"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

--David Rockefeller


[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 12:32 AM. Reason : 1000]

3/24/2004 12:04:42 AM

STOP THE MADDNESS!!!!!!!!!11

.....pg. 21, btw

3/24/2004 12:07:46 AM

wow - i saw the first plane hit as well...it was on TV over and over again

did he ever say "at the exact time of the crash i saw the impact happening live"

NO

why?

because no one did...but we all saw it numerous times before the second plane hit

but that's logical, so I'm sure to get no response

oh, nice recycling of shit from earlier in the thread - have you run out of good posting material?

fucktard

3/24/2004 7:11:29 AM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

3/24/2004 9:09:28 AM

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/24/2004 9:11:10 AM

How is all this not padding on Sal's behalf?

It's not like he's making coherent arguments.

3/24/2004 10:24:23 AM

Who is really "terrorizing" the American people?

source: http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/3381

"American Government Terrorizes America After 9/11 Attacks

Some people think it is nothing short of amazing that the Homeland Security Department, plus
various senators and high government figures can use vague discussion of "imminent threats"
and disrupt American society with no hard evidence, no substantive documentation, no specific
times or locations -- just "threats". And it seems to work -- especially now that the American
public can see soldiers with machine guns "protecting" public areas, and other recognizable
evidences that America is increasingly becoming a police state, and rumor has it that soon the
spelling change will be official, from America to Amerika.

Yet, when the U.S. government had knowledge of conspirators, timing, and plans to destroy
the World Trade Center, and had plenty of ability to forestall the attacks or even shoot down
the hijackings in progress BEFORE the buildings were hit, the American government utterly failed
to prevent the attacks. In fact, the evidence is incontrovertible that the American government
(1) stood down its response forces on 9/11 during the critical time frame when the hijacked
plans could have been intercepted (2) knowingly allowed the hijackers entry into and out of
the country multiple times prior to 9/11 -- often over the objections of State Department
officials who tried to prevent entry into the U.S. (3) stymied any significant public
investigations subsequent to that day, and (4) stonewalled the minor investigations that
were allowed.

So, what we have is an American government that failed to prevent terrorism when
intelligence was adequate, and which now itself terrorizes the American people
by "terror alerts" based on vague information. And this is the same government which
detains people of all nationalities on the basis of "guilt by association" and not on proof of
actual crimes committed. This is the government that has tossed a blanket over the American
constitution and which has warred on freedom and democracy at home and abroad -- all in
the name of a spurious "war on terror".

[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 12:06:53 PM

Quote :

"Who is really "terrorizing" the American people? "

Name starts with an "s"....ends in "alisburyboy"....

3/24/2004 12:11:40 PM

on the film: http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm

"THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS WHITEWASHING AND LYING ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
ON SEPT. 11 911: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY IS SHAKING THE FOUNDATIONS OF
WASHINGTON DC AS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AND REVEALING DOCUMENTARY FILM
COVERING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT. 11 AND WHO STANDS TO GAIN."

Watch Alex Jones' film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny. The entire film can be
downloaded and watched here:

------>http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.rm<-------


[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 12:28 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 12:15:07 PM

Motherfucker, you already have an ENTIRE THREAD dedicated to this film, no one who didn't watch it before is gonna watch it now that you've posted it YET AGAIN...if you're gonna continue posting bullshit, at least post some NEW bullshit. Or is this your way of saying you're running out of ammo and slowly loosing your sanity (moreso than usual anyway)?

3/24/2004 12:35:41 PM

OMG IT'S TRUE!!!

Officials in Washington have read this thread and informed the president. He's created a commission to investigate this very question!!!1one You can listen to it unfold right now, live on NPR. Great job, salisburyboy! Keep up the good work!

3/24/2004 12:43:19 PM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/24/2004 2:43:49 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/03/24/health.robotics.reut/index.html
OMG! Monkeys were used to take control of the airplanes and fly them into theWTC!!1eleven

[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 3:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2004 3:33:17 PM

Audio of George W. Bush saying he saw the first plane that hit the WTC:

http://users.adelphia.net/~earthwatch/GW-sayingHeSawPlaneHit1stWTCtowerOnTVon911.mp3



[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 10:04 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 10:02:49 PM

Video of George W. Bush urging us to never tolerate "outrageous conspiracy theories" regarding the events of 9/11:

http://users.adelphia.net/~earthwatch/videos/Dubya@UN-tolerateNo911conspiracyTheories.wmv




[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 10:13:32 PM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/24/2004 10:22:05 PM

Neither.....it was never a goal to capture bin Ladin (a CIA asset and Bush business partner). The supposed goal of capturing bin Ladin and routing al-Queda was a front to militarily take over Afghanistan (for oil and narcotic interests).


[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 10:41 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 10:30:54 PM

Examine the "French fireman video" of the first plane hitting the WTC at the following website. The video can be played frame by frame using the display at the top of the webpage. From the video it appears that the wall explodes outwards just as the plane is about to impact the building (see around "frame 21" in the display).

http://users.adelphia.net/~earthwatch/

It is also interesting to note that the "impact" of this first plane into the north tower is very different from the impact of the second "plane" that hit the south tower. There is no outward explosion of the building just before or at the moment that the second "plane" hits the south tower.




[Edited on March 24, 2004 at 10:56 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2004 10:51:32 PM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

As for taking over afganistan, yeah we did a great job of that, which is why afganistan is in the UNs control, not ours

3/24/2004 10:54:14 PM

Audio of FEMA spokesman claiming FEMA went to NYC on Monday night, September 10th, 2001:

http://www.themedianews.com/audio/fema.rm

[Edited on March 25, 2004 at 12:41 AM. Reason : ..]

3/25/2004 12:41:26 AM

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[Edited on March 25, 2004 at 12:46 AM. Reason : whoops]

3/25/2004 12:46:07 AM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/25/2004 12:51:22 AM

Look Sal, you've offered literally like 20 different conspiracy theories on what happened 9/11 and almost every single one of them conflict with each other and negate principles key to each theory (see above). So what is the official story that you believe is correct cause as far as I can tell you haven't the slightest clue based on random and completely conflicting stories you propose. Oh and just address the little missile and hologram bit. Its not hard.

3/25/2004 12:53:36 AM

^yeah, seriously dude

Which theory do you think is the right one? Obviously you're an educated man (snicker) who can realize that each theory you've presented conflicts with the others.

So was it the holograph cruise missile? The one plane loaded with all passengers? Fighter jets? Bombs?

Pick one and stick with it...it will at least give you some semblance of credibility if you can be a man and speak for yourself for once.

3/25/2004 4:17:37 AM

Quote :

"Examine the "French fireman video" of the first plane hitting the WTC . . ."

7 posts up. That video at that website is so damn blurry that I can't distinguish one blob from another. So there's little chance I could recognize any explosion before the plane hitting when I can't even recognize the moment the plane hit.

3/25/2004 9:59:41 AM

The nose cone on a plane hits the building before anything happens. On any impact steel buckles. Also its a skyscraper filled with glass, have you ever been to an airport the engines are loud so those buckling could be the windows shattering prior to impact. The first plane hit more in the middle of the building, where as plane 2 hit the building more in the corner. There is that theory debunked.

3/25/2004 10:48:55 AM

FBI informant revealed 9-11 plot in April 2001: 2 D.C. agents filed report that al-Qaida
planned suicide attacks involving planes

source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37781

quote:

"A former FBI employee recently briefed the 9-11 Commission about a tip he says he and
two agents got from an intelligence asset outlining the 9-11 attacks -- four months before
they happened -- WorldNetDaily has learned.

In April 2001, the long-time FBI source is said to have told two counterterrorism agents
from the Washington field office that al-Qaida planned to carry out terrorist attacks in
major U.S. cities, including New York, using planes and suicide operatives. The other cities
named were Chicago and Los Angeles. The tip apparently got lost in the FBI bureaucracy."

3/29/2004 11:51:33 AM

No shit sherlock, that was one of the problems with the days leading up to 9/11. By law and policy (as caused by tinfoil hat people like you and alex jones, there was very little information exchange between the various intelligence branches of the government. As a result, stuff didn't go where it needed to go.

3/29/2004 11:54:36 AM

^^so this disproves your cruise missle theory

3/29/2004 12:16:24 PM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/29/2004 1:42:51 PM

The movement to expose the truth about 9-11 is gaining attention in the mainstream media:

source: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/8291466.htm

quote:

"Skeptics examine Sept. 11
Sat, Mar. 27, 2004

By Dana Hull
Mercury News

High-level advisers from the Clinton and Bush administrations testified before the
commission investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in Washington, D.C., this week.

Now a growing subculture of skeptics, amateur sleuths and independent researchers
of all stripes are questioning the ``official narrative'' of Sept. 11, and about 100 people
are gathering in San Francisco this weekend for a three-day inquiry of their own.

It's easy to dismiss the self-proclaimed ``911 Truth Movement'' as little more than
conspiracy theorists gone overboard.

But the movement, which until recently largely lived on the Internet, is increasingly
holding public forums and attracting attention from the mainstream media.

The weekend event, at the Herbst Theatre in San Francisco, includes panel discussions
about Al-Qaida's links to the CIA, the history of covert operations, and the role of Pakistan
in Sept. 11.

...

The Internet has allowed Sept. 11 theories to spread like wildfire. And growing public
concern about the government's rationale for the war in Iraq has fueled further
speculation.

``The Iraq war really increased the interest in Sept. 11 conspiracy theories,'' said
Kathryn Olmstead, a history professor at the University of California-Davis who is
writing a book called ``Governing Conspiracies.''

``It's morphed into one: The government set up Sept. 11 so they could go into Iraq
so they can control the oil. There was a small number of activists who were suspicious
from the start, and then once the anti-war movement got going a lot of people who
were opposed to the war wondered if there was a link. But there are some serious people
who are genuinely concerned that their government is hiding information from them.''

3/29/2004 2:42:53 PM

You are all fucking morons

3/29/2004 3:54:50 PM

and your a fucking n00b pegeraki

3/30/2004 10:42:25 AM

The following article alleging that the U.S. allowed the attacks of 9/11 to occur
was written by Michael Meacher, former Environmental Minister of Great Britain.

source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1036685,00.html

quote:

"This war on terrorism is bogus

Michael Meacher
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian

First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events
of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to
the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent to
Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists
said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001).
The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none
of whom was arrested.

It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington
targets with aeroplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report
noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with
high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White
House".

Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael
Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has
stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified
applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in
terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November
6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other
purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at
secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001).

Instructive leads prior to 9/11 were not followed up. French Moroccan flight
student Zacarias Moussaoui (now thought to be the 20th hijacker) was
arrested in August 2001 after an instructor reported he showed a suspicious
interest in learning how to steer large airliners. When US agents learned from
French intelligence he had radical Islamist ties, they sought a warrant to
search his computer, which contained clues to the September 11 mission
(Times, November 3 2001). But they were turned down by the FBI. One agent
wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might be planning to crash into
the Twin Towers (Newsweek, May 20 2002)."


[Edited on March 30, 2004 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ..]

3/30/2004 12:27:16 PM

hey salisburyboy

i found another reference for you

i think it will prove invaluable in constructing yet another brilliant theory

http://www.geocities.com/neonazipropaganda/lincolnwasanigger.html

3/30/2004 12:39:29 PM

Are you trying to say that a missle hit those buildings?!?!? Are you serious? And the people on the planes where just made up folk? Ohh... oh yeah and the people who witnessed a plane hitting a building LIVE in Manhattan can't tell what a plane looks like from 400 feet?

3/30/2004 12:43:40 PM

IT WAS A HOLOGRAM DURRRRRRRRRRRR

3/30/2004 12:47:50 PM

oh those crafty JEWS

[Edited on March 30, 2004 at 12:57 PM. Reason : oh man]

3/30/2004 12:57:46 PM

Quote :

"The following article alleging that the U.S. allowed the attacks of 9/11 to occur was written by Michael Meacher, former Environmental Minister of Great Britain."

hmmm..environmental minister?? cause he's an expert in intelligence gathering and analyzing. gimme a freakin break.

3/30/2004 1:00:31 PM

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

3/30/2004 1:57:02 PM

Screw it

[Edited on March 30, 2004 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 30, 2004 at 2:27 PM. Reason : screw it]

3/30/2004 2:10:18 PM

i worry for salisburyboy's health.

3/31/2004 12:02:17 PM

"Two roads diverged in a wood...
I took the one less travelled by, and
that has made all the difference."

--Robert Frost

3/31/2004 12:37:16 PM

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3/31/2004 12:47:29 PM

"Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think that you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

[Edited on March 31, 2004 at 1:45 PM. Reason : "]

3/31/2004 1:45:32 PM

i worry that salisburyboy will one day, in person, say something to someone that he shouldnt and then have the living shit kicked out of him.

[Edited on March 31, 2004 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2004 1:47:05 PM

Russian MP claims US carried out September 11 attacks

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_418949.html

quote:

""The United States is responsible. All the terror has been organised
by the United States. Osama (bin Laden) had nothing to do with it,"
he said.

Speaking through an interpreter, he added: "The United States, in order
to consolidate its efforts and to produce a coalition, needed to have
some sort of provocation in order to invoke Article 5 of the Nato treaty.
It is a new political technology to keep domination in the world."

Zhirinovsky says the war against terrorism is phoney and has been
triggered by an unstable US dollar, oil prices and a military industrial
complex that "needs an enemy".

"In the 20th century, there were some symbols to fight against, like
fascism and communism," he said. "They don't exist any more. Now
they have found such a symbol, which is terrorism, which has no borders,
which has no time limits."

3/31/2004 2:54:53 PM

so where is this commie bastard getting his info

3/31/2004 3:22:32 PM

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3/31/2004 3:36:42 PM

salisburyboy, what a great source you trust... are these the type of men you think have the best interest of the people in mind?

Quote :

"Zhirinovsky praised Adolf Hitler's ideology of National-Socialism in an Izvestia article. One of his books, "The Last Thrust to The South", advocates military aggression against Russia's Southern neighbors as a way of achieving political stability in the region. Vladimir Zhirinovsky made headlines by threatening to take Alaska back from the United States, nuke Japan, and flood Germany with radioactive waste."

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~dmiguse/Russian/vzbio.html

Ahh, now I see why you like him...

Quote :

"Zhirinovsky says that lies are acceptable in the name of lofty ideals. "

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2768/zhirinoe.html

4/1/2004 10:29:52 AM