I really dislike Holder, but that article is just complete crap.

8/25/2014 4:30:19 PM

Yes, I'm somewhat skeptical about that website

8/25/2014 4:32:36 PM

I didn't even feel a need to click the link...

[Edited on August 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM. Reason : obviously a joke post]

8/25/2014 4:37:16 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/25/ferguson_officer_hog_tying_lawsuit_mcdonald_s_policeman_accused_of_aggression.html

Quote :

"One of the Ferguson police officers who arrested a reporter for failing to leave a McDonald's earlier this month is being sued for allegedly choking and "hog-tying" a 12-year-old boy, the Huffington Post says. (The HuffPo writer who was arrested, Ryan J. Reilly, is co-bylined on the report.) The incident occurred when the officer, Justin Cosma, worked for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. According to a lawsuit filed in 2012 in Missouri federal court, Justin Cosma and another officer, Richard Carter, approached a 12-year-old boy who was checking the mailbox at the end of his driveway in June 2010. ... The pair asked the boy if he'd been playing on a nearby highway, and he replied no, according to the lawsuit. Then, the officers "became confrontational" and intimidated the child, the lawsuit claims. "Unprovoked and without cause, the deputies grabbed [the boy], choked him around the neck and threw him to the ground," it says. The boy was shirtless at the time, and allegedly "suffered bruising, choke marks, scrapes and cuts across his body." Cosma and Carter, the suit alleges, then accused the 12-year-old of resisting arrest and assaulting a law enforcement officer, charges that were not pursued by the county prosecutor. Another Ferguson officer, Eddie Boyd III, left the St. Louis Police Department after credible accusations that he had pistol-whipped a 12-year-old girl and a boy who was a high school freshman, HuffPo reported last week."

8/25/2014 4:45:04 PM

^^ conservatives don't really get sarcasm.

http://happynicetimepeople.com/researchers-find-empathy-linked-childrens-understanding-sarcasm-yeah-right/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/colbert-study-conservativ_n_191899.html

[Edited on August 25, 2014 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2014 4:47:05 PM

^

8/25/2014 4:50:25 PM

^ i still can't remember if it's part of mexico or cali without googling

8/25/2014 4:52:26 PM

National Report is a satire site

but its funny because it got passed around a bunch of conservative websites (and onto my Facebook feed) because conservatives didn't know that and were oblivious to how ridiculous it was

8/25/2014 4:55:35 PM

Conservatives are truly the only idiots on Facebook.

Try harder.

8/25/2014 4:58:31 PM

GOLO

8/25/2014 4:58:57 PM

I think Raleigh PD is actually pretty good by comparison to some other departments

but all cops are guilty of looking the other way and protecting corrupt cops

so fuck Raleigh PD

fuck all police

8/25/2014 9:29:13 PM

http://www.teabreakfast.com/cnn-michael-brown-murder-audio/

CNN claims to have audio of the shots, with 10 shots audible. This would tend to lend more credence to the witness' stories rather than Wilson's.

However, this would be easy to fake, so I hope CNN did their legwork to validate the video.

8/26/2014 1:42:30 AM

I'm hanging my hat on "real" at this point though.

8/26/2014 2:31:09 AM

Being quick to judge again.

The first series of shots could have been meant to stop Brown. When they didn't, that could be why we hear the last four shots.

Also, where is the alleged shot in the car? Did the audio start recording after that occured?

And kudos to the dude doing the recording, to hear 10 shots that sound like they are right outside your house, and don't even stop recording.

8/26/2014 10:02:47 AM

Is it common police procedure to shoot six warning shots?

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 10:07 AM. Reason : nm, you mean stop him, as in taking him down.]

8/26/2014 10:07:31 AM

The first series were meant to kill him, and when they didn't do that, the last 4 were to really kill him

8/26/2014 10:12:21 AM

I was speaking with a police officer a few days ago and was asking him questions about this issue, and I asked if it were possible that he was just that horrible of a shot trying to give shots to wound, not kill, and he said that they are not trained to maim, that if they intend to shoot, then it is to be lethal.

I would think that if there is a threat, then you could try to hit someone in the knee to stop a threat. But I think I'm letting hollywood cloud my train of thought here. When you're a police officer, and adrenaline is kicking in, are you really going to be able to hit someone in the knee? Or arm? That could be why they train that if they pull the trigger, it is for lethal force.

8/26/2014 10:14:13 AM

...or the first 6 were to kill Brown. The second 4 were actually aimed at the other guy.


Who the fuck knows. If these really were Wilson's recorded shots, he is going to have some 'splainin to do about the gap. It just seems to throw more shade at the whole situation.

8/26/2014 10:18:32 AM

Yea, I just see this as going either way as far as whose side it supports. If you hadn't listened to the audio though, the gap was very brief.

8/26/2014 10:22:10 AM

Quote :

"I would think that if there is a threat, then you could try to hit someone in the knee to stop a threat. But I think I'm letting hollywood cloud my train of thought here. When you're a police officer, and adrenaline is kicking in, are you really going to be able to hit someone in the knee? Or arm? That could be why they train that if they pull the trigger, it is for lethal force."

that is hollywood thinking. you are correct that they are difficult shots, but what you missed is that a gun is lethal force. lethal force is justified only when its needed to protect yourself or someone else, so when lethal force is needed then lethal force should be used, that means firing at the best target presented which is generally center mass. a gun should not be used for less-than-lethal defense, if you do not need to use lethal force to stop a threat then you should not be shooting at them.

8/26/2014 10:23:27 AM

don't point it at anything you don't intend to kill

8/26/2014 10:51:33 AM

The gap is roughly just under 3 seconds. I was wondering if it was a reload of a new full magazine? Also, we have no idea which of the 10 or 11 shots were the 6 that hit Brown. If he was hit and trying to surrender at pause and Wilson fired again that is potentially damning. Of course without video we won't know.

8/26/2014 10:58:21 AM

Quote :

"and he said that they are not trained to maim, that if they intend to shoot, then it is to be lethal. "

DERP DERP DERPITY DERP

Isn't this common knowledge by this point?

8/26/2014 10:58:53 AM

this case is a great example of why every police agency and union should be fighting as hard as they can to put cameras on every officer. If Wilson did everything right a video could quickly clear him and defuse the situation, and if he did anything wrong the department should want him retrained, out of his position or prosecuted (depending on what it was that he did wrong).

At least that's how it would be in bizzaro world where police agencies and unions want to protect the public and not themselves

8/26/2014 11:06:42 AM

Quote :

"why every police agency and union should be fighting as hard as they can to put cameras on every officer"

LAWL you've lost your mind.

These people don't even have dash cams.

8/26/2014 11:09:50 AM

coworker made a good point:
"If you want rich white people to be upset, just show them how many dogs police officers shoot. Rich white people don't give a damn about a poor black kid, but they will walk as many 5K's as it takes to save pets"

8/26/2014 11:13:40 AM

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've read in a long, long time. Congrats on that.

8/26/2014 11:15:31 AM

rich white people love rescuing dogs

8/26/2014 11:16:03 AM

In the arms of an angel.

8/26/2014 11:20:07 AM

Quote :

" ...or the first 6 were to kill Brown. The second 4 were actually aimed at the other guy. Who the fuck knows. If these really were Wilson's recorded shots, he is going to have some 'splainin to do about the gap. It just seems to throw more shade at the whole situation. "

It's new info to me that there were more shots fires than hit brown, which is what the initial witness testimony says.

Could be brown was running away and Wilson was shooting and missing, and then that's when brown turned around and put his hands up not wanting to get shot, and then was killed. This would be consistent with witness accounts as well as the autopsy. I'm not sure what would justify deadly force against someone running away from you that was just jaywalking.

Wilson hasn't put out an official statement, nor has the police department, so we only have the friends of Wilson and the auto spy to speculate on how things played out from his perspective.

But there hasn't been anything so far majorly contradictory of the many witness accounts that have come out.

8/26/2014 11:38:12 AM

I think the only thing this audio proves is that Wilson doesn't need to own a firearm, because he's a horrible shot.

And can we get this thread moved to TSB so synapse will stop posting in it? He's trolling his own forum.

8/26/2014 11:52:14 AM

My own forum? This place doesn't belong to me, and this isn't even my section.

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM. Reason : If you don't wanna hang out, socialize, and just generally screw around go back to the GOLO of TWW]

8/26/2014 11:53:27 AM

Quote :

"Yea, I just see this as going either way as far as whose side it supports."

Is Wilson's story that brown was charging him, that's why he shot?

I can't imagine someone charging someone that is actively shooting at them, that just doesn't make any sense, and if wilson didn't start shooting until after he was charging him, the pause in the gunfire doesn't make sense, this gives even more credence to the multiple witness accounts from people not possibly facing murder charges IMO

8/26/2014 12:03:10 PM

We don't know Wilson's story, we only know hearsay about Wilson's story.

8/26/2014 12:14:05 PM

^^^My bad, I thought you were one of the mods for chit chat

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 12:21 PM. Reason : ^]

8/26/2014 12:20:41 PM

Quote :

"Is Wilson's story that brown was charging him"

Who fucking knows. Police haven't released their version of events.

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 12:26 PM. Reason : cause that's not sketchy]

8/26/2014 12:26:40 PM

Seriously, how have they not even released their version of events? Is the "investigation" still ongoing?

And has it been established who this "friend" was who released their version? And where that version came from?

8/26/2014 12:32:30 PM

Quote :

"Seriously, how have they not even released their version of events?"

Inorite? It's been over 2 fucking weeks.

We don't need an investigation at this point.

We just need them to tell us their version of the events

8/26/2014 12:34:15 PM

They're waiting for the evidence to come up with a plausible explanation, because they don't want to be caught in a blatant lie.

I read something that claimed this was the first murder in the Ferguson area this year.

8/26/2014 2:52:15 PM

except its not a murder yet you inflammatory piece of shit

8/26/2014 3:09:13 PM

What I dont understand is the very beginning of the supposed story.
According to the main witness, the officer grabbed him by the neck and tried to pull him into the car....

What sane person, or insane even, tries to pull a 6'4" 300lb person into the car. How did he even reach the guys neck if he is in the car?

Does not compute.

8/26/2014 3:15:11 PM

the main witness also claimed he just met up with Brown a couple minutes earlier because he saw him in the street, even though there is video footage of the two robbing a convenience store together 30 minutes prior. His whole story, at least what he told the media, has to be discredited.

8/26/2014 3:27:25 PM

has it been confirmed that the witness is the same person in the video?

if so, I haven't seen it

8/26/2014 3:29:53 PM

And why should this lady's description be discredited?

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word-with-lawrence-odonnell/watch/eyewitness-to-brown-shooting-tells-her-story-318326851993

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 3:34 PM. Reason : $$$]

8/26/2014 3:33:59 PM

^^^^ witnesses have been saying the murderous cop was grabbing his shirt.

That seems like something that would be easy to verify if they had access to the victim's clothes, but that was squirreled away early on.

^^ supposedly the friend has tacitly admitted that was them in the video... not sure where i saw this though.

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 3:35 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2014 3:34:58 PM

Quote :

" His whole story, at least what he told the media, has to be discredited."

Obviously, but that doesn't stop people from bringing it up over and over again ITT.

8/26/2014 4:02:14 PM

it will be interesting to find out the statement the friend gives to the FBI and how it differs from what he told the media that day.

8/26/2014 5:15:08 PM

what about the eyewitness of the girl who has no connection?

8/26/2014 6:22:02 PM

^Which one? All these eyewitness accounts are starting to run together.

8/26/2014 6:58:51 PM

the one that was just posted

(i mean eyewitnesses in general are not that reliable in general, but I'm not seeing the obvious significant problems with the eyewitness reports that eluesis sees)

[Edited on August 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2014 7:36:49 PM