican on here before"

There are a few who are right leaning. Not many, if any, who still identify as Republican, I'd guess.

11/17/2023 11:50:17 PM

Yeah, I used to be one of them, but FUCK THAT! It's a brainless death cult these days. And not to suggest that my previously-held positions were well-reasoned or defensible.

The most interesting case study for political evolution might be GrumpyGOP.

11/18/2023 2:10:25 PM

My previously-held positions are largely the same. Maybe further moderated slightly and tending more towards pragmatism that ideology, but really not much different than they've been for 20-something years.

It's that my political leanings and which side and factions I find most destructive and loathsome has changed.

Leftists complain that the GOP has moved the Overton window and dragged the Dems to the right along with them. I don't think that's the case at all. I think the Dems have shifted left as the GOP has shifted right-ish and more extreme. That makes the Dems even more loathsome to me than they were before, but the GOP has become an outright imminent existential threat to the country as we know it, so...I have become more hostile to them than to the Dems.

11/18/2023 11:06:28 PM