What rights did I have with physical media other than selling it when I was done?

4/2/2010 2:52:55 PM

I dunno about you, but I used to put all my CDs/DVDs in a giant pile, get naked, and start dan..........errrrrrr nevermind

4/2/2010 2:58:30 PM

4/2/2010 3:05:39 PM

iPad friendly websites that use HTML5 for video content. CNN, Flickr & Vimeo included.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/

4/2/2010 3:34:22 PM

^WOW!!!! TWELVE SITES!!!!

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"What rights did I have with physical media other than selling it when I was done?"

Well for one I can play it on whatever device I want to.

VV and lend to friends

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 3:39:29 PM

i dont know if this has been asked or not, but...

do iphone/touch apps work on the ipad?

4/2/2010 3:39:49 PM

I like being able to lend a movie to a friend, personally.

^ yes

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM. Reason : *]

4/2/2010 3:40:14 PM

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"^WOW!!!! TWELVE SITES!!!!"

umm...lol? Should I be impressed that you can count?

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"Well for one I can play it on whatever device I want to."

i can too with digital distribution without having to deal with clunky media.


[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 3:42:22 PM

Should I be impressed that a device is compatible with 12 internet sites?

4/2/2010 3:43:07 PM

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"Should I be impressed that a device is compatible with 12 internet sites?"

No, but WE should be disturbed that you think these are the only 12 sites compatible with the iPad.

besides, there are only 14 sites on the internet as a whole. TWW just doesn't do video so they didn't feel the need to mention it.


[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 3:45:37 PM

If you have to create a dedicated page to tell people what sites are iPad compatible, it's not saying much when you only have 12.

To me it just says, 'We don't like flash and we're making it work. Here are the sites that have bought into this mentality:"

I love how when I insult a product or a brand, Golovko insults me.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 3:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 3:52:11 PM

It's unfortunate that while talking about the "latest web standards", Apple is pushing people to use incomplete and still questionable standards just to get video working on their products.

Though I've made no secret of my current contempt for HTML5 video with my posts here on TWW, so just throw this on that pile.

4/2/2010 3:52:42 PM

If its not supported by IE, its not a web standard.

4/2/2010 4:16:58 PM

^^^ Dude, it's just marketing, nothing more or less. If it helps Apple sell some iPads, great. If it gets people interested in visiting those sites on their new iPad, great. Does it really have to be more complicated than that? If anything, Apple's running behind on updating that list... there have been literally dozens of sites that have started to tout that they're iPad-ready in the past couple of days. This isn't a point worth arguing over.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 4:34:52 PM

^Its because its Apple. People love to waste their time hating over Apple for no other reason then thats just what you do. Apple has changed significantly over the last decade and most 'nerds' can't come to terms with that...they still think its the same Apple we all hated on in high school and earlier. (that is if you graduated high school 10+ years ago).

I for one fully admit that I was just as bad if not worse when it came to hating everything that is Apple. I did have limited experience on Macintosh computers pre-OS X and hated every minute of it.

Like all Apple products, the iPad isn't for everyone but it will appeal to the masses. If you don't like the device why go out of your way to make it a point that you don't like it? I generally don't waste my time posting in threads about shit I don't care about or have no interest in using (i.e. android. Unless of course I'm bored and just want to piss in someones corn flakes).

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 4:39:38 PM

i think the reason people hate apple has changed over the past 10 years, too

but this fucking thing is going to be a huge success. can't wait for second gen.

people that are getting bent out of shape aren't the target market, so its okay, go ahead and go play on your netbooks. apple will get you some other way, if they haven't yet.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 5:37:46 PM

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"Well I understand that POV from a creative industry professional. But I don't see how that helps the consumer. From the consumer POV I lose my rights to trade, sell, or give content away. I essentially no longer own any content really, my device owns the content. Cost doesn't decrease for the digital media, in fact they keep the same cost or increase cost and take more rights away. Look at the most recent development in CD's, physical media prices have dropped, yet if I buy a CD I can do whatever I want with it pretty much."

It helps the consumer in the long run because it eliminates the distributor as a content decision maker. Honestly I just don't buy the "I love my rights" argument. If it's digital you can do whatever you want with it, you can convert it, share it, swap it, save it, duplicate it. It might be HARDER to do that with some services than others, but I think this is a red herring argument.

Even with iTunes, my music I can get DRM free, my videos I can freely convert to a format of choice and put them wherever I choose, with Apps I can always saved, redownload and redistribute them to any device they are supported on.

The sharing thing is a misnomer to me. People SAY they want to share things, but honestly there are TONS of channels to do this already. Youtube works for any visual or auditory medium to share with someone else so they don't have to buy the thing before they know what it is. If you mean sharing as in "I want to give this to someone else so they can experience it for free on the back of my payment" I just totally disagree. People should pay for their consumption of content, plain and simple.

It's the only model that is sustainable long-term to keep creative people creating new and interesting things. Otherwise we get into the shitty cycles we are slowly working our way out of today. I for one would GLADLY (and have) given up my "rights" to own, share and resell content in exchange for not having sensationalist journalism, shitty cable "news" pundits, the monopoly of mainstream radio and music, and the proliferation of fluff book popularity.

Getting things for free, means people are making things for free. We live in a world of money, and that just doesn't work.

4/2/2010 6:23:01 PM

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"If you mean sharing as in "I want to give this to someone else so they can experience it for free on the back of my payment" I just totally disagree. People should pay for their consumption of content, plain and simple."

So you don't believe in lending things out to friends or family? Like if your parents come over and see The First Season of Obscure Show #1, you're going to tell them "No, you can't borrow that. Buy it yourself."?

4/2/2010 6:35:44 PM

^I've yet to have a single instance where that situation has been a problem in real life.

Mostly because I don't hoard things. If my parents see the first season of Obscure Show #1, and they want to see more of it, they just go home and queue it up on netflix, on their TWC On-Demand, or on Hulu.

This "sharing" model assumes that none of your friends/family use digital distribution platforms. When everyone does (which, by and large, they do), this notion isn't really relevant anymore.

My parent's wouldn't know how to "digitally" borrow something anyhow. They barely understand the concept of digital storage, much less media format for device dependency. But they sure as hell understand Netflix, On-Demand, and Hulu/Youtube

4/2/2010 6:54:48 PM

Okay, so can we get back on topic now?


Is anyone camping out for one? Speak up!


(disclaimer: I am not camping out.)

4/2/2010 6:58:39 PM

^^ I remember a time long ago when I would borrow video games and movies from friends. With an exception I haven't done this in forever or had someone ask to borrow something.

Maybe a console game here and there but certainly not movies.

^I will be camping out on my front porch waiting for Mr. Brown to deliver it.

[Edited on April 2, 2010 at 7:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/2/2010 7:43:00 PM

I lend movies often. I let my friend borrow a few seasons of scrubs and I am currently borrowing Watchmen from another friend.

Music? Not so much. But books and movies hell yeah.

4/2/2010 8:39:45 PM

I would like someone to comment tomorrow if the durham apple store has a display/demo ipad. I might stop by if so. I for one am waiting for the 3g model.

4/2/2010 9:44:57 PM

Yeah, I guess the 3G models dont come out for a few more weeks, right?

I would probably get it for development reasons if they had them tomorrow ...

4/2/2010 9:56:43 PM

^ Is the toolkit offered by Apple not sufficient to get started with development?

4/2/2010 9:59:48 PM

sure, to get started ... I mean for testing live ... mostly with gps features, for things things I have done.

Yeah, dev toolkit is pretty lacking

4/2/2010 10:10:49 PM

Noen I would love to know how to share or trade or sell my steam games, you sir haven't been in a gamestop recently have you, or seen kids share their DS games... Point is, there is a big market for reselling goods so people can get their money back for somethings they no longer need

4/2/2010 10:13:06 PM

end of the month. I can't imagine as many people bought the non 3g version as evidently have.

4/2/2010 10:14:32 PM

^^ It seems to me then that the answer is not lamenting the end of physical media and freaking out over DRM (as Doctorow is wont to do), but rather encouraging and asking for the development of "sharing" capabilities for digital media. And not the shitty zune "squirting" type sharing. Something akin to digital copies of your media (whether books, games or movies) encrypted using one time expiring keys or something like that. For example, you decide you want to lend an eBook to someone, so you choose to share it for say 25 days or something like that. You send, from your device to theirs, the encrypted media and the key, which they must use to access the media each time, and which when it expires simply doesn't decode the media any more. Hell maybe it even offers you the chance to buy it then and there.

Sure the content producers will freak out because your buddy can break the encryption (maybe) or extract the decrypted information on the fly, but ultimately, if you and your buddy are intent on doing that, the fact that they lock you down a bit on the iPad isn't really stopping you.

The other problem of course is that it still requires some common software / app / interface to make this all work, but that I think isn't such a big deal these days if that interface is free / open.

Ultimately though, this isn't going to come from Universal or EMI or Time Warner or any of the big companies that you want your media from. It's going to have to come from independent publishers, maybe a group of web comic publishers or something, with a common app to distribute eBooks that supports such sharing. Only by being proven in an "invaluable" market will such technology ever be accepted by larger content producers. Ironically, I think the competition Apple now faces in the digital distribution game means they aren't in a position to twist distributors arms into accepting a sharing system in the same way they twisted their arms for fixed, cheap pricing way back when.

4/2/2010 10:47:25 PM

So I went driving a little while ago here in Conservative Station, TX, and found that the local Apple reseller was closed all day today, apparently in preparation for "celebrating the iPad" tomorrow.

Do they think this is like a furniture store having a clearance sale? Apple stores are not like a mini mall.

4/2/2010 10:49:13 PM

^I'm trying to make some sense of your post but am unable to...what exactly IS your point and why are you so upset about it?

4/3/2010 12:21:28 AM

nothing more than expressing my amusement over a small-time shop using it as an excuse to be closed for Good Friday.

4/3/2010 12:24:18 AM

I would hardly call apple stores 'small time shops' but to each his own.

4/3/2010 12:26:26 AM

I said local Apple reseller. College Station isn't big enough to have an actual Apple retail presence.

4/3/2010 12:27:21 AM

My mistake...I overlooked the reseller part. Is it like a mom and pop shop? I've never heard of apple resellers outside of the Apple Store and Best Buys. Back in the day it was CompUSA. I know Apple is such a stickler about granting stores to sell their shit without the proper 'training'

4/3/2010 12:30:47 AM

They really exist...

http://www.mac-resource.com/

And I'd know, god help me. I've spent probably a combined hour of my life in one of their stores waiting for them to fill out purchase paperwork for various work-related purchases.

4/3/2010 12:33:04 AM

oh yeah didn't think of college/student stores

4/3/2010 12:33:54 AM

At least there are no campout lines around here. Too bad, too, the weather here is perfect.

4/3/2010 12:36:09 AM

So who on here was saying a desktop background was a bad UI decision?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/03/apple-ipad-review/

So yeah a big iPhone. Maybe OS 4.0 will fix a lot of issues.

4/3/2010 10:02:18 AM

Command & Conquer on the iPad

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/command-conquer-red-alert/id363317738?mt=8


^that was me and the discussion was on the iPhone after someone posted a screenshot of their painful to look at home screen.

4/3/2010 10:04:26 AM

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" What's your favorite phone? The iPhone, because of the apps. By the way, I solved the problem of battery life and [the lack of] multitasking on the iPhone. Really? Yeah. I just have two iPhones, so if the battery runs down on the first one, I can use the other. And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that."

The Wisdom of Woz
http://www.newsweek.com/id/235567

That's a pretty fucking hilarious insult to the iPhone.

4/3/2010 10:14:02 AM

Quote :

"^that was me and the discussion was on the iPhone after someone posted a screenshot of their painful to look at home screen."

So i'm assuming if implemented well, a desktop background is alright IYO? As on the iPad? I shopped the one on my iPhone to resemble the iPad background (faded so you can see the icons).

-c and c would be awesome on the iPad. As would Sim City. I might consider getting one of these.

Question. There's only a gps on the 3g models? Not the wifi only models? I'm assuming the AGPS chip is bundled with the 3g chip?

[Edited on April 3, 2010 at 10:18 AM. Reason : a]

4/3/2010 10:17:11 AM

I haven't received my iPad yet still waiting on UPS...so i'll get back to you. But on a desktop on my Mac its fine because the icons on the desktop aren't essential to see and regardless of the background the dock is always clear. The iPhone is a different story because of the limit size.

Quote :

" And if I'm talking on one, I can use the other one to look something up. You would not believe how much use I get out of that."

I can see this being an insult if he were on Verizon but with AT&T you can use 3g while talking on the phone.



^the wifi model apparently uses wifi for location? or so i read.

[Edited on April 3, 2010 at 10:21 AM. Reason : .]

4/3/2010 10:18:32 AM

^Yeah just like the iPod touch. So for full GPS you need the 3G model.

4/3/2010 10:26:30 AM

a look inside the ipad

4/3/2010 10:32:58 AM

ROFL

4/3/2010 10:36:02 AM

lol... nice.

I found a new reason this morning to pull the trigger and buy one at the local reseller: going paperless at work.

4/3/2010 10:50:36 AM

just picked it up... but no time to play, have to meet realtor to look at condos

4/3/2010 11:21:28 AM

just got mine. about to open it up.

4/3/2010 11:24:03 AM

ok, opened it... so light that what I thought was part of the packaging was the ipad itself hahaha

4/3/2010 11:25:19 AM