Quote :

"Do you think the EFF may have an agenda in their statement? Do you accept their analysis as the unabashed truth?"

You know what would settle both of those issues? Reading the DoJ's affidavit. Which, incidentally, both the original article and I have both provided a link to.

Unless of course you're under the impression that somehow this is in dispute as well.

4/15/2009 11:18:20 PM

that brief is quite fucking scary.

it essentially says this:

Congress wrote a law.
we are breaking it, and we admit to breaking it.
but there is nothing you can do about it.

4/15/2009 11:58:58 PM

You forgot the part about, "Sovereign immunity, suckers!!1one"

4/15/2009 11:59:46 PM

i know, right?

Congress wrote a law. About the Government and what it can do.
we, the government, are breaking that law, and we pretty much admit it.
But, you can't sue us. Cause we're the Government.

4/16/2009 12:13:11 AM

Quote :

"the sole surviving Somali pirate from the hostage-taking of an American ship captain — is a world away in New York City to face what are believed to be the first piracy charges in the United States in more than a century. ...the teen's mother, Adar Abdirahman Hassan, 40, told The Associated Press "He was brainwashed. People who are older than him outwitted him, people who are older than him duped him." She said he was "wise beyond his years" — a child who ignored other boys his age who tried to tease him and got lost in books instead."

Sounds like the Obama story.

4/21/2009 2:15:17 PM

OR THE STORY OF ABRAHAM MOSES BATMAN

4/21/2009 2:28:33 PM

^^ aha, "wise beyond his years?" So "wise" that he was "brainwashed" and pushed around by other people? So "wise" that the only thing he could do was be a pirate? come on...

4/22/2009 6:26:41 PM

i'm not familiar with the part of obamas story in which he was a pirate

4/22/2009 11:03:24 PM

^ it was in the Arrr-dacity of hope.

im sorry.

4/22/2009 11:19:11 PM

KAL FUCKING EL

4/22/2009 11:24:10 PM

no, Dreams of my Faarrr-ther.

4/22/2009 11:25:00 PM

Quote :

"Let's look at the first 100 days of the GOP. The new public spokesmen for the minority opposition are polarizing retreads -- former Vice President Dick Cheney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. The so-called new ideas are fewer taxes and less spending. They have lost a key congressional election. They have almost unanimously opposed every economic proposal in Congress. "

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/borger.gop/index.html

What a great IDEA cheney. Since as the #2 guy in the last administration you did such a GREAT job executing the "less spending" ideal. All those numbers showing record deficit spending is all silly stuff filled with liberal lies!

4/29/2009 8:07:34 AM

As usual...Obama had no knowledge that $328,800 in taxpayer money was wasted on taking picture's of Obama's private jumbo jet flying around the statue of liberty.

Seems he is never informed about the stupid/wasteful things occurring during his regime.

The first 100 days of soft-tyranny. Why does he have to waste more money flying to St. Louis just to blow his own horn?

4/29/2009 10:50:52 AM

^ you should probably just start posting at The Brickyard over at Packpride.. seems like you'd fit in there

4/29/2009 11:11:54 AM

That 'Private Jumbo Jet' is Air Force.

Of course, don't let the fact that your country owns it get in the way if your ranting.

Country first...except when you disagree right?

4/29/2009 11:28:51 AM

....

i think he's pissed that 1/3 mill was spent on PHOTOS


I'm pissed about that too... and so should you.

4/29/2009 12:08:00 PM

do you understand how much money is "wasted" everyday by military pilots? i'd guess you have less than a clue.

300K is a drop in the bucket. ocean. shit i'm sure they fly both air force ones every fucking day. not only do the pilots have to stay current, the airplane needs to fly to stay "up." aircraft sitting in a hangar tend to find reasons to stay down.

[Edited on April 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2009 5:29:08 PM

Well I think that settles it. There is little hope for us when people will justify ANY stupid action. Comparing a classified photo op costing 300k and panic as you buzz building in NYC to some kind of military training needed to keep the upkeep on a plane is very disappointing.

The govt is going to ask us all to make it with less money as they take more of your income, yet piss it away on this kind of STUPID.. BS. Why not use photoshop, whats a copy of that cost? Or better yet, take the picture while you are already flying somewhere. Or BETTER yet, use the fucking old pictures. Because no one really gives a shit. Im not sitting waiting for the mailman to deliver my new air force one poster with the backgroud of NYC. The 300k to take these pictures came from taxpayers or worse..BORROWED.

4/29/2009 8:15:27 PM

Gotta go with the eyedoc on this one, there is really no reason that they couldn't photoshop that.

However, the conspiracy theorist side of me wonders if they weren't up to something else with this whole stunt from the nefarious (like actually testing some first alert system somewhere) to something less so but classified nonetheless.

4/29/2009 8:18:35 PM

Quote :

"There is little hope for us when people will justify ANY stupid action. Comparing a classified photo op costing 300k and panic as you buzz building in NYC to some kind of military training needed to keep the upkeep on a plane is very disappointing."

terrific reading comprehension. i'm not attempting to JUSTIFY buzzing NYC.

the previous poster mentioned money and money only. to be upset about 300K is completely disingenuous when you consider what i mentioned.

everyone should be upset about how utterly stupid buzzing NYC was.

Quote :

"take the picture while you are already flying somewhere."

like i said, this was probably the case. these pilots fly almost EVERYDAY to keep current. when a pilot flies ANYWHERE for ANYTHING (even a photo-op) it's a valuable mission for training purposes, etc. especially if it's the aircrew of AF1. in fact, the USAF released this statement about the cost:

Quote :

"Air Force officials estimated the cost for the photo shoot mission to be around $328,835, stating that, "the hours would have been flown regardless, and the expenses would have been accrued on a different mission"."

Quote :

"there is really no reason that they couldn't photoshop that"

agreed. and i'm not defending buzzing NYC. merely pointing out that to get bent out of shape about 300K for flying AF1 is retarded.


[Edited on April 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2009 8:19:24 PM

this coming from the same crowd that literally shat a brick when they photoshopped a flag into the background of that woman general last year

4/29/2009 8:31:04 PM

no one has any idea what the hell you are talking about when you keep making your comments. It's pretty damn obvious you're hoping that the topics you're pointing out was covered in TSB, but this is the second time today you've said some shit that simply wasn't even discussed here. Did you get laid off recently, is that why you out of the blue have all this free time now to troll the wolf web? You're about 2 years too late.

4/29/2009 8:38:08 PM

Quote :

"everyone should be upset about how utterly stupid buzzing NYC was."

this i can definitely agree on, especially if the general public was not made aware of what would be happening.

4/30/2009 12:55:35 PM

5/7/2009 10:47:56 AM

Quote :

"President Obama on Thursday offered a more detailed look at his 2010 budget proposal, which includes recommendations to cut funding for 121 federal programs and save $17 billion in 2010. "There is a lot of money being spent inefficiently, ineffectively, and -- in some cases -- in ways that are actually pretty stunning," Obama said. "

OH NO'S OBAMA IS CUTTING SPENDING
oh wait a sec....

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/07/news/economy/obama_budget_details/index.htm?postversion=2009050710

I can already see the republican response

"Obama with his latest budget info releases has announced and irresponsible spending cut in which 50% of the $17 billion is coming from defense programs! This merely proves that Obama is a big pussy and wants to turn over this country to the terrorists leaving us open to attack!"

5/7/2009 11:50:22 AM

My response is why is he bragging about cutting .5% of the budget.

And then come out and say this bullshit

"We can no longer afford to spend as if deficits don't matter and waste is not our problem," he said. "We can no longer afford to leave the hard choices for the next budget, the next administration -- or the next generation."

I guess it does make sense. He doesnt want people to be able to make thier own choices in the next admin or next generation.. but surely expect them to pay the tab for his admin. LOL, he is a joke. I cant wait until people start realizing this.

5/7/2009 11:56:07 AM

You can applaud spendings cuts anywhere they happen (almost) but 17 billion is pissing in the ocean compared to everything else they've done to save the asses of the Wall Street fuckups. Like I really give a shit about the 17 billion cut when 12.9 was taken out of our tax asses and funneled via AIG to Goldman to make their obligation whole.

5/7/2009 11:58:02 AM

Quote :

"OBAMA IS CUTTING SPENDING"

yeah let's see how Congress handles his proposals before we all get boners over a fractional percent budget cut

5/7/2009 11:59:49 AM

I agree failboat. This is just the budget here at 3.5T which doesnt include all the bailout/stim BS. And they are spinning this fucking 17Billion like they just discovered cold fusion.

5/7/2009 12:01:09 PM

Quote :

"Thus far, I see nothing to indicate a reversal of the arrogance of power for which George W. Bush was rightfully criticized, and which was a principal reason for Obama’s having been elected to the presidency. The empty slogans of "change" and "hope" were largely interpreted by most Americans as "anybody but Bush!" But with Obama’s continuation – and escalation – of the war system; his inconstant positions on torture; the continuing insistence on governmental secrecy; his urging of the Supreme Court to overturn an earlier decision restricting police interrogations unless a suspect’s lawyer is present; and his uninterrupted efforts to further socialize the economy – all of which were vigorously undertaken by Mr. Bush – it is apparent that his campaign promise of "change" had nothing to do with the destructive policies he had inherited from the previous reign. -- Butler Shaffer"

Obama has taken the baton from Bush and is sprinting to the "America is Finished" line.

5/9/2009 1:01:33 AM

yes yes we know

don't worry, we'll all be off to the gas chambers shortly

and you'll be waving the flag

[Edited on May 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM. Reason : don't forget to change the parrot's paper before you go]

5/9/2009 9:55:29 AM

All I got to say is when Clinton passed the baton to W he beat himself up with it.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : w]

5/10/2009 3:00:27 PM

Here is the visual...

5/10/2009 4:23:55 PM

what's the point of that graph?

5/10/2009 4:53:20 PM

^ Bush and Obama are different?

And is that graph for all 8 years of Bush?

5/10/2009 5:00:09 PM

Hah, yeah, great graph. No details as to how long those numbers stretch (are those just bush's first year in office? His last?) There's no realistic way to compare the two. Even if you did compare Obama's first budget to one of Bush's, there'd be no way to really compare them. There are different circumstances for each.

It's ridiculous.

From the actual blog post the graph is from:

Quote :

"Some observations: * President Bush proposed $6.6 B (57%) more in discretionary program terminations and reductions than President Obama. * Three-fourths of President Obama’s T&R savings come from defense. * President Bush proposed 6.7 times more non-defense T&R savings than President Obama. (= 18.1 ÷ 2.7) Now this graph covers only the proposed savings from annually appropriated (“discretionary”) programs. The bulk of federal spending is in the mandatory programs. I will cover that separately. Today the President said, “But these savings, large and small, add up.” It’s too bad they don’t add up to more."

http://keithhennessey.com/2009/05/07/budget-baby-terminator/

These are comparisons between Obama's first budget and Bush's last.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/USbudget/fy09/pdf/savings.pdf

I think more research into the details of this is necessary, not to mention some sort of graph-making skills assessment for Keith Hennessey. I know, I know, ad hominem.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2009 5:29:23 PM

Jesus Christ, are you people incapable of even reading? The answer is right on top of the graph:

Quote :

"Proposed discretionary savings: Bush v. Obama Bush #s are for his last budget, for FY09"

We've got some real winners posting in this forum, apparently.

5/10/2009 7:03:27 PM

^LOL

5/10/2009 7:54:50 PM

You're right. I am a winner. I missed that though, my B. Anyway, so that's totally fair, but it doesn't invalidate the rest of my points, which add up to that graph meaning basically nothing, except that republicans like to cut government programs, which everyone already obviously knows.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 9:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2009 9:23:11 PM

Quote :

" Anyway, so that's totally fair, but it doesn't invalidate the rest of my points, which add up to that graph meaning basically nothing, except that republicans like to cut government programs, which everyone already obviously knows."

O RLY? So why then did we oversee the largest increases in spending during Bush's 8 years since LBJ? And before some Republican hops on my back - this includes before the Democrats took control of Congress, and non-military, discretionary spending as well.

So it seems our standard narrative is a little broken.

5/10/2009 10:00:18 PM

1.8 Trillion dollar deficit this year. 4 times the 2008 record deficit. NOw there is some change you can believe in.

5/11/2009 1:26:21 PM

I heard on the radio this morning that the Obama administration is threatening to take back several billions of stimulus dollars from California if they dont rescind salary cuts they enacted to home health care workers.

Now one could make several assumptions on Obama's motives but that sounds unconstitutional.

[Edited on May 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM. Reason : asd]

5/11/2009 5:49:58 PM

the obama administration claims that this cut would violate the terms of the stimulus bill. (something about state cuts in budget that would have to be covered by the counties within the state). i don't really know enough about the bill to know if that's legit. it's certainly something that the state worker's union in california was pushing for.

5/11/2009 5:58:11 PM

Quote :

"1.8 Trillion dollar deficit this year. 4 times the 2008 record deficit."

And that wouldn't have anything to do with plunging tax receipts from from an economy that is shrinking at 6%+, now would it?

Quote :

"NOw there is some change you can believe in."

Are we going to have to listen to this joke for the next 3.5 years? I think it was played out by, oh, January 22. No, actually - i think I had heard it a couple dozen times by mid November last year.

5/11/2009 6:21:15 PM

^ When you run your entire campaign on "change", and then continue or make worse some of the worst policies of your predecessor ...

5/11/2009 6:43:48 PM

Quote :

"And that wouldn't have anything to do with plunging tax receipts from from an economy that is shrinking at 6%+, now would it?"

Considering that Obama's new spending exceeds a trillion dollars, we can be sure that at least most of the deficit was of his own making.

5/11/2009 6:54:52 PM

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/may/judicial-watch-forces-release-bank-bailout-documents

Quote :

""These documents show our government exercising unrestrained power over the private sector. Despite promises of transparency, the Obama administration tried to cover up the very existence of these smoking-gun documents. And the cover-up continues, as the Obama administration protects Timothy Geithner by withholding a key document about his role in this infamous bankers meeting," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "

Withholding documents? Is that you in there Comrade Bush, are you now decked out in blackface and learned had to ball and dance?

Does he really have much credibility left, at all?

[Edited on May 14, 2009 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

5/14/2009 12:10:58 AM

So, are we going to vindicate FoxNews now for reporting months ago that banks were forced to accept TARP money?

Quote :

"Fail Boat: Are you kidding? By most measures, the top 5-10 (some say 20) are insolvent under GAAP and M2M accounting rules. These are the banks that are deemed too big to fail. Look at the TARP money that they were given - well over $1 billion. You have to go down the TARP list to around the 23 financial institution - excluding the automakers, American Express and 1 or 2 others - to find a TARP payout less than 1 billion like mentioned in that opine. I am very suspicious that a regional player was forced into taking TARP under any nefarious guise as mentioned in this piece. I can see a scenario where there was a preliminary audit or suspicion that the regional player was stressed and had the money forced on them, but a prominent and profitable one? gtfo"

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=556098&page=19#12793439
^ Care to eat that crow now?

5/14/2009 12:21:28 AM

[Obama's car czar Steven] Rattner's Quadrangle Under Investigation In Kickback Scam

http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-rattner-2009-4

Developing. . . .

5/14/2009 3:34:40 AM

^^ I'm not up to date on my tarp recipient list, which regional players were on there? Admittedly, I severely underestimated the games played by Geithner under the rule of GS, but I still have disagreements with what was stated in that opine.

5/14/2009 6:56:45 AM