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"than another candidate might get who happens to be a male?""

that what the rhetorical I was refusing

who is this candidate you speak of? That is a huge variable. Anyway, I've been through this already.

4/22/2008 2:17:04 PM

the difference between those two questions is very minor. they are different. but the implication of the questions is almost exactly the same.

4/22/2008 2:18:54 PM

some females are voting for her because she's a woman, but I can't say that if hillary was a man in some parallel universe she'd get less of the female vote.

4/22/2008 2:23:53 PM

I agree that blacks and youths will vote in larger proportions than past elections. However, the number of people Obama has alienated far outweighs this number.

All things considered, Hillary has a better shot at beating McCain head-to-head.

(let's not even get into the Nader factor which can steal as much as 5% of the democratic votes in any one state)

4/22/2008 3:46:49 PM

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"I agree that blacks and youths will vote in larger proportions than past elections. However, the number of people Obama has alienated far outweighs this number."

how do you figure?

4/22/2008 3:48:28 PM

There are too many factors against Obama right now. The republicans are going to pull every piece of dirt on him out in the open (unless Hillary does it first).

Obama was pulling away from Clinton a few weeks ago and remember what stopped him? Yes, the alienation of millions of white voters by the racist, anti-American Rev Wright.

Obama should have pulled away with the big upset against hillary months ago but can't seem to do so b/c of da revrund.

he couldn't win big and finally defeat her b/c thousands of voters (and probably all of middle white middle america turned on him last 2 weeks)

4/22/2008 3:50:18 PM

pretty much every poll disagrees with you.

4/22/2008 3:55:55 PM

Rev Wright is so racist!

4/22/2008 3:56:22 PM

OBAMA'S WINNIN BIG

4/22/2008 3:57:47 PM

4/22/2008 4:13:54 PM

^^your thesis was that wright has hurt obama's numbers. and certainly it did. but he has recovered to the levels pre-wright

4/22/2008 4:17:27 PM

hence the gigantic win today.

LET'S UNITE THE COUNTRY. except don't worry about uniting middle america and the roots of what makes this country work.

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2008 4:19:48 PM

whatever. he was behind by more than twenty points in this state pre-wright. most polls have him in single digits now (many low single digits)

not to mention that he won much of "middle america" earlier in the primaries.

[Edited on April 22, 2008 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2008 4:28:02 PM

haha chill out yall i'm just playin

gettin so serious. he's pretty much won. that's a given. i'd rather just start debating obama talking points

4/22/2008 4:32:40 PM

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"Man this is bullshit. From Philly.com: We continue to hear reports of broken machines. This tale was reported to the Daily News by a very patient voter: "I just came from voting. Finally got my vote in at 49 ward, 07 division....after waiting for (the only) 2 voting machines to be repaired. "I was able to cast my vote for Obama after waiting 1 and 1/2 hours. During that time at least 100 voters left without voting.....possibly not to return. "I immediately called every News channel I could get through to. Persons who answered at the stations informed me that my ward was not the only one with broken machines and 'Paper ballots (as an alternative) without Obama's name on it. These provisional ballots did have Hiliary's name on them." "

I agree, it does sound like bullshit.

4/22/2008 5:17:20 PM

i support obama cause i heard president bush has his lowest approval rating ever now

4/22/2008 7:28:00 PM

what does that have to do with anything?

4/22/2008 8:13:31 PM

I have a question about all this universal health care.

I have heard that we don't have the infrastructure for everyone to have health care. An example would be Canadian women coming into the US to have kids because their hospitals are full.

Is this a big concern, and/or do any of the candidates address this?

4/22/2008 9:25:34 PM

^Its a shit idea. Just look at the VA system. As to your question:

According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[38] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care.[39]
When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.[40] He died a few years later.

In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[41] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states, "There was no room at any other Canadian neonatal intensive care unit."[42]

Champion figure skater Audrey Williams needed a hip replacement. Even though she waited two years and suffered in pain, she still did not get the surgery, because the waiting list was so long. So she went to the US and spent her own money to get the surgery.[43]

A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe And Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [44]


BEU, just use your common sense. Do you want the group that brings you FEMA, DMV, and USPS handling your healthcare?

4/22/2008 10:14:22 PM

let's not forget Social Security and Medicare

4/22/2008 10:15:18 PM

I was just warming up.. But since you mentioned those, universal healthcare is just another unsustainable program our govt cant afford... but politicians throw out there for ignorant voters to drool over.

4/22/2008 10:20:43 PM

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"I have heard that we don't have the infrastructure for everyone to have health care. An example would be Canadian women coming into the US to have kids because their hospitals are full."

i call bullshit on that.

4/22/2008 10:30:21 PM

yeah, i don't know if that would be a problem

there are plenty of other reasons i don't want it, though

4/22/2008 10:37:39 PM

Bullshit?

"Ash's hospital couldn't handle the high-risk pregnancy. Doctors searched for another hospital bed, but even hospitals in Vancouver, B.C. didn't have a neo-natal bed."

http://www.komotv.com/news/10216201.html


There are many examples of canadians being FLOWN to the US to give birth bc they dont have room in canada.

4/22/2008 10:39:24 PM

i can't wait for the gov't to control the hospitals one day. maybe they'll get the oil industry and solve the gas price problem too. why not control the airlines and car industry to so we can all drive a prius and have cheap airline tickets. and government, please give the poor more free money until they feel "included" in main stream society and don't feel rejected anymore, b/c honestly, it's all my fault and i need to pay more taxes for them to feel more included for all the evil things i did to them. and lastly, force us to unify as a people mr. gov't. make a new definition for marriage for us. gay marriage? that's it? let's not stop there. why not 2 or 3 partners. what we can't? oh and since you feel like you can already control who can come in this world (abortion), why do you mr. government feel so aweful when it comes time to take people out of this world for things like murder or rape? (death penalty)

in conclusion: we all want more gov't. they do everything right. and obama at the helm, he will save this nation with all of his charm and good looks and sincere personality.

that's why i support obama

/sarcasm

ps: reality check for me: i really hope he doesn't screw the nation up. it's pretty fragile right now and i hope he does a good job as president, b/c it's pretty much set in stone he'll be the next one.

4/23/2008 1:37:40 AM

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"ps: reality check for me: i really hope he doesn't screw the nation up. it's pretty fragile right now and i hope he does a good job as president, b/c it's pretty much set in stone he'll be the next one. "

It's not set in stone, at least not at this point.

It'll be a close race though.

4/23/2008 1:44:18 AM

eh, honestly none of the 3 candidates impress me. what really irkes me is how this generation of college students is endorsing obama so blindly. and they get off on hating on mccain/hillary or anybody else remotely close to the center of the isle politically.

watching other young students and others of my peers state the reasons why they will vote for him make me at the future of the nation

4/23/2008 1:47:01 AM

Rat, its funny when you ask an obama supporter what he has accomplished. You will no doubt be attacked after 5 seconds of blank stare.

Anyone else find it ironic that the group SO passionate about supporting Obama and hating any republican, blindly, is endorsing the only party that has a system in place to actually take away the nomination from what hte people have choosen? If obama was republican and won, he would get to keep the nomination..none of this superdelegate BS. Im not sure they will, but the DNC has the power to pick someone different than the people have voted for... But thats what you get from that party, a few elitist that feel that they know better than the people..and this is one classic example.

4/23/2008 8:01:02 AM

Your blind generalizations really don't help your case any eyedrb. Neither does the fact that you're a partisan tool.

4/23/2008 8:13:53 AM

^^Which explains why the united states is a republic, right? Damn those elitist founding fathers!!!

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 8:14 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 8:13:59 AM

LOL, you kids.

Ok answer me this simple question. Can a relative few people, almost 800, trump the will of the people and choose a different nominee for the democratic ticket?

4/23/2008 8:21:52 AM

They should not be able to, no. I've always believed in the popular vote. Superdelegates/electoral college is not democratic. But neither is 'winner-get-all' representation.

4/23/2008 8:26:14 AM

yes. they can pull somebody in right now if they wanted. the DNC has a right to blow obama AND hillary off, all it takes is a name and a vote.

in fact i hope they do. this mess is getting out of hand. hell, bring back kerry or gore, both are better than these current trolls.

4/23/2008 8:26:57 AM

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"They should not be able to, no."

That wasnt my question monky. They DO have power to do that. You can bash me all you want, but here is a clear example of elitism. You have thier election system set up so that if 800 "leaders" dont like who the people pick, THEY can override it.

Sounds a little communist huh. "well despite the election results, its clear that millions have choosen Obama. We leaders feel you people are idiots and instead have choosen another candidate."

That system is actually in place.. Now will they use it? I doubt it.. but its there.

I dont like Mccain being the republican nominee, but there is no doubt that is who the majority elected. Seems fair to me. I dont like it, but its fair.

4/23/2008 8:40:34 AM

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"That wasnt my question monky."

You asked a question you already knew the answer to, which is tantamount to blowing smoke out your ass, congratulations. I was adding my opinion to a widely known answer.

4/23/2008 8:43:42 AM

Well there is a big difference between what they should be able to do and what they do do.

You said my opinion was full of blind generalizations... then I provided the basis on which it was formed, which is a fact. You talk of blowing smoke outta my ass, but at least my head isnt stuck up it.

Of course I knew the answer to the question. I was asking YOU and skokiaan the question. Just because you dont like the answer doesnt give you reason to attack someone.

4/23/2008 8:53:09 AM

You must be the most paranoid/defensive person on TSB, next to hooksaw. You always think people are after you.

You ask:

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" Ok answer me this simple question. Can a relative few people, almost 800, trump the will of the people and choose a different nominee for the democratic ticket?"

This question has been addressed only about 100 times on TSB so it is implied that you're asking for discussion, rather than an answer, unless you have some retarded form of memory loss which makes you unable to remember things like this.

I respond:

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"They should not be able to, no. I've always believed in the popular vote. Superdelegates/electoral college is not democratic. But neither is 'winner-get-all' representation."

Fairly straightforward opinion, I attack you nowhere in it. Yet you write:

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" That wasnt my question monky. They DO have power to do that. You can bash me all you want"

I don't think I even came close to 'bashing' you in my post.

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"You said my opinion was full of blind generalizations"

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" You asked a question you already knew the answer to, which is tantamount to blowing smoke out your ass, congratulations. I was adding my opinion to a widely known answer. "

Could not find that statement anywhere in my recent posts on this thread.

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"I was asking YOU and skokiaan the question. Just because you dont like the answer doesnt give you reason to attack someone."

So you're assuming that I don't know the answer to something I've written about extensively on here? I didn't attack you until you started saying 'wahh, you can make fun of me but i have this opinion! you didn't answer my question.' You were asking for a fight, don't pretend otherwise. If you weren't you would have accepted my opinion along with the known answer and added commentary, not defensive posturing.

4/23/2008 9:00:48 AM

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"Your blind generalizations really don't help your case any eyedrb."

Sorry. i know my mind is retarded bc I dont recall the specific details of bullshit I read on here, but you posted this like 20 mins ago hoss. To a statement that is backed by logic and fact. You took offense that I used the word elitist, i assume. However, what is a better word to describe the fact that 800 people can pick someone else if they dont like who the people have choosen? As if they know better.

Monky, you gave a good opinion about what you believe. But thats just not what the party you support does in electing its nomination. Im sorry I see the conflict in that. If I came off as attacking you, I apologize. Its hard interpret tone on message boards.

4/23/2008 9:08:17 AM

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"Rat, its funny when you ask an obama supporter what he has accomplished. You will no doubt be attacked after 5 seconds of blank stare."

I was referring to your sweeping generalizations of Obama supporters. Because obviously every statesman that has supported Obama recently is completely swept up in a fervor and has thrown away all of their life experiences and been thrown into a fascist-like trance.

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"But thats just not what the party you support does in electing its nomination."

I've stated several times that I don't support the 'party' but I support the candidate. There are reasons I don't support McCain, and there are reasons I don't prefer Clinton.

I've been on the record as saying I hate the current political system and think we should be setup on a more parliamentary basis. I detest 'winner takes all' mentality' that our system has pushed through and don't think that eliminating nearly half of the electorate is democratic at all.

4/23/2008 9:15:55 AM

yes. the Democratic National Convention at any moments notice could nominate a new candidate of their own choice without support of the people

supahdelahgahtes

4/23/2008 9:22:16 AM

Everyone running for president is elitist! So one candidate calling another out for being an elitist is just stupid retarded what has come to be American-style politics.

Can you imaging walking down the street with anyone, then them stopping, looking around, and saying "You know what? ALL THIS SHIT. I WANT TO RUN ALL THIS SHIT!"

Running for president is elitist in itself, as it should be, always has been, and always will be.

4/23/2008 10:13:38 AM

not Obama...he isn't an elitist...he is for the people...he is for change

4/23/2008 10:19:56 AM

Obama supporters take heart..

What was a 10.5% win in demographically friendly Ohio has become an 8.6% win in similar Pennsylvania, except the state was even less black and with a much smaller youth voter population (Pennsylvania's seniors accounted for 32 percent of the electorate, compared to 23 percent in Ohio).

- Those gains were made despite the Wright controversy as well as manufactured bullshit about "bitter" and flag pins and whatnot.

- Obama has had to run against Hillary Clinton, against former President of the United States Bill Clinton (who makes nearly friggin 10 stops a day for her), the Clinton brand at large, and against John McCain and the entire GOP apparatus, which has trained its guns on Obama hoping to give Clinton a boost.

- Had to run against the entire PA institution of Rendell, Nutter, and the local dem machine that was in the tank and working hard for Hillary. That's worth more than TV ads any day.

- Yet he continues to gain among most of Clinton's best demographics (he cut into 60+, white males, and women) and he is still raising more money, leads comfortably in delegates, leads comfortably in the popular vote, leads in states won, leads in the national polls, and does better in the head-to-head matchups against McCain.

But Clinton is working the refs and it's really just a free ride and ratings boost for the mainstream media. Woo hoo.

So why should the supers spark an intra-party civil war by overturning the will of the electorate again?

4/23/2008 10:28:44 AM

so what are you trying to say?

4/23/2008 10:36:20 AM

That Obama supporters should take heart. Umm, I put that at the top of my post.

4/23/2008 10:45:04 AM

http://bp0.blogger.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/SA9FfgktcMI/AAAAAAAAF5o/-86PZi-zkbs/s1600-h/Obamacrombie.jpg

lol gay men love Obama.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 10:46:24 AM

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"manufactured bullshit about "bitter""

manufactured by obama

4/23/2008 10:51:29 AM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/04/23/intv.parker.superdelegate.cnn

Listen starting at 3:52, or listen to the whole thing but pay special attention then.

"Howard Dean would have kittens if you did that"

It's nice having NC at the forefront of CNN and of democratic politics.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 5:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 5:41:32 PM

I support obama

but no to polygamy plz

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4678143&page=1

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 5:49:44 PM

i support obama cause most of the people that support him have a college education

4/23/2008 8:42:55 PM