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7/21/2007 4:12:21 PM

the category is:





PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU

7/21/2007 4:29:51 PM

7/21/2007 10:03:52 PM

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"just sucks that one of the most exciting athletes in the world might be shutdown for part of the season over off the field incidents..."

there are like at least 3 things wrong with that statement

1)he hasnt been exciting for a few years now
2)it doesnt suck
3)you spelled felony wrong

7/22/2007 4:11:06 AM

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"federal prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate."

Not exactly. Federal prosecutors have a 87% conviction rate. Fed prosecutors in the eastern district of Virginia have a 78% conviction rate. Couple that with the fact that Vick will undoubtedly have the best lawyers money can buy, Vick is hardly "done for."

But... with a high profile defendant like Vick, one would hope that the feds have all their ducks in a row, but we'll see.

If convicted he is looking at a year, maybe a year and a half, in prison.

The good news is with the new NFL commish's stance on thuggery, it may be a long time before we see Vick play football again.


[Edited on July 22, 2007 at 11:12 AM. Reason : blah]

7/22/2007 11:10:53 AM

^see problem that Vick will have is that if he is found guilty of any federal charges, he is going to have to face state charges as well. He has a long road ahead of him.

7/22/2007 1:20:24 PM

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""just sucks that one of the most exciting athletes in the world might be shutdown for part of the season over off the field incidents...""

an off the field incident is a car accident, being too drunk in a bar, etc.

he is being charged with pretty big crimes

7/22/2007 2:06:32 PM

they may be big crimes to some people but to me they aren't...


it's just dogfighting right? what that referee did was much worse, he was fucking with the integrity of the game.

Now if i found out Mike Vick was fixing the dog fights then i'd be pissed because his credibility would be completely lost.

7/22/2007 4:34:25 PM

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"they may be big crimes to some people but to me they aren't"

doesnt matter what they are to you...its the law
period

7/22/2007 6:35:35 PM

Hopefully Vick will just take a year off from football to clear his head while this case is being settled.

It'll be kinda like when David Stern urged Michael Jordan to take some time off from the NBA while his gambling buzz died down.

In the meantime Vick needs to work on finding some more legal hobbies. He needs to stay kinda low key and stay away from the thug shit like dogfighting and weed.

He needs to find some new outlets other than weed, dogs, and hoes because his vices are causing him too many problems between the STD's, legal battles, etc

He should really study more film and come back ready to take the NFL by storm. It's sad to see such great natural football ability go to waste...

7/22/2007 8:13:29 PM

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"He should really study more film and come back ready to take the NFL by storm. It's sad to see such great natural football ability go to waste..."

people have been saying that since he got drafted

7/22/2007 8:57:30 PM

yea, hes not going to change


btw, vick sucks

7/22/2007 9:04:25 PM

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"He should really study more film and come back ready to take the NFL by storm. It's sad to see such great natural football ability go to waste..."

he'll be lucky if he ever gets a chance to come back at all

7/23/2007 2:18:30 AM

THE CLOSEST THING TO A SPORTS NATURAL DISASTER WE HAVE EVER SEEN

7/23/2007 4:22:12 PM

Brien Taylor ranks in that category.

7/23/2007 4:26:31 PM

I can't help but wonder if the FBI is probing into Clinton Portis' recreational outings over the past 5 yrs because of all this...

7/23/2007 4:54:45 PM

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"It'll be kinda like when David Stern urged Michael Jordan to take some time off from the NBA while his gambling buzz died down."

huge difference between playing cards and mrdering animals for sport

of course, you are clearly the biggest fucking moron in ST, so I'm sure that's lost on you

7/23/2007 5:33:39 PM

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"they may be big crimes to some people but to me they aren't... it's just dogfighting right? what that referee did was much worse, he was fucking with the integrity of the game. Now if i found out Mike Vick was fixing the dog fights then i'd be pissed because his credibility would be completely lost."

LOL. rally, do you really expect people to miss your sarcasm at this point?

7/23/2007 5:52:52 PM

Maybe Marcus Vick can take all the heat..............

7/23/2007 6:25:24 PM

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3856472&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

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"NEW YORK (July 23, 2007) -- Commissioner Roger Goodell has ordered Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons not to report to the team’s training camp pending the completion of an NFL review of his recent indictment by a federal grand jury in Richmond, Va., for allegedly participating in an interstate dog-fighting enterprise. Commissioner Goodell informed Vick that the review would be completed as soon as possible and that Vick’s full cooperation is expected. In a letter to Vick today, Commissioner Goodell said: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy." Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp. Commissioner Goodell also directed the Falcons today to withhold any contemplated team discipline regarding the Vick matter until the NFL review is completed."

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3856472&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

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"ATLANTA (FOX 5) – The NFL says that Michael Vick will be taking a leave of absence. Stay with FOX 5 News and myfoxatlanta.com for the latest."

7/23/2007 8:07:18 PM

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" NFL News Goodell orders Vick not to report to camp NFL.com wire reports NEW YORK (July 23, 2007) -- Commissioner Roger Goodell has ordered Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons not to report to the team’s training camp pending the completion of an NFL review of his recent indictment by a federal grand jury in Richmond, Va., for allegedly participating in an interstate dog-fighting enterprise. Commissioner Goodell informed Vick that the review would be completed as soon as possible and that Vick’s full cooperation is expected. In a letter to Vick today, Commissioner Goodell said: "While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy." Vick will not forfeit his preseason pay during his excused absence from training camp. Commissioner Goodell also directed the Falcons today to withhold any contemplated team discipline regarding the Vick matter until the NFL review is completed. "

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10266380

"I have two weapons...my legs, my arm and my brains." - Michael Vick

7/23/2007 8:14:45 PM

why did you feel the need to post the same thing twice using 2 different sources?

7/23/2007 8:48:47 PM

^first one didn't seem as credible to me. NFL.com is as credible as it gets.

7/23/2007 9:00:44 PM

so why even take the "we"ll let the legal system take it's course"?

just wait to see how much heat they will take before having to take that extra step?

7/24/2007 3:50:20 AM

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"LOL. rally, do you really expect people to miss your sarcasm at this point"

Theyve been missing it for 4-5 years on here.... its just lost on some people

7/24/2007 7:19:43 AM

I always wondered how he could call himself an avid sports viewer and think vick was a decent quarterback.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 8:14 AM. Reason : not marcus!11]

7/24/2007 8:14:12 AM

Falcons press conference on now.

7/24/2007 4:31:56 PM

yeah i've been watching the press conference - nothing major really

7/24/2007 4:32:51 PM

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"so why even take the "we"ll let the legal system take it's course"? just wait to see how much heat they will take before having to take that extra step?"

what job isnt going to ask you to at MINIMUM take a leave of absence when you get indicted in a 6 year federal investigation?

7/24/2007 4:34:12 PM

yeah, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing works on THE LEGAL SYSTEM not at YOUR JOB. If one of you were on a teen site soliciting, and you were caught and indicted, I'm sure you would be fired from your job.

7/24/2007 4:49:06 PM

^You can sue for unlawful termination. It's really hard to fire people these days. Even for something like this. They are protected unless the crime or punishment affects their performance.

Or the crime was committed at work.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 5:01 PM. Reason : edit]

7/24/2007 5:00:23 PM

^not in nc, you can be fired for any reason, no questions asked

7/24/2007 5:07:08 PM

you'd never win an unlawful termination suit in this case

7/24/2007 5:08:01 PM

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"You can sue for unlawful termination. It's really hard to fire people these days. Even for something like this. They are protected unless the crime or punishment affects their performance. Or the crime was committed at work. "

i am glad you guys responded to this before I did. Many people in NC do not realize that you can be fired in this state for pretty much anything aside from being discriminatory. So if an employer doesnt like your name, a shirt you wear to work, the fact that you assassinate dogs as a hobby.....you can get fired no questions asked. As long as they aren't firing you for being male, female, gay, black, white, puerto rican or mexican amongst other attributes you can be fired. Your boss can just walk up to you tomorrow and say hey you aren't right for this company b/c you smoke cigarettes for example and you have no job, no questions asked. It is amazing that some of you all ready are employed in this state and have no clue what your rights are as an employee. And in a right to work state like NC, there aren't many.

7/25/2007 4:20:51 AM

Getting off topic I know but...

Of course you can be fired for any reason. But being a Right to Work state doesn't mean you can't sue if you feel like you were fired for an unfair reason.

And winning the lawsuit isn't the point. Companies (I'm talking about large public companies which is who I work for) don't want to be sued and get their name in the paper for firing someone unfairly.

I've been through the process of trying to fire an engineer with 10 years experience. It took months of documenting reasons to fire the guy. Corporate lawyers were involved, etc. Everything was focused on avoiding a lawsuit.

The guy was a good employee but convicted of child molestation. His contention was it didn't affect his work. But everyone at work wanted to kill the guy.

7/25/2007 3:07:02 PM

I just read through the indictment, and "Bad Newz Kennells" (Vicks Kennell, owned and operated with three other guys) has only a decent track record. Winning only 9 out of 15 fights, 60%. They won $23,600 and lost $37,000. And from the indictment, I counted 15 known dead dogs, and they said there were 54 live dogs that looked as if they had been fought with.

7/25/2007 4:55:36 PM

^ Once again, you can't strictly look at the numbers when you're evaluating Vick.

He's never had great percentages(%). So to say he isn't a good kennel operator based on a small sample size of wins/losses isn't a good evaluation.

You have to also account for his rushing yards and how he helps his team win. Maybe his dogs didnt have good trainers or the general manager didnt sign/draft good dogs.

7/25/2007 6:20:51 PM

i see what you did there

7/25/2007 6:25:46 PM

^^ haha, that's good

Although, after reading the indictment, there has got to be more money on the line than just want was found. Makes you wonder how much he has won/lost on this shit!

I can only hope he gets prison time!

7/25/2007 11:16:34 PM

man this is hilarious. I can't believe people are so fucking stupid. Even if he wasn't as involved as the feds think, how can you be so stupid as to still hang around these people, much less let them live in your property. As far as I'm concerned he should be punished if only because he is so damn ignorant.

7/26/2007 11:14:02 AM

hes in trouble for dog fighting, probably goiing to be suspsended maybe even kicked out of the conference

7/26/2007 11:16:32 AM

^ oh, he's back . . . .

7/26/2007 11:19:02 AM

Heres a column by the esteemed writer, Deion Sanders. Maybe we can all learn a little about compasion from him.

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" Don’t be too quick to judge By Deion Sanders Originally published on July 22, 2007 I would’ve never thought Mike Vick, one of the NFL’s most exciting players — the man who makes the network execs smile every time he plays — would ever be indicted for crimes against man’s best friend. The potential impact could be devastating. He could lose millions worth of endorsements. Nike has already suspended the release of his new shoe. He could lose millions he was supposed to get from the Atlanta Falcons, if the club decides to cut him. That’s unlikely, but it could happen if he’s convicted or makes a plea arrangement. Or his reputation might wind up so stained that he’s never forgiven in the court of public opinion. That would be too bad for the 27-year-old superstar. This is all the result of perspective. What a dog means to Vick might be a lot different than what he means to you or I. Hold on, don’t start shaking your head just yet. Listen to me. Some people kiss their dogs on the mouth. Some people let their dogs eat from their plate. Some people dress their dogs in suits more expensive than mine, if you can believe that. And some people enjoy proving they have the biggest, toughest dog on the street. You’re probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. Maybe, he identified with them in some way. You can still choose to condemn him, but I’m trying to take you inside his mind so you can understand where he might be coming from. I’m sure all of the animal activists and Humane Society folks have a dart board with Vick’s picture in the center of it. And if he plays this season, PETA is going to picket every stadium where he plays. Still, I must ask the question: Where is all of this going? By now you’ve read all of the accusations about the cruelty involving the dogs — and I’m not just talking about their duels to the death. All of that is enough to make me cringe because I have three highly-trained protection German shepherds, just in case someone wants to rob my family. Believe me, you don’t want to deal with them. With one German command, our dog Yascho turns into Cujo. And for the record, I live around the corner from the police station, so it won’t take them long to show up and save you from the dogs. Now back to Vick. Why are we indicting him? Was he the ringleader? Is he the big fish? Or is there someone else? The fights allegedly occurred at a property that he purchased for a family member. They apparently found carcasses on the property, but I must ask you again, is he the ringleader? This situation reminds me of a scene in the movie “New Jack City,” when drug dealer Nino Brown is on the witness stand and eloquently says, “This thing is bigger than me.” Are we using Vick to get to the ringleader? Are we using him to bring an end to dogfighting in the United States? The only thing I can gather from this situation is that we’re using Vick. Was he wrong? Absolutely. Was he stupid? Can’t argue with that. Was he immature? No doubt. But is he the ringleader? I just can’t see it. I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion. The allure is the intensity and the challenge of a dog fighting to the death. It’s like ultimate fighting, but the dog doesn’t tap out when he knows he can’t win. It reminds me of when I wore a lot of jewelry back in the day because I always wanted to have the biggest chain or the biggest, baddest car. It gives you status. Can I pause for a moment to ask you a question? Who shot Darrant Williams? Remember the Denver Bronco cornerback? I’m just more concerned about bringing to justice someone who killed a human. Or finding out who broke into Miami Heat forward Antoine Walker’s home, tied him up and robbed him at gunpoint. We’re attacking this dogfighting ring the same way a teenager attacks his MySpace page after school (by the way parents, make sure you monitor your kids). We should have the same passion for man that we have for man’s best friend. The reason this is turning into a three-ring circus is that baseball is boring, basketball is months away, football is around the corner and we in the media don’t have a thing interesting to write about. How will this end up? I have no idea. All I know is Falcons fans better pray because Vick’s backup is Joey Harrington. Enough said. God bless and God willing I’ll hollah at you next week. — Deion Sanders, a North Fort Myers High School graduate, played in the NFL and Major League Baseball. He works as an analyst for the NFL Network and is part-owner of the Austin Wranglers of the Arena Football League. "

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770722009

7/26/2007 1:08:50 PM

This is seems to be an accurate portrayal of the situation, but at the same time, it all boils down to this...did Vick own the property? YES Did Vick know about the dogfighting on his property? YES Did Vick illegally gamble on dogs? YES Did Vick knowingly do all of this? YES Did Vick commit crimes against the state? YES Is all of this proveable in court? MAYBE I hope that every juror is a member of PETA and Vick serves time in a Federal Pen.

7/26/2007 1:33:54 PM

Deon, once again, proves that he needs more education. I was listening to ESPN radio and some of the callers came to the defense of deon. Then to the defense of Vick. Is it me or is this thing more divided on racial lines than people actually want to admit.

7/26/2007 1:42:00 PM

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"hes in trouble for dog fighting, probably goiing to be suspsended maybe even kicked out of the conference "

he's probably going to jail

7/26/2007 2:35:39 PM

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"Can I pause for a moment to ask you a question? Who shot Darrant Williams? Remember the Denver Bronco cornerback? I’m just more concerned about bringing to justice someone who killed a human. Or finding out who broke into Miami Heat forward Antoine Walker’s home, tied him up and robbed him at gunpoint."

But this is truth. No, I'm not saying send cops in ATL to CO and help out, but seriously, it's likely these crimes will never be solved. If no one cares, nothing gets done.

So many stars have beaten their SOs and it was forgotten in a week...this issue wouldn't be as huge if the sports world had anything else to talk about.

7/26/2007 2:46:35 PM

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"this issue wouldn't be as huge if the sports world had anything else to talk about."

^ I disagree. This would be a huge issue any time in the year, especially considering how polarizing of an athlete Vick is and how he really is the face of the NFL from a minority standpoint.

Call that racist or whatever, but it's the truth. It's not strictly what he was doing that makes this such big issue, but who was doing it.

I can promise you that If this were Jonathan Ogden that was indicted of all of these charges, it wouldnt be one third of the story that it is.

Barry's home run chase, the NBA Ref scandal, the start of NFL training camp, Baseball's dog days and tightening on division races, the MLB trading deadline, etc, etc.

There are plenty of other stories out there, this is simply the biggest of them all from a fan's standpoint.


[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 2:57 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/26/2007 2:55:10 PM

^ Thanks for dodging the rest of the point.

It's hard to deny that there are equally disgusting crimes against PEOPLE that would never get this attention.

7/26/2007 3:00:26 PM

figured he would get rid of the dreds

7/26/2007 3:11:41 PM