^hidden straw-man is sometimes not so obvious calling other people straw-men

would you rather live in iraq today or 9 years ago?

12/29/2011 4:07:31 PM

again, depends on if you're a shiite or sunni

12/29/2011 4:30:32 PM

Neither. They both suck.

12/29/2011 4:54:33 PM

haha, top Bachmann aide switches to Paul camp. Details emerging.

12/29/2011 5:30:41 PM

um welcome to 12 hours ago?

12/29/2011 5:32:31 PM

Here's a really powerful ad put out by RevolutionPAC (not the RP campaign), entitled the "The Compassion of Dr. Ron Paul". Undeniable proof that Ron Paul is, indeed, a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

And his response after seeing the ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mB7SG5gpWAw

No grandstanding there, wow.

Ron Paul doesn't just talk about compassion or demand that the government be "compassionate" through the use of force as some do. Throughout his life he has served, rather than expecting others to pick up the slack.

[Edited on December 29, 2011 at 7:43 PM. Reason : ]

12/29/2011 7:38:52 PM

Wow.

So Ron Paul killed that white woman's baby because the father was black? And he couldn't even remember it... very sad.

12/29/2011 8:40:58 PM

I've had a Ron Paul bumper sticker on my car for over a year now.

There's another one in my parking lot.

On my ride home for Christmas I saw a huge sign for Ron Paul on the road.

At an expensive christmas party i conversed with several successful people who are voting for Ron Paul.

Many of my friends from high school, college, and work are voting for Ron Paul.

So much for not meeting them in real life. Maybe you hang out with poor people?

12/29/2011 9:47:27 PM

It's so sad that someone as batshit crazy as Paul is our last hope to avoid disaster and collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw
Ron Paul: "Theory of evolution...I don't accept it"

How'd this guy get his medical degree? They must have been using leaches to birth babies back in those dark ages. Premature contractions? I'll bet a good bloodletting will let those bad humors out and fix the expectant mother right up!

Surely there must be a better candidate that can step up once Paul isn't permitted to win the primary.

[Edited on December 29, 2011 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

12/29/2011 10:03:20 PM

i enjoyed this article:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/29/2566016/gop-establishment-wrong-to-disenfranchise.html

12/29/2011 10:17:18 PM

<---Not a real republican. Fortunately, they don't let the fake republicans go to the early party meetings where the candidates are actually chosen.

12/29/2011 10:21:38 PM

^^^ i don't think Paul is a young earth creationist, to be fair.

the fact that he might believe that the Christian God created the earth is not surprising or concerning in the grand scheme, if he's not pushing a literalist interpretation of the bible.

[Edited on December 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/29/2011 10:23:52 PM

It shows a deliberate and stubborn ignorance that is unacceptable for the leader of our country. It's as alarming as Bush bragging about not reading newspapers.

12/29/2011 10:26:53 PM

The statement that God created humanity is most likely shared by every president, and most world leaders throughout history.

that can't be the issue that changes your vote.

12/29/2011 10:30:56 PM

When he starts not believing in the "law of evolution", I'll get real concerned.

This ranks way down on my list of things I look for in a candidate.

1) Doesn't spend money like a drunk sailor, check
2) Respects the constitution, check
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4523) Believes in theory of evolution, fuck better vote for someone else

12/29/2011 10:31:24 PM

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"The statement that God created humanity is most likely shared by every president, and most world leaders throughout history."

Yeah but none of them actually believe it(they're megalomaniacs by definition, remember). It's just easier if the churches do your campaigning for you. If Paul says it he really believes it. Chew on that.

Let's imagine he gets elected. Congress will override every single Ron Paul veto. He will be completely ignored, and likely impeached if he tries anything interesting.

Quote :

"better vote for someone else"

[Edited on December 29, 2011 at 10:39 PM. Reason : .]

12/29/2011 10:33:37 PM

public outcry against congress (in support of paul) would be considerable.

12/29/2011 10:56:31 PM

What are they going to do? Protest in the streets? Ahahahah.

[Edited on December 29, 2011 at 10:59 PM. Reason : .]

12/29/2011 10:58:23 PM

The Post-Capitalist Society (1993) is a book by management professor and sociologist Peter Drucker.

Overview

The book states that the "First World Nations" and in particular the United States have entered in a Post-capitalism system of production where the capital is no longer present because it doesn't belongs to one person or family but to a series of organizations such as insurance companies, banks, etc. Because of this, normal citizens become virtually owners of the great American enterprises, being owners of the capital, therefore, not destroying but overcoming the capitalism. The book foresees that the post-capitalist society will become a society of organizations where every organization will be highly specialized in its particular field.

12/30/2011 7:08:22 PM

you ron paulians are slow to the punch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

12/31/2011 6:10:33 AM

^posted like 4-5 pages back. You're an idiot.

12/31/2011 10:48:51 AM

^^ they need to work on their voice over work... that was really cheesy.

12/31/2011 1:50:31 PM

that video had me until they said our actions will bankrupt us

we all know its social security and medicaid and our current debt and interest on debt that are bankrupting us

not war expenditures. again. such great ideas on paper. they just don't work in reality. and i'm glad even the most liberal president in 40 years agrees with me.

12/31/2011 4:25:39 PM

you must have been listening to a lot of Fox & Friends recently, because you are parrotting the hell out of their "good ideas on paper" line. and this is all despite the fact that you can't say how his ideas are actually bad. all you got is "good on paper, man, just like Dick Morris says so!"

1/1/2012 7:29:08 PM

^^Wait, have you actually looked at the federal budget?



You're correct that Social Security and Medicare will have to be dealt with, but so will the war spending. It's not an insignificant expenditure.

1/1/2012 8:35:34 PM

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"we all know its social security and medicaid and our current debt and interest on debt that are bankrupting us not war expenditures."

What? Defense spending, SS, and Medicare are the big 3. Maybe there's more that should be cut in the latter two than in defense, but defense spending is bankrupting us just the same.

Slashing SS and Medicare, dialing OEF back into a counterterrorism operation, maybe a few smallish cuts in the defense budget (I'm not sure we need 11 carrier battle groups, for example--hell, what if we just cut one? That's a good bit of money), and a buck here and there with welfare programs and stupid subsidies like oil and corn. All that would then further save a little more money on interest payments.

Keep the tax rates about where they're at for right now, but start closing loopholes and exemptions to increase some revenue (to include making some approach to dealing with very lot overall taxation rates of the extremely wealthy--maybe have LTCG and dividends above a certain generous level taxed at the marginal rate rather than at 15%).

1/1/2012 9:04:40 PM

I'm also curious as to whether or not things like veteran care is stored under defense or under health care. And I don't see a "discretionary" spending in destroyer's pie chart, which usually consists of over 50% defense spending as well...

Tax dollars going straight to Lockheed Martin and Blackwater, or Xe, or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days.

[Edited on January 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2012 9:31:05 PM

our defense spending is outrageously high and we should concentrate a greater portion into the internal workings of our country and the debt.

while I hate that america always ends up playing police, it is necessary to do that to a degree to maintain "superiority", but we can still manage that with a smaller budget.

hopefully bombing Iran, the ole GOP standby foreign affair answer, will not happen otherwise we will never get a smaller budget passed. Sometimes I wonder if that is the plan

1/1/2012 9:37:45 PM

The latest flavor of the month for the GOP.....Michelle Santorum probably will be the next one.......

Quote :

"The final Des Moines Register Iowa poll shows Mitt Romney and Ron Paul leading the pack with 24 and 22 percent respectively, followed by 15 percent for Rick Santorum, 12 percent for Newt Gingrich, 11 percent for Rick Perry and 7 percent for Michele Bachmann. But the pollsters report a twist: In the final two days of polling, Thursday and Friday nights, Romney still held a narrow lead (with 24 percent), but Santorum moved up to 21 percent, ahead of Paul at 18 percent."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/des-moines-register-poll-mitt-romney-lead_n_1178045.html?ref=@pollster




[Edited on January 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM. Reason : It will be a disaster for Ron Paul to finish third.]

1/1/2012 10:12:39 PM

Quote :

" Paul also defended a passage from the same book that suggested victims of sexual harassment should quit. "They have the right to work there or not work there," he said, adding that federal law does not need to cover sexual harassment as violence in the workplace is already prohibited. "

o.O

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""The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim -- frequently a victim of his own lifestyle -- but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care," he wrote. ... "Why should they have to pay for the consequences?" he said. Paul called that idea a "socialistic attitude" and said insurance companies should determine coverage. "The market should handle this[like smokers. ]," he said. "

A large portion of health issues are because people don't live perfectly healthy lifestyles, Paul is going to generate some really negative soundbites if someone pushes him to describe cancer patients or stroke or alzheimer patients the same way.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/01/paul-defends-book-passage-on-aids-patients-says-iowa-support-strong/

[Edited on January 1, 2012 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2012 11:04:35 PM

Just like racism, the market will settle any sexual harassment issues.

1/1/2012 11:16:59 PM

Last major poll before the caucuses.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/headed-for-a-photo-finish-in-iowa.html

1/2/2012 12:02:34 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDsdZMk4m5Q&feature=player_embedded

Quote :

"The Jim Crow laws obviously we had to get rid of and we're all better off for that and that is an important issue so I strongly supported that."

-Ron Paul

MSNBC Reports:

"He said the country was better off with Jim Crow Laws."

This is very clearly slander. The fact that they can lie so blatantly indicates that Ron Paul is, once again, a major threat to them.

1/2/2012 2:01:46 PM

^ haha

man. seems that romney or paul poses a huge threat to the obamanator. it's obvious from that alone.

[Edited on January 2, 2012 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ,]

1/2/2012 2:33:09 PM

^^
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/01/9871907-first-thoughts-breaking-down-the-final-iowa-poll

looks like they corrected their typo (with -> without)

LOL @ slander accusations

When they start making typos like that in headlines, like Fox News used to do about Obama, i'll be concerned.

And Ron Paul did in fact say he wouldn't have voted for the Civil Rights act. Saying he's against "Jim Crow Laws" is just his way of weaseling out of the issue.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/05/ron_paul_would_have_voted_against_civil_rights_act.html


[Edited on January 2, 2012 at 5:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2012 5:22:11 PM

I wouldn't call that "weaseling out".

1/2/2012 6:16:00 PM

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"looks like they corrected their typo (with -> without) LOL @ slander accusations"

I doubt it's a typo. It's pretty hard to accidentally accuse someone of supporting Jim Crow laws.

Quote :

"And Ron Paul did in fact say he wouldn't have voted for the Civil Rights act. Saying he's against "Jim Crow Laws" is just his way of weaseling out of the issue."

Did you not look at the interview? He says it could have been done in a better way.

1/2/2012 6:18:12 PM

Quote :

"I doubt it's a typo. It's pretty hard to accidentally accuse someone of supporting Jim Crow laws. "

huh? It's pretty hard to type "with" instead of "without"?? that's probably done at least 10x per day on TWW. They corrected it, and put an editors note inline noting the correction (not the stealth edits that Fox is known for). MSNBC screwed up, but they handled the situation appropriately. We'll see if it happens again.

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"Did you not look at the interview? He says it could have been done in a better way. "

His "better way" being "wait and see what happens" ie do nothing.

1/2/2012 6:24:47 PM

Quote :

"His "better way" being "wait and see what happens" ie do nothing."

No, in this case, that's not what it means at all. Parts of the Civil Right Act were perfectly justified and should have been passed, others were not.

1/2/2012 7:28:23 PM

LOL

what a meaningless, pedantic statement. You can literally apply that to anything, ever.

It's good though that Ron Paul has the magical secret to please all of the people, all of the time.

1/2/2012 9:51:01 PM

by politician standards, I don't think he particularly gives a shit about pleasing anyone any of the time, hahaha...he's pretty rigidly set on doing what he think is the dream solution, and what is strictly permissible within the law (when unfortunately, we've ignored the law so much for so long that we've made that impossible), damn everything else.

1/2/2012 11:02:37 PM

moron is really swinging for the fences trying to defend msnbc lol

1/2/2012 11:10:36 PM

What I wonder about, though, is that it seems odd that Fox seems to have lots of "typos" and "mistakes" that slant right, and MSNBC has them that slant left.

Confirmation bias? Subconscious input? Intentional, nefarious smear-job journalism?

1/2/2012 11:12:57 PM

^painfully obvious? ha


why does ron paul always dodge the 'what if xyz attacked xyz' questions? is he really that much of an extreme isolationist?

if he doesn't dodge those questions send me some info here.

1/2/2012 11:35:57 PM

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I'm lost.

1/2/2012 11:37:11 PM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/01/02/national/a163123S74.DTL&type=health
On caucus eve, Paul doesn't see himself president

1/3/2012 12:10:58 AM

Ron Paul is getting the Libertarian message out there, the way Barry Goldwater did 40-some years before. Paul's ideologically-pure message of non-intervention, reduced spending, and a return to the Constitutional concepts of limited governance and protection of civil liberties has resonated with younger voters, and in the years to come we will likely see an adoption of his more palatable policies within the GOP platform.

1/3/2012 2:46:51 AM

Quote :

"What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? I'm lost."

Um, it's the ron paul thread and I asked a question about ron paul and not argue like a little bitch like everybody else???

Is that bad? lol fuck this place.

1/3/2012 6:41:06 AM

The Drudge Report Caucus is very interesting:

http://polldaddy.com/poll/5809156/

Paul 30%
Romney 25%
Santorum 17%
Gingrich 12%

1/3/2012 3:22:35 PM

^i'd be interested to see that poll w/ only gingrich, santorum, romney, and paul...would be a little different probably...i would see romney and paul more even, but probably paul still leading

1/3/2012 3:37:37 PM