Would you mind demonstrating. I constantly tell people i see color artificats on dlps (a well known condition) and they dont believe me. I can understand the scrutiny.

I can provide the tracks. Its going to be tommy, ironic huh?

deaf dumb blind boy

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 6:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 6:52:36 PM

I happen to have Tommy on vinyl. But I live in Maryland...

12/4/2007 6:57:35 PM

i get 43 mpg in this hog

12/4/2007 9:30:22 PM

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"At this point in the game, you're absolutely right. See how liberating it can be to have an objective thought? You should try it sometime."

At this point in the game, its the same as in the beginning. I don't care what your opinion is. I like the PS3 for what it is, an in-expensive blu ray player with potential for awesome games. (Metal Gear Solid)

12/4/2007 9:49:20 PM

What the hell is

Quote :

"in-expensive"

?

12/4/2007 9:51:08 PM

< $300

12/4/2007 10:01:47 PM

^^did someone get lost on their way to chit chat? I think so!

12/4/2007 10:43:21 PM

To the guy that said he could differentiate play formats.

I have a pair of Sennheiser HD650's.

We'll go to best buy, grab a Denon receiver, and hook it up via optical to a computer.

I'll play 4 different music formats, of the same clip all encoded from the same source.

If you can correctly guess between the 'lossy' formats and the 'lossless' formats, you can keep my headphones.

If not then you're buying the Denon receiver for me.

12/4/2007 11:01:51 PM

What accuracy does he have to get it? Give him 50 trials. In each trial, play the lossless, then flip a coin, and on heads play the same lossless clip again, but on tails play a lossy encoding of the same clip. If he can correctly tell you if the second clip is lossy or lossless in 30 of the 50 trials, I'd say he wins. Lossless source audio should be 48khz 24-bit (which is what these HD movies usually have).

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 12:54 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 12:51:38 AM

^^ I'm pretty happy with the headphones I've got. And you don't buy Denon from Best Buy unless you want to pay too much. I got mine from a shop in Baltimore and through haggling got it knocked down to from $900 to $600.

If you guys are really interested and not just trolling, I can write out a guide on how to listen and what to listen for. If so, however, we should start a separate dedicated thread.

12/5/2007 8:08:20 AM

Why headphones? Most lossy formats (unless you are encoding them so high that they are nearly not lossy anymore) roll the bass and the upper end off. It's typically the low impact bass that alerts me first that I am listening to lossy, followed by the lack of airiness in the highs, followed by a too bright of a middle (sometimes).

You headies probably reproduce the middle and upper alright.

12/5/2007 8:13:04 AM

^^^^ Oh, and I didn't even notice you said optical hookup. That absolutely does not fly.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 8:17 AM. Reason : ]

12/5/2007 8:17:32 AM

so here's my question, not having the time to scroll through 20 pages...



is now the time to pick Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?



or should I stick to regular DVDs until the format war matures more?

12/5/2007 8:23:27 AM

Quote :

"is now the time to pick Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?"

to pick? no...while blu-ray has the lead, and may very well beat out hd-dvd, it's been mentioned time and time again that HDM represents a relatively minuscule percentage of the overall video market and the "war" isn't over...if you can, wait it out...you're not going to miss out on anything (a subjective viewpoint, i agree), but you'll have the ability to save money for when a format wins and hardware/media comes down to reasonable prices

Quote :

"or should I stick to regular DVDs until the format war matures more?"

if you have a decent upconverting dvd player, keep it and try not to stress out over the minute differences between an upconverted signal and true HD (though i suppose "minute" depends on your television...on my 37" LCD, it makes virtually no difference)

as it's been noted, unless you're willing to spend the (significant) amount of money required for a high(er)-end setup, it's relatively pointless right now (assuming you're not hung up on having the latest/greatest)

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 9:25 AM. Reason : spelling]

12/5/2007 9:23:52 AM

is it typical for hd dvd players to upconvert normal dvds??

12/5/2007 9:25:49 AM

Quote :

"To the guy that said he could differentiate play formats. I have a pair of Sennheiser HD650's. We'll go to best buy, grab a Denon receiver, and hook it up via optical to a computer. I'll play 4 different music formats, of the same clip all encoded from the same source. If you can correctly guess between the 'lossy' formats and the 'lossless' formats, you can keep my headphones. If not then you're buying the Denon receiver for me."

you can borrow my denon receiver

Quote :

"if you have a decent upconverting dvd player, keep it and try not to stress out over the minute differences between an upconverted signal and true HD"

LOL? seriously? you are missing out on HD content if you think upconverted dvd's look just as good as blu ray or hd dvd's in 1080p.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 9:38 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 9:36:49 AM

^ don't be a dick...i totally qualified that sentence by stating what i'm viewing on...i've SEEN the difference using a friend's ps3, and i'm not missing jack shit with the setup i've got...neither would anyone else

12/5/2007 10:09:32 AM

dont be a dick? you said upconverting dvd's look just as good as hd dvd/blu ray. 37" LCD does not give us enough info. Unless its a non-hd LCD you will see a difference. I used to have a 720p DLP that I could notice a huge difference between upconverting dvd's and hd dvd's.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 10:14 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 10:14:11 AM

So let me get this straight, you have to have optimal conditions for you to be able to tell the difference?

I don't think so. I guarantee that in 50 tries you'd score about roughly equal to someone randomly guessing. In fact, I wouldn't surprised that if we upped the tries to 100 you'd score slightly worse.

Chance, I chose headphones because they're easy to setup and these sennheisers are fairly neutral in their sound reproduction. They don't add any artificial warmth to music playback. As for lossy formats, most studio tracks by default have lower frequencies amplified in order to more thoroughly distinguish beat. Natural fidelity is generally discarded for loudness and this is one of the reasons that most Classical digital recordings are terrible(or so its been written, I don't have an ear for classical music).

12/5/2007 10:56:45 AM

Quote :

"To the guy that said he could differentiate play formats. I have a pair of Sennheiser HD650's. We'll go to best buy, grab a Denon receiver, and hook it up via optical to a computer. I'll play 4 different music formats, of the same clip all encoded from the same source. If you can correctly guess between the 'lossy' formats and the 'lossless' formats, you can keep my headphones. If not then you're buying the Denon receiver for me. "

the problem with that statement is you went to best buy i don't know of one in Raleigh with a magnolia (i could be wrong though) which means you're still using shit for a receiver.
and i haven't listened to your headphones but on my system i went back and re-ripped my mp3s to a much higher bit rate and there is a difference.

It also depends on the source too, and if its something like metal or rap or even alot of alternative you won't know the difference. The main recordings i can tell a difference with are GOOD live recordings (not the ones that sound like someone threw a mic on stage and hit record) acoustic music and some techno (nin daftpunk etc.)

In movies it is things like creaking boards, area effects and some voice recordings (typically soft female/ child voices) where you can tell a difference.

and congrats on having $350 headphones we're happy for you.

I'd take your bet if we used my equipment and you bought me something when i won.
like a jl fathom

the intro to ROBOTS would be a good one to use... you can tell a difference there.
steven still's tree top flier is also a good one.

and i agree general cd recordings are junk... and if it says digitally remastered it means "we fucked this up before we gave it to you"
honestly well kept records are one of my favorite things to listen to.


[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 11:12 AM. Reason : your other post wasn't made when i started my rant.]

12/5/2007 11:07:24 AM

I didn't buy a denon. "we'll go to best buy" is present tense ie: hasn't happened yet.

I don't actually care what the receiver is, honestly, as most mid range receivers have acceptable headphone playback.

Actually, we could even use a laptop as a source and run it through a proper head amp and be pretty much equal.

I only chose denon and best buy because it would be easy to return the equipment afterwards.

12/5/2007 11:22:46 AM

Quote :

"the problem with that statement is you went to best buy i don't know of one in Raleigh with a magnolia (i could be wrong though) which means you're still using shit for a receiver."

crabtree mall's best buy has a Magnolia. Hell, their tv stands that look similar to any other tv stand cost $texas.

12/5/2007 11:27:23 AM

^that's what i was going to say. you can buy an open item receiver as well if you wanted.

12/5/2007 11:28:05 AM

Their TV stands are BDI which tends to have stuff 10x as expensive as everyone else.

Saying their similar to the cheap stuff is a bit miss leading though. If you do a side by side comparison, its pretty easy to tell which one is better quality. Not 10x better quality, but the designs are pretty contemporary and its hard finding stuff like that in NC.

12/5/2007 11:40:32 AM

Quote :

"I don't care what your opinion is"

is that why you're constantly trying to bash it?


and here's an interesting read for those that think think HD-DVD's 30GB is plenty of storage:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/05/format-war-interactivity-vs-hd-supplements/

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 11:47 AM. Reason : d]

12/5/2007 11:44:50 AM

i'm always think thinking.

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"Saying their similar to the cheap stuff is a bit miss leading though. If you do a side by side comparison, its pretty easy to tell which one is better quality. Not 10x better quality, but the designs are pretty contemporary and its hard finding stuff like that in NC."

I should have been more clear. I was referring to the over all design has similarities. But i'm sure the material quality and craftsmanship is better.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 11:53:07 AM

^^

Quote :

"The other big difference enabled by Blu-ray's additional capacity is an extensive list of foreign language surround sound tracks and sub-titles "

Holy shit, I've always wanted to know how to cast spells in foreign languages!!!!!! /fag

12/5/2007 11:55:20 AM

^lol.

My one complaint with DVD's in general and i guess HD DVD's is their limited selection of sub-titles and voice overs. My gf's parents don't speak english so I either have to have sub titles in Italian/Portuguese or voice overs. But only 1 movie I've seen has had Italian and 1 has had Portuguese.

12/5/2007 11:58:27 AM

Considering you're buying region 1 DVD's most likely, I'm not surprised. While they could probably fit more languages (at least the subtitles) on a DVD or HD-DVD, that would kind of defeat the control that region codes give studios. Gotta love those consumer loving studios.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 12:19 PM. Reason : ]

12/5/2007 12:19:11 PM

HD DVD lacks region codes.

So talk to Sony about being consumer friendly .

12/5/2007 12:42:55 PM

Hah so is it just a space issue then? I mean I can understand not being able to fit on the alternate audio tracks, but there's no real excuse for not having subtitles.

Amusingly enough, a lot of the studios aren't really utilizing blu-ray's region coding anyways. It looks like a lot of region A discs are actually able to be played in region B players. Not surprised that Sony is worse than the median as far as company's respecting consumer rights goes. Then again, a lot of the not-so-regional region A and B discs are actually released by Sony. Do they even know what their own policies and strategies are?

http://bluray.liesinc.net/



[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ]

12/5/2007 12:45:21 PM

Quote :

"dont be a dick? you said upconverting dvd's look just as good as hd dvd/blu ray. 37" LCD does not give us enough info. Unless its a non-hd LCD you will see a difference. I used to have a 720p DLP that I could notice a huge difference between upconverting dvd's and hd dvd's."

no wonder people don't like you...your reading comprehension is awful

1.) i said "minute differences" and then qualified minute...this is not the same as saying that an upconverted signal and HD are the same thing, no matter what you assumed

2.) it's a 720p 37" vizio that my roommate bought...i'm glad you think you know what the picture is on a tv you don't own, but i'm here to tell you that with the hardware i'm using, i see only minute differences between the upconverted dvd and the blu-ray ps3 signal

i called you a dick because of your INTENTIONAL misinterpretation of what i said...nowhere did i say "1080p blu-ray or hd-dvd is the same as an upconverted dvd signal!!!1"...if it wasn't intentional, then you're an idiot...take your pick

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 1:08 PM. Reason : /]

12/5/2007 1:03:21 PM

Quote :

"is it typical for hd dvd players to upconvert normal dvds??"

12/5/2007 1:21:49 PM

^i think so

12/5/2007 1:55:06 PM

^yes. upconversion on any player* will be standard.

*that plays high definition movies

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 1:59 PM. Reason : *]

12/5/2007 1:57:28 PM

Quote :

" no wonder people don't like you...your reading comprehension is awful 1.) i said "minute differences" and then qualified minute...this is not the same as saying that an upconverted signal and HD are the same thing, no matter what you assumed 2.) it's a 720p 37" vizio that my roommate bought...i'm glad you think you know what the picture is on a tv you don't own, but i'm here to tell you that with the hardware i'm using, i see only minute differences between the upconverted dvd and the blu-ray ps3 signal i called you a dick because of your INTENTIONAL misinterpretation of what i said...nowhere did i say "1080p blu-ray or hd-dvd is the same as an upconverted dvd signal!!!1"...if it wasn't intentional, then you're an idiot...take your pick"

hey dumbass, you said "37" LCD. Does that tell us ANYTHING about your setup? no. STFU

second, HD DVD/Blu Ray will look better than upconverted signals on any HD TV. regardless of what shitty brand you bought. There is only so much you can do to a standard definition signal.

third, no one knows WTF you are and we don't care.

reading comprehension 101 FTW.

12/5/2007 2:04:36 PM

Quote :

"hey dumbass, you said "37" LCD. Does that tell us ANYTHING about your setup? no. STFU second, HD DVD/Blu Ray will look better than upconverted signals on any HD TV. regardless of what shitty brand you bought. There is only so much you can do to a standard definition signal. third, no one knows WTF you are and we don't care. reading comprehension 101 FTW."

you're right, it tells you nothing about my setup, which is specifically why your idiotic assumptions are retarded...you assumed you knew what you were talking about and (surprise!) you don't

again...really, this is the last time, so read carefully - i never said upconverted dvd would look BETTER or even EQUAL TO hd...how much more simply can i put it? you really should try reading the words on the screen instead of listening to the voices in your head

no one know what the fuck i am? well...i would assume they'd guess i was a human being, but as you've deftly proven, even a monkey can type, even if his grammar is awful

12/5/2007 2:08:03 PM

Quote :

"you're right, it tells you nothing about my setup, which is specifically why your idiotic assumptions are retarded...you assumed you knew what you were talking about and (surprise!) you don't"

I'll say this one more time. STFU and read. Doesn't matter what shit can tv you have. HD > SD unconverted.

theend

12/5/2007 2:10:02 PM

Quote :

"HD > SD unpconverted."

where do i say otherwise, monkey?

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 2:10:34 PM

^hey look, a monky can type. Look at me I owned you I called you a monkey HAHA!





[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 2:13 PM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 2:12:39 PM

You are an annoying cunt.

12/5/2007 2:13:29 PM

^^ i suppose that response means you realized that you're making things up again? gotcha.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 2:13:55 PM

I suppose you are making things up again since you are typing.



I just won the internet, might as well change my name to chance.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 2:17 PM. Reason : .]

12/5/2007 2:17:13 PM

Bobby, can you suspend this piece of shit? He needs to sit in time out for awhile.

12/5/2007 2:20:58 PM

Quote :

"^hey look, a monky can type. Look at me I owned you I called you a monkey HAHA! "

hahahahaha

does anyone have an a2 for sale, lolz

12/5/2007 2:23:56 PM

A top rate upconverting player is going to make certain scenes between HD disks and non HD disks similar. Its also going to utterly butcher other scenes. YMMV.

All in all though I think the future of HD programming lays in On Demand, that is, downloading HD video files directly from a source. We currently don't have much in the way of an infrastructure for this but the ultimate ease of ordering something and immediately getting it from your own living room is going to trump both HD DVD and Blu Ray.

12/5/2007 2:34:07 PM

^That's been out for a long time, and anyone with a digital cable box can do it. It never really took off, because the content expires.

12/5/2007 2:47:24 PM

In the future, cars will fly and everyone wears black.

12/5/2007 3:00:42 PM

I'm not talking about the cable on demand stuff(which, btw, is pretty useful actually).

Have more vision.

I'm talking about content on demand.

The new systems proposed don't have expiring content, you own what you download.

12/5/2007 3:01:23 PM

Download once and store it locally, or download any time you want to watch it?

12/5/2007 3:11:10 PM